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this thread.. 😆

If I'm below sea level, does the boiling temperature of water increase?

Yes.

To clarify, if my coffee infuses for, say, 2.5 minutes or 3.5 minutes instead of the ideal 3, what percentage of the taste sensation am I missing out on?

I can't imagine it's more than 2%.

At what altitude will the water boil at the perfect temp for making coffee?

You could avoid the trouble of travelling to the Himalayas every time you fancy a brew by simply creating a partial vacuum in your kitchen I suppose..

The not boiling thing is pure BS. To make espresso you fire boiling steam through the ground coffee. And to make any kind of coffee in a machine you first must make a shot of espresso. Also stove top espresso makers which are the best thing for making coffee you put on a stove until the water boils through.

So any one saying boiling water spoils the taste should laughed at whilst being pointed at.

Cheshire may be many things, but it isn't in the north.

As to pretention, was on a Stagg night in Bollington a few weeks back and one of the pubs described Holts as a 'craft' ale 🙂

Nice curry in the Viceroy mind.

Well, it'll vary a bit, given that barometric temperature does, but I think about 5000M will give you a boiling point of 83 degrees or so

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-points-water-altitude-d_1344.html

So any one saying boiling water spoils the taste should laughed at whilst being pointed at.

What about if their using a cafetiere.

if they are using a cafetiere whilst saying that yes they should be pointed and laughed at. If they pour boiling water into their cafetiere then all is well.

You could avoid the trouble of travelling to the Himalayas every time you fancy a brew by simply creating a partial vacuum in your kitchen I suppose..

My windows are too leaky. Can I just stick the vacuum cleaner nozzle over the kettle spout while it's heating up? Would boiling the kettle in the loft make any appreciable difference?

[i]Cheshire may be many things, but it isn't in the north.[/i]

Oh yes it funking well is 👿

Just.

Doesn't anywhere on the other side of Watford classify as 'North' to the London posse?

In which case, Cheshire is pretty damn north.

So any one saying boiling water spoils the taste should laughed at whilst being pointed at.

The average steam in a espresso machine is 86 °C to 95 °C.. it's you the coffee lovers are laughing at.

[i]Doesn't anywhere on the other side of Watford classify as 'North'?[/i]

Depends where you are. From Cheshire, anywhere on the other side of Watford is 'that London'

To make espresso you fire boiling steam through the ground coffee. And to make any kind of coffee in a machine you first must make a shot of espresso.

So much wrong there I don't know where to begin. No steam used in espresso just water at 90 ish celsius and 15 bar pressure.

Back to Barista school for you my lad!

Geographically, anywhere south of Deansgate is basically French.

And philosophically, Cheshire is about as far removed from the north as Kensington.

Sorry, I don't make the rules......

You can taste the difference when boiling water is poured on ground coffee (well i can), it tastes burned. But so long as you do it to your own coffee though and not mine, then have at it by all means.

To make espresso you fire boiling steam

must resist...

through the ground coffee. And to make any kind of coffee in a machine you first must make a shot of espresso.

huh? Even a perculator??? Making any sort of espresso based coffee you must.

Interestingly unless camping I never use a stovetop maker as I don't think the coffee tastes very nice at all...

Doesn't anywhere on the other side of Watford classify as 'North' to the London posse?

In which case, Cheshire is pretty damn north.

I concur...I went as far 'norf' as Cannock once, rode those BBOD then came back 'darn sarf'...Not going back up there again! 😉

Geographically, anywhere south of Deansgate is basically French.

Weird. Had a croissant in Leicester once and it was rubbish. 😀

[i]Geographically, anywhere south of Deansgate is basically French.

And philosophically, Cheshire is about as far removed from the north as Kensington.[/i]

Mais non, mon ami

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My windows are too leaky. Can I just stick the vacuum cleaner nozzle over the kettle spout while it's heating up? Would boiling the kettle in the loft make any appreciable difference?

I reckon some sort of bell jar with a wacking great syringe attached - put bell jar over kettle, suck as much air as possible into the syringe et voila, edlong's patented coffee water cafetiere water boiling thingy (might need to work on the branding a bit).

There was a thing on the telly last week where they did something like this - that prog where they replicate how factories make food - think they were trying to make cupasoup and had the same problem - needed boiling water, but not at 100 degrees cos they didn't want to cook. As you might have gathered, I was only half-watching so may have some or all of these details wrong.

Hoy you lot, lay off Cheshire.
It's a fine place(with the exceptions of Crewe and Winsford)all be it a little flat.

