There’s just been an absolute lunatic on Radio 4, an advisor to Ben Gvir, ranting (and I do mean ranting) about the UK ‘sucking up to Hamas’ because it has been ‘taken over by Jihadists’.
Just listened to it on R4, Yishai Fleisher who's merely another zionist gobshite - drop him in Gaza and lets see him talk his rhetoric, the entire zionist movement should be treated as a terrorist organisation
And to think the UN bombed Serbia 25 years ago for conducting themselves in a similar, but far less vicious, way.
Now look at us. Flotsam on the sea of events with a **** as POTUS and, largely as a result of that, no effective multinational force or even conscience.
He sounded absolutely unhinged!
Should have been switched off. Absolutely batshit. And nasty.
Blimey this is impressive, it includes people who are the very last people that I would expect to be involved, including members of Unit 8200
They are obviously rejecting the Nuremberg defence "I was only following orders", as you would expect anyone aware of the Holocaust to.
Addressing the impact of the offensive on civilians in the territory, the group wrote: “When a government acts for ulterior motives, harms civilians and leads to the killing of innocent people, the orders it issues are clearly illegal, and we must not obey them.”
And they are clear that the aim is genocide :
In an interview, they said: “I felt that it was immoral and insanely excessive. I felt that they stopped thinking and feeling, and they were willing to do everything to achieve a goal that wasn’t really a real goal … and if there is a goal, it’s to try to get rid of Gaza’s population by any means.”
There’s just been an absolute lunatic on Radio 4, an advisor to Ben Gvir, ranting (and I do mean ranting) about the UK ‘sucking up to Hamas’ because it has been ‘taken over by Jihadists’
Hate-filled gnome given air time by the BBC, with no real push back No wonder Lammy and co can get by only giving lip service to the straining Israel.
Blimey this is impressive, it includes people who are the very last people that I would expect to be involved, including members of Unit 8200
Really Ernie - I’m impressed by your optimism and ability to see the positive in any situation a few Israelis manage to find the conscience to not kill children put out the flags!!
It reminds me of this song by Tom Lehrer:
Remember the war against Franco?That's the kind where each of us belongsThough he may have won all the battlesWe had all the good songs
"the straining" -> restraining 🙂
Though maybe it was better that way around.
Really Ernie - I’m impressed by your optimism
Optimism, is that what you call it? Open and very public rebellion by IDF intelligence officers is bad news for the current far-right genocidal Israeli government whichever way you look at it.
Your ability to maintain a negative angle on absolutely every single piece of news on Gaza is probably more impressive, how do you manage it?
Perhaps you think that this thread should only include news reports that are 100% negative?
Btw I didn't find that particular article myself it was brought to my attention when it was posted on a local Palestine solidarity WhatsApp group which includes members of the Palestinian diaspora and one individual living in Gaza.
Including a comic song in my post was maybe a clue that I was indulging in a bit of teasing. Of course there is lots of good news coming out of Gaza. I heard an Israeli mouthpiece - I forget which one - declaring that the current starvation campaign was reducing deaths from obesity, so there's that.
Dunno if that link works, but it’s a remarkable interview. If only Jon Snow were still around.
Including a comic song in my post was maybe a clue that I was indulging in a bit of teasing.
Oh yeah I saw that, my apologies, I thought you were taking the piss.
I didn't realise you were teasing.
Surprised there's been no mention of Greta's aid mission to Gaza? The one where they kidnapped the crew in international waters, 'deported' four of them by plane, and are still holding and torturing the rest - one of whom is an MEP.
Ok not Gaza, but is it very much linked?
Has Trump said to Israel that he will keep supporting their Genocide so long as they take out Iran nuclear threat. Thats my conspiracy theory anyhow
Or is it’s Israel’s head just getting bigger and bigger
Trump said he was ‘aware’ that Israel intended to launch strikes, though claims that the US had no part in it.
So he essentially did what he’s done all along in Gaza, the West Bank etc… just shrugged and said “yeah, do whatever you like….”
I wonder if Israel is hoping to provoke a big attack from Iran to gain some sympathy, or at least deflect attention from the Gaza genocide.
How do you think the people of Gaza are going to do if Iran gets nukes and launches them at Israel? Just wondering.
I wonder if Israel is hoping to provoke a big attack from Iran to gain some sympathy, or at least deflect attention from the Gaza genocide
The Mullahs in Tehran and Netenyahu are two cheeks of the same arse. They’re both motivated by the same thing…. self-interest. Going starting all manner of shit all over the region purely for the purpose of keeping themselves in power
Unfortunately, neither of them give a shit about how many people have to die for them to achieve that. They’re both as bad as each other, which is unfortunate if you’re stuck in the middle of them.
