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Yeah, I'm not going to buy cheap Chinese tyres unless they win the review competition. I don't buy this sort of tyre on price, I buy on performance. If that costs a few more £'s, so be it.
I mean if they're vaguely comparable in performance to premium tyres and priced lower, I'll take a look. But those Rotallas don't seem to be quite there yet.
I haven't seen them for a while but Kleber Quadraxers used to be a good budget all season for example. I seem to remember them being about half the price of a CC1.
When I was waiting in the tyre place reception for my current set to be fitted, most people were just asking for the cheapest option.
When I look at what shorter life and higher rolling resistance will cost I'm failing to find value in these Cinese tyres linked compared with Conti and Michelin.
Rotalla on our Leon outlasted the CrossClimates on the Ibiza....
And yet the Cross Climates out lasted the Conti eco contact Summer tyres on the front of the Zoe. 23000km versus 17000km. Both dreadful I know, the current ones should last mch longer as Madame is using the car more than me. I was just using the less anecdotal tests others have linked to work out which were best long term value.
ive ended up due to not having much available and poor planning on "Ilink" all season tires on the family car.
wont be doing that again.
They are better than summer tires...they are ok in snow. they are horrendous on ice/hardpack snow.
Normally i use the vredstein quadtrac or Goodyear ultragrip winters. its like night and day. Meanwhile the michelin agilis summer tires on the van - they were getting themselves stuck on flat ground......
About 18 months ago (hence my lack of speciality on duration and mileage) I had 3 Michelin Pilot tyres fail when the tread started to get a sawtooth pattern on the inner edge. 3 because one got punctured so replaced.
They failed well within their so many years warranty validity and a long way under the warranted mileage (Michelin phone support told me my mileage was too low! At about 6K a year)
The tyre place (STS) said they were certainly faulty and they’d deal with sending to Michelin for a claim.
I’ve used Michelin tyres on my cars for menu years and been happy. This I was surprise to get an email months later stating that “the failure may not be due to a fault on construction” or words to that effect.
I asked for it to be escalated. Months later the exact same phrase. I gave up but will hesitate to buy Michelin again.
When I look at what shorter life and higher rolling resistance will cost I'm failing to find value in these Cinese tyres linked compared with Conti and Michelin.
I've previously bought on that basis, but as a low-miles user my tyres tend to age/crack before wearing down the tread so I don't get the longer-lasting benefit. Replaced Pirelli all-seasons at 7yrs/31k miles with 4mm+ tread due to cracking. Now have (not even) vaguely comparable in performance Nankang AW8s in commercial rated 215/65r16C for the van. They won't last as long or perform as well, but if they last 7yrs/31k miles I'll be happy at approx 50% the cost of Crossclimates. Not kidding myself that they're comparable performance to CCs but they feel good (not 'glassy' vague steering like some terrible Nankang winter tyres I inherited years ago) and performed well in last week's snow.
Similar with the car. I chose Bridgestone WeatherControl A005 EVOs as 2/3 the price of CC2s as well as being a less extreme all-season than the CC2 which suits my use.
My soon to be delivered car unfortunately has 20" wheels on (235/45/R20). Is there any point in putting CC2/3 on wheels like this?
I'm still faithfully using CC2.
Current set are on a 180HP Diesel AWD Kuga. About 28k miles in on them, about 2 1/4 years. and still bags of tread left (started at 7mm when new, currently down to between 4.5 and 4.9 mm tread remaining, all round.. I did rotate front to back about a year ago. I'm really happy with that as the previous front tyres (unheatd of branded ones that were new onnthe car when I bought it) went from new to worn out in 20k miles.
Suspect its the updated CC3 for me next time.
235/50 R18, 97rating (purposely avoided the 101 rating to get a quieter / lass harsh ride).
When I was waiting in the tyre place reception for my current set to be fitted, most people were just asking for the cheapest option.
When I was running the £250 Saab I asked the fitting centre boss what tyres he would put on his mum's car and went with those. I was happy with the tyres as they went well in Beast from the East weather, though they cost more than I paid for the car.
I've just got a pair of CC3 sports fitted for £130 per tyre. Only twice as much as a Maxxis DD, so good value as far as I'm concerned.
The reinforced casing on the sport model is noticeably stiffer than the old ones. On low profile tyres this makes me marginally less worried about square edged potholes. If only they made diesel estate cars with a rearward axle path then I'd be all set.
£130 😮 Black Circles are quoting £260 a corner for my size….
£130 😮 Black Circles are quoting £260 a corner for my size….
Dint know they did them for wheelbarrows hence the £130...🙃
I 'had' to have CC2's when I changed mine last year. The 3's were a couple of months away and I had an egg in a tyre wall. I managed to miss Michelin's annual cash back extravaganza by a day as well. IIRC during the month of May from 01 of the month. Not sure if they're doing it again this year as they obviously don't advertise it in advance.
My CC2's had a puncture on a Saturday night, no spare, so a random cheapy was put on as temporary get me home. Suppose I'll have to at least buy 2 now. New MTB will have to wait.
in addition to the post above - we recently changed the family car - we went from ilink to Goodyear efficient grip.
Dear god - once again if this is what the general populus are believing is a suitable all round tire no wonder we are doomed.
they make the ilink all season look like a tremendously capable winter tire.
Got stuck on a dusting of snow on an incline. then getting back down using the lightest regen setting at the slowest of speeds it locked the wheels - then the abs had kittens as the car slid to a stop just past the Junction.
got to work - and everyone still running "summer" eco tires on their EVs was moaning about the same poor performance.
full winters on steels to be bought before next winter - The EV power delivery seems to compound the hopelessness of the tires.
In Austria this week. Had cross climates for the last few years, very happy as an all year tyre. Have coped with some UK snow.
I'm fully aware they are not a full winter, but very disappointed with their performance in proper Austrian snow on an Audi Quattro.
We are completely reliant on snow chains this week however most people running full winter tyres seem fine without chains. Years ago had 2 sets of wheels but I hoped with the cross climates and quattro I could stop having 4 wheels taking up a bike sized space in the garage
Local ATS,17 inch alloys on a Skoda estate
I mentioned up there ^ missing Michelin's annual cashback 'bonanza'. Well it appears to be here again so if you're swithering over making the leap, mebbies this will help:
