[Closed] Have you ever been to a restaurant where...

cafetiere?

Are you living in the 1980's?

Ah, you kids with your fancy lingo... what are you calling it these days?

In a restaurant the coffee comes in a cup from the espresso machine

[i]or did I just eat at pretension central[/i]

Yup.

In a restaurant the coffee comes in a cup from the espresso machine

Not in this restaurant... I'm told a cafetière and an egg timer adds that extra touch of class...

Ah, you kids with your fancy lingo... what are you calling it these days?

fizzypop

Have you ever been to a restaurant

No. Sit-down Greggs once, but found it awfully high-falutin.

did I just eat at pretension central

Yes.

Also, I thought that in a restaurant [i]you[/i] paid [i]them[/i] to make you a coffee ... I've never been told to finish doing their job for them

Worst of all, the egg timer that came with the [i]fizzypop tech[/i] wasn't even a fancy one. Old, chipped wood. Demerit on the pretension stakes right there, I'd say.

yes and id annoyed me,but not enough to start a thread. I did think that if they thought it so important they should have waited that extra minute before bringing the coffee out.

surprised they let you plunge at all tbh.

my experience with them is that every 100th (or so) plunge the whole thing just seems to 'explode' and scalding coffee and grounds shoot out the top of the jug.

Being STW, surely this is seen as a good thing?

I don;t think I've ever managed to make a decent cup of coffee in a cafetiere . Stove top or drip filter things no problem. Either I've not got the knack or they don't make very good coffee. I either get weak coffee or cold coffee

A Cafeteria? With an egg timer?

Did you have a bacon and egg sarnie too??

Now that’s 1970’s.

Me thinks you ate in “Bills Caff/Gaff”

If you think it was pretentious, then it probably wasn’t. I think they were in all seriousness trying to be ironic, with an iconic twist.

Tell us about the location, I’d suggest we know already.

I don;t think I've ever managed to make a decent cup of coffee in a cafetiere . Stove top or drip filter things no problem. Either I've not got the knack or they don't make very good coffee. I either get weak coffee or cold coffee

Have you ever tried using an egg timer?

Tell us about the location, I’d suggest we know already.

Wasn't Knightsbridge... it was a half-timbered gaff in Cheshire. No irony intended, I reckon. Maybe fancy Southern ways haven't drifted this far north...

Did they make it with a lemon tweeeeest?

Cheshire

Ah, well, that confirms it. Pretension central without a doubt.

Apart from believing a cafetiere/egg-timer enhances the dining experience, Cheshirists also get immense sexual pleasure from shopping in John Lewis (I assume this, considering how excited they get just at the mere mention of it).

Most people would get dressed up for a night at the Theatre/Opera.
Some people do this just for an afternoon in John Lewis.

Then there's people like me bumbling around in my shorts and grubby trainers.

😀

I wonder if they had the egg timers custom made to the volumetric and thermal properties of the cafetiere combined with the perfectly controlled ambient temp and local barometric pressure ? ?

"a few seconds either way could seriously affect the ...." MY ARSE !

My local coffee shop tells you how many minutes to wait before pushing the plunger when you get one of those but the bloke behind the counter tells me the alternative is they would have several on the go behind the counter with timers to get the coffee right. That said, in a restaurant, I'd just expect a coffee rather than a precisely brewed cup with maximum flavour.

This place , popular with local pro. Football by any chance ?

Cheshire?

That’s in the North then..

Thought so.

Do McDonalds do coffee in “pots” these days.

That’s in the North then..

Thought so.

Do McDonalds do coffee in “pots” these days.

Your anti Northern bias offends me, Mr. Bouy. 🙄

To enhance your understanding of our fine region, I attach this promotional photo of queuing Northerners outside the Golden Arches, Rotherham, c. 2011. The image is whimsically entitled: "Soz kids, looks like youz gettin' no happy meals today."

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In a restaurant the coffee comes in a cup from the espresso machine

good restaurants give you the choice of aeropress/siphon/espresso
well they do in '[i]that London'[/i]

Is that Russell Brand in the bowler?

When did the world get so down on the cafetiere? I make perfectly nice coffee in one, Mug coffee, for wandering about the house with or drinking while having a fettle. treat coffee from the expresso machine.

[i]it was a half-timbered gaff in Cheshire[/i]

In Sandbach, perchance?

[i]Most people would get dressed up for a night at the Theatre/Opera.
Some people do this just for an afternoon in John Lewis.[/i]

I see you've met my mother.

Anyway, stop dissing Cheshire. If nothing else, it's home to England's oldest type of cheese.

I don;t think I've ever managed to make a decent cup of coffee in a cafetiere . Stove top or drip filter things no problem. Either I've not got the knack or they don't make very good coffee. I either get weak coffee or cold coffee

[i]I either get weak coffee or cold coffee[/i]

Use more coffee and/or drink it more quickly.

NOT BOILING WATER!