Will Starmer be volunteering the RAF for duty defending against Iranian retaliation?
How do you think the people of Gaza are going to do if Iran gets nukes and launches them at Israel? Just wondering.
How much does Iran actually care about Gazans/Palestinians? Genuine question - I'm not really clued up on the wider Middle East politics & relations.
Does Iran have much connection with Palestinians? Or is it (from Iran's point of view) just a useful tool to attack Israel with?
The whole nuke situation is complex anyway. Assuming Iran is actively trying to make a bomb - then what? Declare it, and use it as most countries use nuclear capabilities, as a threat and deterrent? Or are they serious/fanatical enough to actually want to hit Israel, in which case keep it secret until they just fire the thing? And making it is only half the story, they still need to deliver it. Israel has good air defences. It would be a waste to spend all these years making the thing just to watch it rain down in bits over Syria or somewhere.
Just thinking out loud really. Probably displaying my ignorance in many areas!
Upon me wondering what Iran will do next, a friend said "the first thing you do when predicting the future is to look to the past. The first thing you learn from the past is that you can't predict the future."
True but unhelpful!
Will Starmer be volunteering the RAF for duty defending against Iranian retaliation?
I don’t think he will, although he still needs to grow a pair, he does appear to be distancing from US views on this
How much does Iran actually care about Gazans/Palestinians? Genuine question - I'm not really clued up on the wider Middle East politics & relations
The hardline lunatics running Iran couldn’t give a flying **** about their own people, most of whom want rid of their despotic autocracy. So they torture and murder any of them, without a second thought, if they dare to criticise the regime.
So, despite their posturing, you can probably guess how much they actually care about the Palestinians (or anyone else other than themselves, for that matter)
Assuming Iran is actively trying to make a bomb - then what? Declare it, and use it as most countries use nuclear capabilities, as a threat and deterrent
They want to be a nuclear power so they can threaten everyone else in the region, who will be asking the same question as you did… are they actually mad enough to use it?
If they did actually have a nuclear capability it would immediately start a huge new arms race as absolutely nobody in the Middle East would want the nutters in Tehran holding that over them all. So Saudi would be the first to also want a nuclear capability too, closely followed by everyone else
Its safe to say that absolutely no other country on the planet would be happy to see Iran become a nuclear power, apart from maybe Russia, but that probably would be a step too far even for Putin
Doesn't Iran have a commitment to remove Israel? Not the sort of neighbour I'd want if I saw them unboxing a bazooka.
Nadine shah not in the mood to mince her words on the ****ing cowards at the BBC for deciding not to show her brothers film, she’s quite right to……whatever abuse they receive it’s entirely justified
Doesn't Iran have a commitment to remove Israel? Not the sort of neighbour I'd want if I saw them unboxing a bazooka.
Israel seem rather more keen and committed to removing Iran, and they demonstrate their commitment with an unprovoked military campaign. Israel have been claiming Iran are months away from developing a nuclear bomb for decades and using it as an excuse to destabilize the region. Israel is the neighbour with the bazooka, and they use it to intimidate and terrorise the neighbourhood.
Israel has more than just a commitment to "remove" Palestine from the face of the Earth
Yet, apparently they're not going to ethnically cleanse Gaza?
What do we think today's atrocity will be - opening fire on another food queue in "self defence"?
Or something more imaginative?
What do we think today's atrocity will be - opening fire on another food queue in "self defence"?
The IDF have been murdering Palestinians seeking aid every day. The fact that it has not been getting much news coverage is a testament to how effective Netanyahu's decision to attack Iran has been in diverting attention away from the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza.
The IDF murdered at least 24 Palestinians waiting for aid yesterday.
On Friday at least 24 people waiting for aid were killed by Israeli fire in central Gaza, according to local health authorities, in addition to other deaths by airstrikes.
Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed in recent weeks while trying either to reach aid distribution points managed by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), a secretive US- and Israel-backed organisation that recently started to hand out food in the territory or, more recently, to offload the limited number of UN and commercial vehicles carrying flour and some other basics.
Meanwhile the BBC are not even pretending to be a news organisation any more.
Starve the population, then slaughter them as they try and get aid, to make the remaining starving population fearful of even attempting to feed themselves and their families. It is unimaginable cruelty for most of us but not for the Israel regime and most of the western governments who are happy to turn a blind eye.
Meanwhile the poor wee lambs (sacrificial?) can't get on a flight to flee Israel due to the airspace currently closed down to commercial flights so our government are laying on an exit strategy for them.
