The Dominos will still have been lovely
I dunno. At least have something nice, like a kebab.
Speaking from personal experience (having been diagnosed by several GPs as 'depressed'), it is within their control.
Biggest BS post I've ever read on here. Congratulations 🙂
Jamie - MemberThe Dominos will still have been lovely
I dunno. At least have something nice, like a kebab
I'm not passing a kebab shop later.
Ok. I'll have one on your behalf.
weeksy - MemberI'm overweight...
I'm having a large Dominos tonight...
I'd love to care.... but i just don't.
I trained hard today... i'll train hard tomorrow...
Friday... i'll still be overwieght...
The Dominos will still have been lovely
what're you training for? I would've thought eating healthily and training for some sort of event would go hand in hand. Afterall, if you want to do your best, then you have to be physically at your best.
I've heard it all now!! Nothing to do with the supersize fries & burger being consumed along with that "diet" drink of course! It's pretty obvious that portion/packet size has increased massively in the last 20/30 years or so. eg when I was growing up, if you wanted some crisps, you had a small bag of crisps. There weren't these massive "sharing" bags you get now (which people seem more than happy to consume on their own!)
No, decreased response to sugar has nothing to do with the supersize fries and burger - although the fact that you can't get a sugar hit so easily might potentially mean you're more likely to eat more lovely sweet processed food.
You can read the abstract of the study here,
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S003193841200193X
It isn't just portion size although clearly in the USA that is a big issue, hence the battles against ridiculous portions, and the (evil) food industry fighting to keep them. We have changed how foods are made, made them sweeter, created 'healthy drinks' full of artificial sweeteners that reduce peoples sugar responses and make them eat more sugary foods in the long term, added more sugar to loads of foods to make them fit our current tastes for more sweet food. All manner of stuff has changed, and it isn't just about stopping people stuffing their mouths full of food. When even the things sold as 'diet' are turning out to be bad for us, you can see how people find it hard to know how to be healthy. Particularly in a world where despite the obvious evidence that eating home cooked food from ingredients is the most healthy thing to do, the vast majority of the 'information' we are given about eating relates to purchaseable branded products ie. unhealthy processed foods.
what're you training for? I would've thought eating healthily and training for some sort of event would go hand in hand. Afterall, if you want to do your best, then you have to be physically at your best
Just day to day stuff mate.
I'm never going to win Gorrick races, even if i dropped 3st to take me to 12st, i'm not going to beat blokes like NJee, it's not happening.
I always want to do my best... but there are limitations, both self imposed and also by my phyiscal limits.
I on the other hand would do quite well racing if I dropped 3st. I won't though.. maybe 1.5st at best.
You live in an ethically reared ivory tower. There are many reasons why, but that sweeping statement appears to be made from a very nice place indeed.
What did you want here, a bunch of menus composed entirely of asda smart price fruit and veg?
I only mean it is physically available. People may not know how to eat or live healthy.
I went from well built, toned and fit to being 19 stone in my early forties and have spent the last year or two losing it to get back to a good weight for my build and being fit again.
In my personal experience it's was mostly just lacking self discipline, eating too much and doing too little. It's very easy to blame other people or circumstance for obesity and there is a multi billion pound industry happy to agree with you and offer you a solution (at a cost).
Truth be told for 90% of people who are fat it's simply a case of sticking too much tucker in your pie hole and doing nothing to burn it off. Does that warrant people being prejudiced, no but equally fat people need to be told to stop being fat and the best way to avoid feeling bad about your weight is to sort it out..
molgrips - Member
I on the other hand would do quite well racing if I dropped 3st. I won't though.. maybe 1.5st at best
Depends what you class as 'well' really.
I rekon i'd get top 20 in 'fun' maybe top 25 in Sport...
However, i'm never going to win Elite races unless i put an engine on it.
a bunch of menus composed entirely of asda smart price fruit and veg?
A bit back someone did this, and their 'dirt cheap' recipe for pasta sauce included "a glass of chianti that was left in the bottle: cost = zero", along with a load of storecupboard herbs and things at cost = zero.
However, i'm never going to win Elite races unless i put an engine on it.
Or are a genetic freak. Compete in Sport / Expert is fairly easy, just takes a lot of dedication (I managed it and I'm not a natural). To do well in Elite is a huge jump up and training alone won't get you on the podium, you need to be born with an obscene aerobic system and then train like a bastard for years...
I take it today isn't one of your "2" days then 😀I'm having a large Dominos tonight...
weeksy - Memberwhat're you training for? I would've thought eating healthily and training for some sort of event would go hand in hand. Afterall, if you want to do your best, then you have to be physically at your best
Just day to day stuff mate.