Dear god have you learned nothing from STW?

fill with boiling water

NOoooooo! not boiling water, by all means preheat the jug, (if you really want to), but let the water sit after boiling (or ideally don't quite let it boil), as boiling water will burn the coffee and spoil the taste. Coffee is not like tea, which A) must have boiling water poured over it and B) is vile.

Our kettle has a different button for coffee so it switches off before it boils.

#awaits the scorn#

[sobs gently with nice coffee] .....
See.... 😥

Wasn't Knightsbridge... it was a half-timbered gaff in Cheshire. No irony intended, I reckon. Maybe fancy Southern ways haven't drifted this far north..

Hang on a sec - how long exactly should you leave the boiled water before pouring into your jug?

Here I was, full of scorn about the pretension of an egg-timer/cafetiere combo, and now it turns out there's a real science to this business. 🙂

See.... 😥

sorry...

Hang on a sec - how long exactly should you leave the boiled water before pouring into your jug?

Until its not boiling anymore. [has stopped bubbling]

"They" recommend the water is around 80 degrees. I usually boil it and leave it a minute or two as I can't be bothered with a thermometer and it seems to be about right.

When it's just stopped bubbling it will still be 99 degrees or thereabouts. It should be about 95 for coffee*, so I usually just stop the kettle before it starts to properly boil and then wait a minute and swill it around before pouring.

Just experiment - if you use boiling water it'll burn the coffee and make it bitter, so try cooler water until the coffee is nice and smooth. Should be very obvious.

* or so I thought - see post above mine.

I work on the basis that as the water pours and passes through the air it will loose a couple of degrees...

Also tap water has impurities and the process of vapourising does begin before boiling point, vigerous boiling is 100 as the tempterature cannot go any higher, there will still be bubbles down to low 90s.

Dagnabit – now I wish I'd asked the waiter who handed me that cafetière and egg timer if the water was poured in at 95 degrees...

Should have come to STW first I guess.

Excellent advice as usual!

Depends which side of the Pennines you sit as to whether you have anti Northern Bias in yer blood methinks.

I'm quite happy in Harrogate, that's a proper Northern Tarn in my books like and has the ability to serve coffee in them there "phusssh, purrr, phish, bubble, squirt" machines that are all the rage in That Larndarn (and indeed on the Sarf Carst) they be all chrome and the like, invariably have cups on top and in general served by surly blokes in aprons spouting words in dialect not too dissimilar to a Geordie on the pisslike..

Cheshires famous for footballers and cats innit? And Warrington.

Perfectly sensible to time cafetiere coffee. I've got a timer set on my phone for the purpose, and a kettle that switches off at 90 degrees.

Some coffee you can be fairly slapdash with but I've had beans that can either be ace or awful so you need to be quite methodical with them.

And of course there is no one best way to serve coffee... it depends on the provenance and the roast..

[i]it depends on the provenance[/i]

drink it like you stole it?

Actually, the boiling point of water is 100 degrees C at sea level - the boiling point reduces as air pressure decreases (i.e. at higher altitudes) so if you take your cafetiere to the Himalayas you should be fine to use freshly boiled as it will be cooler.

this thread.. 😆

If I'm below sea level, does the boiling temperature of water increase?

Yes.

To clarify, if my coffee infuses for, say, 2.5 minutes or 3.5 minutes instead of the ideal 3, what percentage of the taste sensation am I missing out on?

I can't imagine it's more than 2%.

At what altitude will the water boil at the perfect temp for making coffee?

You could avoid the trouble of travelling to the Himalayas every time you fancy a brew by simply creating a partial vacuum in your kitchen I suppose..

The not boiling thing is pure BS. To make espresso you fire boiling steam through the ground coffee. And to make any kind of coffee in a machine you first must make a shot of espresso. Also stove top espresso makers which are the best thing for making coffee you put on a stove until the water boils through.

So any one saying boiling water spoils the taste should laughed at whilst being pointed at.

Cheshire may be many things, but it isn't in the north.

As to pretention, was on a Stagg night in Bollington a few weeks back and one of the pubs described Holts as a 'craft' ale 🙂

Nice curry in the Viceroy mind.

Well, it'll vary a bit, given that barometric temperature does, but I think about 5000M will give you a boiling point of 83 degrees or so

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-points-water-altitude-d_1344.html

So any one saying boiling water spoils the taste should laughed at whilst being pointed at.

What about if their using a cafetiere.

if they are using a cafetiere whilst saying that yes they should be pointed and laughed at. If they pour boiling water into their cafetiere then all is well.

You could avoid the trouble of travelling to the Himalayas every time you fancy a brew by simply creating a partial vacuum in your kitchen I suppose..

My windows are too leaky. Can I just stick the vacuum cleaner nozzle over the kettle spout while it's heating up? Would boiling the kettle in the loft make any appreciable difference?

[i]Cheshire may be many things, but it isn't in the north.[/i]

Oh yes it funking well is 👿

Just.

Doesn't anywhere on the other side of Watford classify as 'North' to the London posse?

In which case, Cheshire is pretty damn north.

So any one saying boiling water spoils the taste should laughed at whilst being pointed at.