How easy was it for british nationals to flee Palestine?, did the British government lay on flights for them?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdez72x9pkdo
Starmsky's now saying it's inappropriate to have those three young men perform (at Glasto).
Starmsky's now saying it's inappropriate to have those three young men perform (at Glasto).
To no one’s surprise at all, the “Henry Jackson” society just being ****s
https://twitter.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1937279375260754053
I think he’s so far out of *ing touch that I consider Kier to be death for the Labour Party. He’s utterly *ing irreverent to every single person I know, as is the Labour Party.
He is immune to objections. He is riding the wave of power at the moment and will use all the power he can to silence oppositions. Just keep observing.
One soldier who spoke anonymously with Haaretz described the approach routes to the aid sites as a “killing field” where Israeli forces open fire even if there is no immediate threat. According to the article, Israeli forces recently began dispersing crowds with artillery shells, which resulted in a sharp rise in casualties.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/27/middleeast/idf-gaza-aid-distribution-orders-intl-latam
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Israel Katz have also rejected the report as “vicious lies designed to discredit the IDF – the most moral army in the world.”
And who is publishing vicious lies to discredit the most moral army in the world? Israel's oldest newspaper. Presumably Haaretz has now, for whatever reason, decided to help Hamas.
Netanyahu has also accused Haaretz of "blood libel" one of the oldest anti-semitic tropes. So Haaretz is apparently now anti-semitic.
This current far-right Israeli government has reached such staggering levels of dishonesty that in that respect it is no different to Nazis Germany or North Korea. I mean ridiculous claims such as "the most moral army in the world" are exactly the sort of claims that officers of the Waffen-SS would have made.
I mean ridiculous claims such as "the most moral army in the world" are exactly the sort of claims that officers of the Waffen-SS would have made.
Well I see that the IDF are investigating these claims, so I'm sure the miscreants (if, indeed, there were any, and these folk were actually killed by Hamas, or not killed at all, just lying very still on the ground) will be swiftly brought to justice. After all, rule of law is a mark of a functioning democracy.
Shame on the BBC, but well done C4
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jun/28/channel-4-to-show-bbc-commissioned-documentary-gaza-doctors-under-attack
From the article :
"We have come to the conclusion that broadcasting this material risked creating a perception of partiality that would not meet the high standards that the public rightly expect of the BBC"
High standards? The only reason they are concerned about "perception of partiality" is because the accusations are directed at Israel.
They would have absolutely no qualms whatsoever reporting accusations of war crimes or atrocities directed at say Russia or China.
High standards don't involve double standards.
I have always been a huge defender of the BBC as it has relentlessly faced criticism from all sides, believing that it was a British institution which was an example to the world and that Britain could be truly proud of.
The BBC's reporting of the Gaza "war" has been nothing short of shocking and disgraceful imo. It shows just how much the BBC fears the sitting government post their expose of the dodgy Iraq dossier.
Daniel Levy speaking the truth regarding (I consider it so) Israel
I have always been a huge defender of the BBC as it has relentlessly faced criticism from all sides, believing that it was a British institution which was an example to the world and that Britain could be truly proud of.
The BBC News was something we always watched, more or less by default. Likewise Newsnight. Nowadays we never watch any BBC News programmes. The choice of what to report, and then how they report it, are just too blatant. It's like the Mail on telly. They have some good journalists - I'm looking forward to reading Orla Guerin's autobiography, if she lives to write it - but their reports are few and far between now.
Yeah but you can't blame the BBC itself for that, the blame lies squarely with the Labour Party and Alistair Campbell in particular.
The BBC told the truth about Campbell's/Blair's dodgy Iraq dossier and as a consequence the BBC's Chairman and Director General were sacked.
Eventually the BBC were vindicated and now everyone fully accepts that Campbell's/Blair's Iraq dossier was very dodgy indeed , but by then the damage had been done and to this day the BBC is terrified of upsetting any sitting government.
You can't realistically expect the BBC to tell the truth about the genocide in Gaza if its Chairman and Director General are likely to be sacked for upsetting the government.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/jan/28/davidkelly.hutton2
Israel Defense Forces warned of “military operations [that] will escalate, intensify, and extend westward to the city centre to destroy the capabilities of terrorist organisations”
For nearly two years one of the best equipped armed forces in the world has thrown everything at a tiny overcrowded strip of land with no defences and still they haven't managed to defeat Hamas, despite officially declaring months ago that Hamas had been totally defeated.
In fact the situation is so serious that they now need to 'escalate and intensify' military operations, after 20 months.
What's gone wrong, not enough weapons to do the job? Starving the population hasn't worked? Not enough people slaughtered? Can't break the morale? Too incompetent? There must surely be an explanation.
