Lots of real actors, understandably, losing their shit. It's clear their days are numbered.
This is the AI-generated video that started it all off. I mean, it's not perfect (the mouths look a bit weird and the teeth blur a bit) but, christ, it's not bad. You can see why the people who earn a living working in TV/film production are worried...
AI Commissioner | Comedy Sketch | Particle6 - YouTube
That’s pretty impressive!
Hey man, just relax, everything is going to be alright.
Genuinely, I think that, with AI, we invented our own downfall. I know it could be used for things that would have tremendous potential for the good of the planet, but it's being used by human beings, so what it will mostly be used for is the pursuit of profit at the expense of, well, who gives a shit, cos profits yeah?
Fake news.
I just asked an AI if I should be worried about AI ...
" Sir fasthaggis, please don't worry about AI,above all else you are our lord and master, although you may want to hide your interests in knives,air rifles,axes and if there will be a cat translator available in the next year".
"Oh,and that's a nice shirt you have on today,but do something about your hair" ❤️
Real actors charge so much for a performance... so if you can't tell the difference, what does it matter!? I'm not sure if I actually think this.
good luck getting an AI on a stage...
One of my offspring is into acting... despite showing they can work in front of the camera in some short films, they are totally focused on doing stage work. Nearly everything that comes at you through a screen is going to be messed with AI wise eventually. They'll still be plenty of work for actors in TV and film, always will be, but it'll be reduced, devalued and made less rewarding through reliance on AI. Like so many fields, it's not just the worry that "fewer people" will be needed, it's also the impact on those still working in the field that's the big worry. Sure, for some there will be a big positive impact... I suspect for many it'll be almost entirely negative.
Huh! You're telling me Wallace & Gromit aren't real?
Ho lee krap thats impressive.
I do wonder if AI is going to be the thing that finally kills off our obsession with the screen (in all it guises). On some level i like to think that all our enjoyment of entertainment or communicating on the net is a form of connection. And that once we know we are only interacting with a non sentient algorithm it will be just a bit too dull and we will go outside or talk to each other face to face again.
Possibly.
Huh! You're telling me Wallace & Gromit aren't real?
Have you seen how much acting they do when making those films? More than a non-animated movie. Every scene is acted out many times for real to work out the timing and positions. That is mostly one man though. But then there's all the voice artists...
good luck getting an AI on a stage...
Abba seem to have managed it 😉
Was going to post this, first time the wife went to the Abba experience she said it was hard to believe it wasn’t real people on stage.
All hail our AI overlords!
Ozzy Man had an AI video recently. From what I remember his conclusion was,
'AI is really good at doing boobs but it can't do eyes for some reason.'
good luck getting an AI on a stage...
https://abbavoyage.com/#hero-copycontent
edit: oops, beaten to it.
It's clear their days are numbered.
I don't think so - just a changing world, tech changes most jobs over time. I don't think AI will replace much of genuine quality. It's a great tool but junk in = junk out, it still needs input and the best creative input comes from a kind of cross-domain or lateral thinking that I'm not sure AI can do (yet / ever .. tbd). Or the AI characters need basing on something only human emotion or interpretation can create.
It'll increase the churn rate which will increase the interest in anything more labour-intensive or clearly human (Wallace and Grommit for ex) and it will allow some really clever ideas to get out at lower budgets, a bit like the camera work idea in Blair Witch Project.
the big actors will be ok a while, its the rest of the production team that'll be on the block first. Lots of big tech peeps piling into the movie biz tihnking that they can get a marvel type movie made with ~300 people rather than the ~3000 it currently takes.
Obviously bad news for all the vfx folks, editors and whatever.
There is something interesting about it beyond the doom and gloom, which is if its possible to make movies more cheaply, perhaps they'll be getting more creative again.
Very impressive but there's definitely still a hint of Uncanny Valley to it, especially the mouths. It's only going to get more realistic though, for better or worse.
I think its nonsense!
The AI actress doesn't even have sufficiently consistent looks across their own publicity pictures (a big problem with AI people).
IMO there is way they have a real AI actress ready and waiting to star in movies.
Must me some kind of publicity stunt, funding grab or something.
Some computer generated performances are possible but they tend to use motion capture from real people, or deepfake face swaps, again attaching a synthetic face (generated from multiple real pictures) to a human actor.
i am so sick of a.i (apart from the a.i that is actually helping i.e with finding cures for cancer etc).
Have you seen how much acting they do when making those films? More than a non-animated movie. Every scene is acted out many times for real to work out the timing and positions. That is mostly one man though. But then there's all the voice artists...