The average steam in a espresso machine is 86 °C to 95 °C.. it's you the coffee lovers are laughing at.

[i]Doesn't anywhere on the other side of Watford classify as 'North'?[/i]

Depends where you are. From Cheshire, anywhere on the other side of Watford is 'that London'

To make espresso you fire boiling steam through the ground coffee. And to make any kind of coffee in a machine you first must make a shot of espresso.

So much wrong there I don't know where to begin. No steam used in espresso just water at 90 ish celsius and 15 bar pressure.

Back to Barista school for you my lad!

Geographically, anywhere south of Deansgate is basically French.

And philosophically, Cheshire is about as far removed from the north as Kensington.

Sorry, I don't make the rules......

You can taste the difference when boiling water is poured on ground coffee (well i can), it tastes burned. But so long as you do it to your own coffee though and not mine, then have at it by all means.

To make espresso you fire boiling steam

must resist...

through the ground coffee. And to make any kind of coffee in a machine you first must make a shot of espresso.

huh? Even a perculator??? Making any sort of espresso based coffee you must.

Interestingly unless camping I never use a stovetop maker as I don't think the coffee tastes very nice at all...

Doesn't anywhere on the other side of Watford classify as 'North' to the London posse?

In which case, Cheshire is pretty damn north.

I concur...I went as far 'norf' as Cannock once, rode those BBOD then came back 'darn sarf'...Not going back up there again! 😉

Geographically, anywhere south of Deansgate is basically French.

Weird. Had a croissant in Leicester once and it was rubbish. 😀

[i]Geographically, anywhere south of Deansgate is basically French.

And philosophically, Cheshire is about as far removed from the north as Kensington.[/i]

Mais non, mon ami

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http://www.sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/maps/nsdivide/ns_divide_polygon.html

My windows are too leaky. Can I just stick the vacuum cleaner nozzle over the kettle spout while it's heating up? Would boiling the kettle in the loft make any appreciable difference?

I reckon some sort of bell jar with a wacking great syringe attached - put bell jar over kettle, suck as much air as possible into the syringe et voila, edlong's patented coffee water cafetiere water boiling thingy (might need to work on the branding a bit).

There was a thing on the telly last week where they did something like this - that prog where they replicate how factories make food - think they were trying to make cupasoup and had the same problem - needed boiling water, but not at 100 degrees cos they didn't want to cook. As you might have gathered, I was only half-watching so may have some or all of these details wrong.

Hoy you lot, lay off Cheshire.
It's a fine place(with the exceptions of Crewe and Winsford)all be it a little flat.

We are far enough North, so as we drink proper beers and put gravy on chips, yet not so far North as people need an interpreter to understand us 😆

Anyway 1hr from Peaks / Edale / Cannock / Llandegla (even though I'm not really keen on the place) / 40 mins from Buxton.

I like the place.......do for me.

I thought it was generally accepted that other than a proper espresso cafetiere coffee was the next best thing?

Stove top mocha pots make harsh coffee ime, ok if you like harsh coffee I suppose, but the water is clearly way too hot to make a descent cup.

joao3v16 - Member
If I'm below sea level, does the boiling temperature of water increase?

molgrips - Member
Yes.

Surely it depends on the air pressure within his submarine?

My favouritist restaurant in the whole wide world (well, maybe apart from the fish place on the seafront in Paros Town) serves coffee in one of these:

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And its also the best coffee ever! No egg timer though...

[i]Surely it depends on the air pressure within his submarine?[/i]

Why would he want coffee inside his submarine? He'll be nice and warm in there. He'll want it ouside, where he'll be cold.

If we are talking about altitude and boiling point of water, would latitude make a differance too??

I mean Chavshire's in the Norf init, thats "up" therefore boiling point of water would be lower no? (or naaah if you is from Warrington, you seem to forget Warrington is in Cheshire, any reason for that?)

I propose we take a vote..

Coffee in Cheshire is going to boil at a lower temp than it would do down here (in sunny Brighton)

I struggle with long sentences but you do know that coffee "brews" more or less instantaneously?

The North does not begin at Watford. There is an argument that it starts at Watford Gap, which is nowhere near the London borough, but that argument will be laughed at by any proper Northener.

Camo 16 - Spill the beans (pun intended) and tell us where this mock tudor establishment serving beverages of a coffee coloured nature was?

Cheshire girly here, it's definitely oopp North (our end anyhow).

Surely it depends on the air pressure within his submarine?

You don't need to be in a submarine to be below sea level. Plenty of place on dry land are.

Al, why does it make a difference how long you brew for then?

Camo 16 - Spill the beans (pun intended) and tell us where this mock tudor establishment serving beverages of a coffee coloured nature was?

Boat House, Parkgate. 😯

Incidentally, last night's beverage was completed as instructed – water poured in at c. 90-95 degrees, left in pot for three minutes and I have to tell you...

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...it was damn good coffee. 😀

FAIL!
But one could see how you could confuse The Wirral with Cheshire. 😉