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Neil Carmichael, the Conservative MP for Stroud, said: “It’s disappointing to see Ukip jumping on the refugee crisis to further their own political aims. Britain can only deal with the issue of immigration by working together with European countries that face the same challenges.”A spokesperson for Getty Images confirmed that the picture had been licensed from them and was taken in Slovenia in 2015 by its staff photographer Jeff Mitchell. “It is always uncomfortable when an objective news photograph is used to deliver any political message or subjective agenda. However, the image in question has been licensed legitimately,” they said.
“Editorial integrity is of the utmost importance to Getty Images, and our photographers are passionate about documenting the global news agenda and covering issues from an objective and impartial standpoint. Our images are syndicated to almost 1 million customers around the world – whether that be to media, business and brands, or in this case, political parties.”
Unless you have moved Slovenia then I'm calling #Jambyfacts again
The poster above uses an image taken of refugees crossing illegally en route to Germany. Not too many women ? As the Americans would say "men of fighting age"
As the man from Getty said
[b] “It is always uncomfortable when an objective news photograph is used to deliver any political message or subjective agenda.[/b]
A photo captures a moment in time, it can be used by anyone to prove their point but it does not prove anything.
The fact that the poster also misses the point that the UK has 100% control of it's borders via passport control etc. and that it would not let refugees cross without due process. Like the EU thread you always want to confuse freedom of EU citizens with Refugees and miss the very simple fact that the UK has control of it's borders.
Tunisian suspect being hunted by German police. So racist.
"German police are searching for a Tunisian over Monday's Berlin Christmas market attack, media reports say.According to a temporary-stay permit found under a seat in the cab of the lorry, the man, named as Anis A, was born in 1992 in the city of Tataouine.
A police operation is reported to be under way in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia where the permit was issued.
Investigators say the suspect may have been injured in a struggle with the driver of the truck."
I can't help but wonder if the perp might have left someone else's identity card behind to throw the feds off the scent....
You people make me sick.
More French and Belgian citizens are responsible for European terrorism than any other group, you don't see anyone suggesting we ban them.
Anyone suggesting we don't help those millions in need on the strength of a couple of whack jobs needs to have a serious word with themselves.
An extremist mindset is one born from extreme situations of dissatisfaction and alienation. I'm sure ignoring the plight of so many and treating them with such contempt won't add to that.
It is irrelevant what nationality whatever sicko that committed this act is. What is relevant is the circumstances and experiences which led them to make such extreme decisions.
Unfortunately for some of your tiny little minds it won't be anything like as simple as being a migrant or a Muslim.
The world is a complex place, full of horrors, I think it's probably best we try to face it with humility, generosity and kindness, as being a **** seems to have made it worse, not better.
Once again, people have died in a horrible act and the point scoring starts in earnest.
A. Conveniently ignored.
B. Utterly missed..
Thank you for proving my point!
outofbreathI can't help but wonder if the perp might have left someone else's identity card behind to throw the feds off the scent....
Jihadists have been known to leave or carry their id so when they are martyred everyone knows exactly who was responsible. He may have just changed his mind about dying at the last minute.
fin25 - MemberYou people make me sick.
More French and Belgian citizens are responsible for European terrorism than any other group, you don't see anyone suggesting we ban them.
Lol.
Anyone suggesting we don't help those millions in need on the strength of a couple of whack jobs needs to have a serious word with themselves.
But no one is suggesting that.
An extremist mindset is one born from extreme situations of dissatisfaction and alienation. I'm sure ignoring the plight of so many and treating them with such contempt won't add to that.
Yeah, like middle class university educated second generation londoners. Must be tough.
Unfortunately for some of your tiny little minds ..
Please stop 😆
outofbreath - MemberAccording to a temporary-stay permit found under a seat in the cab of the lorry, the man, named as Anis A, was born in 1992 in the city of Tataouine
Bloody rebels
Yeah, like middle class university educated second generation londoners. Must be tough.
Where did I say that poverty or lack of education were causes of extremism?
fin dont feed the troll!
[b]Interesting, RichPenny, that you would flee* from terror, oppression and violence but leave your children, wife and parents behind...
(*Refugee - r?fj??d?i; noun: a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster)
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@nifan - Definition of a troll - someone who chooses to pick someone else up on a subject they clearly know little about and look foolish in the process... 😀
Ah, the cry of troll, second only to the flounce in the leftie armoury of responses when losing the argument.
Ps. I see that the new suspect in the German attack was registered as an asylum seeker. Oops.
ninfan - MemberPs. I see that the new suspect in the German attack was registered as an asylum seeker. Oops.