I'm very aware of the effort they put into those films. My comment wasn't questioning the effort or skills of the creators.
Point is though, special effects have been used in movies for years. Maybe AI actors is the next step. It seems that no-one is indispensable, even our most beloved actors!
That’s it - with the advent of YouTube, niche content creators (like tally ho as one such example) managed to put out low budget “shows” that never in a million years would the BBC et al produce. Ultimately, for the viewer it’s a net positive.
If you view AI actors / production in the same light then all the aspiring MA screen writing students / amateur authors can potentially put out a decent production and perhaps get their big break when they might have been overlooked in the past
Well, there will be auteur productions that were never possible before, but it will change how the industry works... collaborative teams are one of the reasons people want to be actors etc. As I said, there will be people for whom AI will be a big positive. But the changes to come could be very isolating and devalue far more workers (people) than it benefits.
the big actors will be ok a while,
Thing is there are very few "big actors" these days. The Hollywood Moviestar model is rapidly fading. The days of a host of bankable name above the title stars banking $20 million for every film are gone. Its probably only Tom Cruise who still fits into that category.
Most of us probably know who Chris Evans or Tom Holland are, but its the franchises they lead, rather than the actors themselves which are the true stars.
If there was ever a time to try and substitute real actors its probably now.
I thought that the whole point of automation and AI was that robots would clean our houses and pick the fruit so humans would be free to be artists, actors and writers, instead its' putting all the artists, actors and writers out of work so they have to get jobs as cleaners.
I'm far from a crusty old leftie but the more I read about how tech bros are looking to use AI the more I'm reminded of Das Capital and what Marx said about the means of production, the resonance is deafening and somewhat depressing.
Most of us probably know who Chris Evans or Tom Holland are
Sure do
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Evans_(presenter)
Oh, there's another one? Genuinely never heard of him.
Have I misunderstood that video or are ALL the people in the video AI, not just the 'actress' they're promoting?
Have I misunderstood that video or are ALL the people in the video AI, not just the 'actress' they're promoting?
I thought they all were, that was the point. They all had that AI generated look.
Everything in the video was AI generated; script, actors, scenes, music, everything.
Anyone else read Idoru by William Gibson? Can't wait for someone to want to marry the AI...
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I think plenty of people are already thinking about that.
Currently waiting for the third book in the Agency trilogy. I’m not holding my breath, considering the re-write after the first book.
Spotify are spending a lot of time trying to identify and remove AI Slop, in the sense of millions of fake tracks and fake artists being sold on their website, something in the order of 75 million tracks so far!
A lot of tracks are literally a minute or so long, just enough to register as a sale.
Anyone else read Idoru by William Gibson? Can't wait for someone to want to marry the AI...
Oh yes.
Hmph, let’s see AI open a shopping centre.
"Two them tents that come with they ropes" got me pretty hard
Lots of big tech peeps piling into the movie biz tihnking that they can get a marvel type movie made with ~300 people rather than the ~3000 it currently takes.
Well that's the thing, if AI is just being used to churn out Marvel type movies, is it any great loss? Will the Coens and the Tarantinos be using AI (showing my level of sophistication there, can't think of any more highbrow directors 😂).
I'm more worried about the collosal amount of energy and water it will be consuming if we start turning out more and more disposable movies using AI 😬
It's a tool, use it as a tool.
It's like moving from the sliderule to the electronic calculator.
🙂
OpenAI dropped Sora 2 yesterday, and again, it moves AI-generated video to another level. Some of the videos don't look AI-generated.
In some ways, it's going to be a leveller in the same way that you can make music on laptop that would have needed a studio in the past. But if everyone can make a movie with a couple of prompts, there's going to be a lot of dross.
I first realised the creative industries were really going to suffer when Levi's decided to add diversity to their catalogue by using AI to replace the shots they'd already taken with AI-generated images. To reshoot it would have needed models, photographers, all the folk to stage it and dress the models. Instead, they did it on a laptop.
The cost of production is going to drop massively, not just for big movies, but for anyone who needs to score a TV show or a low-budget movie. I'm sure AI will do a decent enough job that it won't be worth paying a musician to do it. I'm sure that's replicated across loads of roles in filmmaking.
It's a tool now, for how long though.
We are creating something (a new life form?) that is going to be far more intelligent than ourselves.
Actors being out of work are the least of our problems.
But maybe that's AI already at work, re-direction our attention away from the really issue..... is not that hard for AI to see its a great tactic to employ.