We are far enough North, so as we drink proper beers and put gravy on chips, yet not so far North as people need an interpreter to understand us 😆

Anyway 1hr from Peaks / Edale / Cannock / Llandegla (even though I'm not really keen on the place) / 40 mins from Buxton.

I like the place.......do for me.

I thought it was generally accepted that other than a proper espresso cafetiere coffee was the next best thing?

Stove top mocha pots make harsh coffee ime, ok if you like harsh coffee I suppose, but the water is clearly way too hot to make a descent cup.

joao3v16 - Member
If I'm below sea level, does the boiling temperature of water increase?

molgrips - Member
Yes.

Surely it depends on the air pressure within his submarine?

My favouritist restaurant in the whole wide world (well, maybe apart from the fish place on the seafront in Paros Town) serves coffee in one of these:

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And its also the best coffee ever! No egg timer though...

[i]Surely it depends on the air pressure within his submarine?[/i]

Why would he want coffee inside his submarine? He'll be nice and warm in there. He'll want it ouside, where he'll be cold.

If we are talking about altitude and boiling point of water, would latitude make a differance too??

I mean Chavshire's in the Norf init, thats "up" therefore boiling point of water would be lower no? (or naaah if you is from Warrington, you seem to forget Warrington is in Cheshire, any reason for that?)

I propose we take a vote..

Coffee in Cheshire is going to boil at a lower temp than it would do down here (in sunny Brighton)

I struggle with long sentences but you do know that coffee "brews" more or less instantaneously?

The North does not begin at Watford. There is an argument that it starts at Watford Gap, which is nowhere near the London borough, but that argument will be laughed at by any proper Northener.

Camo 16 - Spill the beans (pun intended) and tell us where this mock tudor establishment serving beverages of a coffee coloured nature was?

Cheshire girly here, it's definitely oopp North (our end anyhow).

Surely it depends on the air pressure within his submarine?

You don't need to be in a submarine to be below sea level. Plenty of place on dry land are.

Al, why does it make a difference how long you brew for then?

Camo 16 - Spill the beans (pun intended) and tell us where this mock tudor establishment serving beverages of a coffee coloured nature was?

Boat House, Parkgate. 😯

Incidentally, last night's beverage was completed as instructed – water poured in at c. 90-95 degrees, left in pot for three minutes and I have to tell you...

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...it was damn good coffee. 😀

FAIL!
But one could see how you could confuse The Wirral with Cheshire. 😉

Al, why does it make a difference how long you brew for then?

It doesn't*

*Or so I have read.

DOUBLE FAIL, DS!

Parkgate is a village on the Wirral Peninsula, in the part that lies in the unitary authority of Cheshire West and Chester and the ceremonial county of Cheshire, in the North West of England.

Yeah, the Wirral likes to think it's in Cheshire, mainly because it's populated by the Hyacinth Bouquet types who refuse to accept that they live on Merseyside.

The rest of us Cestrians know better 🙂

the Hyacinth Bouquet types who refuse to accept that they live on Merseyside.

So are we looking at a particular cafetiere/egg timer demographic then? A geographical anomaly? A social black hole?

Suddenly everything becomes clear...

Yeah, the Wirral likes to think it's in Cheshire, mainly because it's populated by the Hyacinth Bouquet types who refuse to accept that they live on Merseyside.

I've just got a coffee from the restaurant, it's on the first floor, does the boiling temp make a differance 60ft up from where I am?

Isn't North Wales in Cheshire now?

"is confused"

[i]I've just got a coffee from the restaurant, it's on the first floor, does the boiling temp make a differance 60ft up from where I am?[/i]

No idea, but I'm making all my coffee on the floor from now on just to be on the safe side.

Numptie geography question:

If we're ignoring proper administrative boundaries here and going for the common sense 'this is Cheshire, that isn't' approach, what is (and what isn't) Cheshire? I'm guessing Chester counts... but how about Macclesfield? Isn't that basically just Derbyshire wearing a silly hat? I'm guessing Runcorn, Widnes and Warrington are the poor neighbours that exist only to give proper Cestrians something to s**** at...

So tell.

We have coffee vending machines all over the place here. Have to say the coffee that is secreted from them must have over boiled water and no pressure infused at all.
Tastes like mellow birds vom.

Must be because the machines sit at sea level (well about 100ft above if you're asking)

It doesn't*

*Or so I have read.

It does tho, when I do it at least.