Well I see the lesson about waiting til you're sure it's the right man has sunk in
Ah, the cry of troll, second only to the flounce in the leftie armoury of responses when losing the argument.
I'm getting confused on this thread. Didn't some actual people literally die? 😥
Oh come on ninfan.. when have you even posted anything of substance on thread relating to Muslims?? Let alone coming anywhere close to making a point??
Winning an argument though!? 😆 comic genius
Well, there's the times when I've pointed out that Muslim isn't a race when people like you have been hopping up and down calling anyone and everyone racist 😉
I'm getting confused on this thread. Didn't some actual people literally die?
What you are seeing here with the mentality of people like Ninfan is the lack of empathy, and a hatred of all that is different to them, which essentially makes them and the "extremists" both sides of the same coin.
Well, there's the times when I've pointed out that Muslim isn't a race when people like you have been hopping up and down calling anyone and everyone racist
Of course racism being a belief that one's own race is superior to others, which will include their religious beliefs.
Not necessarily against a race.
It's you, imagined, superiority that makes it racist.
Not shut up on the matter before you look foolish.
Ps. I see that the new suspect in the German attack was registered as an asylum seeker. Oops.
If you're that desperate to win an argument that you'll sink so low, then **** it, you've won.
How does it feel to have changed the world?
Oh, sorry, no one gives a shit about your smug opinions and nothing will change regardless of how many forum threads you pollute with your nonsense.
So yeah, enjoy your victory.
Hope it is everything you dreamed of.
people like Ninfan
Go on...
Of course racism being a belief that one's own race is superior to others, which will include their religious beliefs.
Not necessarily against a race.
It's you, imagined, superiority that makes it racist.
Not shut up on the matter before you look foolish.
Muslim isn't a race, that's not just my opinion, it's what the law says
You can wish to redefine it to fit in with your high minded, self important, oh so conscious ideals all you like, but the law says it isn't
Diddums
[i]Ah, the cry of troll, second only to the flounce in the leftie armoury of responses when losing the argument.[/i]
@nifan..ever heard the phrase give the man enough rope? In your words above you flatter me and suggest you may be racist and confirm you're just trolling too.
Calling me a leftie is flattery. Everyone knows the racists and xenophobes hide in the right wing parties, and by you using the words 'leftie' as an attack on me you are clearly labeling yourself as right wing.
Also, you chose to ignore the comment about you knowing nothing about refugees. You must be trolling then to criticise another person on a subject you know little about.
Good effort by you I say. 😀
people like NinfanGo on...
Don't get excited it's a preposition not verb. 😛
I'm getting confused on this thread. Didn't some actual people literally die?
+1
🙁
That's irrelevant. It's more important to win the thread!
Can we just close this one. And as a bonus can we ban Ninfan?
Ah, intolerance of those with different beliefs and an attempt to censor debate
Quelle surprise
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Muslim isn't a race, that's not just my opinion, it's what the law saysYou can wish to redefine it to fit in with your high minded, self important, oh so conscious ideals all you like, but the law says it isn't
Diddums
That'll be the Crime and Disorder Act (1998) (as amended), won't it?
Diddums? 😆
You know a person is out of rational argument when they try and insult.
Not clever and not cool.
Diddums is a standard ninfan retort. If you insist on "debating" a political point with ninfan then expect puerile point scoring, childish taunting, petty insults, and very little else.
Good luck.
You people make me sick.More French and Belgian citizens are responsible for European terrorism than any other group, you don't see anyone suggesting we ban them.
Well I have certainly suggested, in fact demanded, we have full control over our borders are are not obliged by law to treat all EU citizens as having identical rights to UK citizens. The connection here is not about country of origin. There is another link, namely a radical interpretation of Islam.
Merkel invited Syrian Refugees, she got a minority of those but a whole lot of people from other nations having no significant threats to civilians. What Germany got was economic migrants and some individuals intent of committing acts of terrorism who where able to enter Germany illegally with minimal checks. This attack was simply the latest and it won't be the last.
There is no argument for ninfan to win, the result is clear to anyone willing to see. It is with absolute certainty this was an attack carried out in the name of radical Islam. The US and French have been warning about attacks of Christmas markets as that's what IS is very publically calling for. There where numerous car rammings last year in France at markets and another in Austria at the time of the F1 Grand Prix.
What really really depresses me is the German Authorities have now placed concrete blocks over the site entrance. WTF !! No ***** use now are they ?
The US and French have been warning about attacks of Christmas markets
Always hilarious when the US warns of the dangers of terrorism...