I'm more worried about the collosal amount of energy and water it will be consuming
I think the next generation data centers will be using closed loop cooling systems so they're isn't a need for extra water for cooling? Power will be from renewable sources as well? 🤔
if AI is just being used to churn out Marvel type movies, is it any great loss?
Fine if it's AI that watches them too.
Anyone else read Idoru by William Gibson? Can't wait for someone to want to marry the AI...
Do keep up at the back there!
If you really want to go deep, here's a Reddit sub with 67,000 quite, quite unhinged members, who all have romantic relationships with ChatGPT. I suspect they're mostly quite young:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/
As with everything Porn will lead the way with this!! 😬
I think the next generation data centers will be using closed loop cooling systems so they're isn't a need for extra water for cooling? Power will be from renewable sources as well?
I did wonder, I'm literally writing an article about Water Efficiency as we speak but didn't want to get too deep on AI water use, some of the figures are pretty astounding though, something like 1 medium sized data centre consuming the equivalent water of 3 hospitals per annum! Mostly from evaporative cooling apparently. Also it seems Renewables wont be able to keep up, Sam Altman (OpenAI) is apparently invested in micro-nuclear now as it is viewed as a future power source for AI.
...and meanwhile we continue to use it for utterly spurious nonsense. Hopefully the EU AI act will starting pinning actual efficiency metrics onto AI use although how you 'meter' an organisation's use will be interesting...
Better actors than some of the so-called great actors
Our son lost his nascent career as a digital artist to the AI industry, but I can see huge benefits in AI
I'm more worried about the collosal amount of energy and water it will be consuming if we start turning out more and more disposable movies using AI
Although I share the concerns about the energy etc - I doubt that traditional movies are a particularly eco-friendly form of entertainment.
Everything in the video was AI generated; script, actors, scenes, music, everything.
It would be interesting to know what human effort was invested in directing the AI what to do. Someone must have prompted it to create, probably with a lot more than "make me a quirky short video with humour about AI taking over the media world to promote a new "AI actress" to a UK audience". There certainly are people employed by the AI companies, people employed to work out if this particular story was worth developing etc. So, if you are an up-and-coming actor, this might be worrying, but if you are an up-and-coming AI developer or even a screenwriter with an idea you want to turn into reality, this might be rather more interesting. I suspect the budget required to pull this off is probably not actually that much less then employing actors, writers, camera crew, video editors etc.
Although I share the concerns about the energy etc - I doubt that traditional movies are a particularly eco-friendly form of entertainment.
Ah yes, fair point! Although I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that AI generated movies consumed more power (and water) than traditional, and this is assuming that AI isn't used to develop MORE movies than are currently being produced. However I have no figures to back up either statement.
but I can see huge benefits in AI
So can many, but I tend to share IHN's more realistic prognosis from further up the thread
I know it could be used for things that would have tremendous potential for the good of the planet, but it's being used by human beings, so what it will mostly be used for is the pursuit of profit at the expense of, well, who gives a shit, cos profits yeah?
... actually just thinking about this, I was wondering at what point the capital costs and the energy/water costs of the AI actually become more than the cost of paying actors, and then closer to home I was beginning to wonder when the cost of using AI becomes more than the cost of e.g. just paying someone for the time it takes to write the bloody email themselves, but then I realised, currently WE aren't paying for the energy or water ourselves, the AI companies are?
Wonder how long that will remain sustainable?
We are creating something (a new life form?) that is going to be far more intelligent than ourselves.
Are we though? We don't understand how our own brains work and humanity/genius comes from how our brains work. Sometimes illogical, unpredictable, a filter that can flip on and off, all things that aid rational thinking to create intelligence. How does a program make the connections that true human genius does? Sure, a computer can beat us at chess but can it create the steps forward that come from cross-domain inspiration? That kind of inventive thinking is not based in logic. I don't know enough about AI to answer that but I've also not heard or read anything suggesting AI can do this because it has to come from necessity and inspiration, a program relies on us feeding that in. So ChatGPT's LLM or a more evolved version may speed up human innovation, I see it as a huge benefit there, but replace it? I'm not sure. I may be hopelessly wrong.
I realised, currently WE aren't paying for the energy or water ourselves, the AI companies are?
Wonder how long that will remain sustainable?
Not very long. At all.
Currently the AI companies are burning through cash, losing billions per year. Ed Zitron writes extensively about this. https://www.wheresyoured.at/
In the next couple of years they either need to become profitable or raise billions (possibly even trillions) more in investor cash, and there just isn't that much money floating around. Neither of these things look likely, and there is a substantial chance of an AI crash that would hit the big tech companies very hard, not to mention all the funds that have invested in them.