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Jihadists have been known to leave or carry their id so when they are martyred everyone knows exactly who was responsible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38392128
Looks like you're most likely right.
Jambalaya , the sad thing is that you , Ninfan and Farage used the death of innocent people to reinforce your right wing ideas .
We all know this was an attack related to radical islam .
But building walls doesnt work , so what else ?
Maybe the day we stop bombing the sht out of those countries , we wont have so many problems .
We have control of our borders and the radical islamists aren't EU citizens. So other than that, yes, very good points well made.
I suppose the Germans should have sent the refugees back to Aleppo pending consideration of their visa applications, totting up of points etc. FFS man - it's an emergency!!
individuals intent of committing acts of terrorism who where able to enter Germany illegally with minimal checks.
And you are not going to stop that by closing borders and losing people, that has been demonstrated time after time, that benefit us.
You are scared of Muslims and think closing the door is the answer. If a terrorist wants to travel to the UK with stringent border controls, they will do it. The IRA did, Libyans did, Iranians did. It's the terrorists that you need to fear and even then grow some balls and don't let the terrorists win.
From the Telegrapgh. Really not looking good for German Government or security services.
German police hunt Tunisian man after finding identity documentSuspect was investigated over earlier plot, had links to extremist preacher
Berlin terror attack leaves Angela Merkel isolated
Everything we know about suspect Anis Amri
How the German police and security service blundered over the Berlin terror outrage?
A Tunisian man known wanted in connection with the deadly truck attack on a crowd at a Berlin Christmas market had been previously investigated over an earlier terror plot, a senior German official has said.
Ralf Jäger, the interior minister of North Rhine-Westphalia state, said an investigation had been launched against as Anis Amri, who was due to be deported, earlier this year on suspicion of "preparing a serious crime endangering national safety".
He moved around Germany and lived in several places, Mr Jäger said. Since February this year he lived mostly in Berlin, but he had been back in North Rhine-Westphalia recently.
The man is aged 21 or 23 and known by three different names, according to reports in the daily Allgemeine Zeitung and the Bild newspaper.
Both said asylum office papers believed to belong to the man were found in the cab of the truck.
The documents, which announced a stay of deportation, were found under the driver's seat of the 40-tonne lorry that barrelled through the Christmas market in the heart of the German capital.
No future as an MP and the right job came up.
I can't help but think he should have stuck it out. MP is a 5 year commitment, don't think it's right to jack it in when circumstances change.
^^^ Corbyn thread 😉
Always hilarious when the US warns of the dangers of terrorism...
Bob try that hilarity in New York. Your chart excluded 9/11 and Homeland Security would say the subsequently low level is a result of the job they do including border control. Half the gun deaths are suicides and most of the rest is gang violence.
When we all know it's really because the terrorists commit suicide or are murdered by gangs before they get to carry out their attacks.Homeland Security would say the subsequently low level is a result of the job they do including border control.
outofbreathI can't help but wonder if the perp might have left someone else's identity card behind to throw the feds off the scent....
Well if he did he also left their DNA.
There were signs of a struggle in the truck's cab and traces of the suspect's DNA were found, regional state broadcaster RBB reported]
When you say gang violence....
Is there not a good chance that your 'data' for those 'stats' was compiled by people who might not understand how to differentiate between gang members and people in reduced circumstances?
Or perhaps even a vested interest in failing to make the distinction?
Is there a possibility that you've reached your conclusion through ideas you picked up from 90s Hollywood narrative?
Well if he did he also left their DNA
That's interesting do they take a DNA sample of all refugees on arrival?
They've had enough time to test for it and compare to a database
That's interesting do they take a DNA sample of all refugees on arrival?
No idea. I'd imagine the suspect was DNA'd during his previous arrests.
In July this year he got into a knife fight over drugs and was charged with GBH. But he went underground before getting to court.
EDIT If they don't DNA all asylum seekers then they should IMO.
That's interesting do they take a DNA sample of all refugees on arrival?
Not as far as I know. I doubt that would be legal under Human Rights Legislation anyway. I do believe they are finger printed (as you are when entering the US)
EDIT If they don't DNA all asylum seekers then they should IMO.
And the rest of the population, I'll throw in ID cards into the mix too. It's a well known fact that countries that collect DNA from all citizens and use ID cards have zero crime rates.
I'll go first as I've nothing to hide.
It's a well known fact that countries that collect DNA from all citizens and use ID cards have zero crime rates.
Maybe they have lower crime rates than they would otherwise have and ID makes police work easier.