I'm never going to win Gorrick races, even if i dropped 3st to take me to 12st, i'm not going to beat blokes like NJee, it's not happening.
I always want to do my best... but there are limitations, both self imposed and also by my phyiscal limits.
Fair do's, I guess it's good to strike the right balance that you're happy with - that's the most important thing.
You are preaching to the choir mate! Agree with all that. Not sold on the notion that "diet" drinks make people fat though. Yes there may be some tenuous evidence, but at the end of the day sugar is not crack cocaine. It is very easy to say "no". People don't need yet more excuses.It isn't just portion size although clearly in the USA that is a big issue, hence the battles against ridiculous portions, and the (evil) food industry fighting to keep them. We have changed how foods are made, made them sweeter, created 'healthy drinks' full of artificial sweeteners that reduce peoples sugar responses and make them eat more sugary foods in the long term, added more sugar to loads of foods to make them fit our current tastes for more sweet food. All manner of stuff has changed, and it isn't just about stopping people stuffing their mouths full of food. When even the things sold as 'diet' are turning out to be bad for us, you can see how people find it hard to know how to be healthy. Particularly in a world where despite the obvious evidence that eating home cooked food from ingredients is the most healthy thing to do, the vast majority of the 'information' we are given about eating relates to purchaseable branded products ie. unhealthy processed foods.
Truth be told for 90% of people who are fat it's simply a case of sticking too much tucker in your pie hole and doing nothing to burn it off.
Yes but why do people eat too much and not exercise enough, when they know full well that it makes them fat?
Is that a trick question?
It's rhetorical.
Dont see the overweight as a subspecies, their genetically no different to anyone else.
I do see them(me)as victims of a food industry that spends a lot of money surrounding us with and selling us shit thats bad.
So a bit weak perhaps, but Ive never met someone without one or two weaknesses.
It does however make me angry to see obese kids, that is child abuse.
Increased packet sizes? If anything the size of what you get for your money has shrunk dramatically in the last few years. It's just the artful packaging (fewer crisps in the same sized flow wrap bag for example) that misleads people, as it was meant to.
It's rhetorical.
What was your point then ?
It's rhetorical.
No. It's a potato, and they are bad. Apparently.
even sweet potatoes 😯
Can I eat them if I call them Yams?
Can I eat them if I call them Yams?
That would be racist.
It does however make me angry to see obese kids, that is child abuse.
Well you should hold fire there too. Our kid is pretty damn chunky, but she always has been ever since she was still being breast fed. And she eats pretty well compared to most kids. And surprisingly little of it too, which makes me wonder what she's actually made of.
So of course many kids are being overfed, but don't judge without knowing. Which is the point of this thread.
Is it so wrong to have a dig a fat people? It seems to be socially acceptable to have a dig at smokers. Both are bad for the individual, is it wrong to encourage a healthy body through mocking/abuse?
No
I put the following on facebook after the missus exercise shy aunt posted a load of crap on facebook about how I was useless and deserved no sympathy for breaking my arm and should grow up etc etc etc.
[i]"If one more fat person tells me to take up a sensible for of exercise I'm going to repeat the question back to them, then punch them" [/i]
Her husband came upto me at a family gathering and shook my hand and said [i]"you're brave".[/i]
joolsburger - Member
I went from well built, toned and fit to being 19 stone in my early forties and have spent the last year or two losing it to get back to a good weight for my build and being fit again.
In my personal experience it's was mostly just lacking self discipline, eating too much and doing too little. It's very easy to blame other people or circumstance for obesity and there is a multi billion pound industry happy to agree with you and offer you a solution (at a cost).Truth be told for 90% of people who are fat it's simply a case of sticking too much tucker in your pie hole and doing nothing to burn it off. Does that warrant people being prejudiced, no but equally fat people need to be told to stop being fat and the best way to avoid feeling bad about your weight is to sort it out..
+1, in general of course. Also IMO, of course.
Most (pretty much all) of the people I know who are overweight and complain about it while trying to lose weight, don't seem to be trying very hard.
Daily 'treats', very little exercise, driving short distances instead of walking, forgetting to include certain things they've eaten in their 'calorie counting' but they complain that the weight isn't coming off.
I am not saying it is easy, as I don't believe it is. But kidding yourself that you are doing all you can and you can't possibly eat any less than you do or exercise anymore than you currently do, when 'treating' yourself to a grab bag of crisps on a Fri night (800 cals) and then 'burning it off' by walking a mile the next morning isn't going to work.
Molegrips-
I used the term obese as opposed to overweight and meant in the sense most of use would recognise as obese.
Kids do go through stages when there "chunky" grow out of it with age.
Theres a difference though, theres kids that are seriously obese to the extent that it stops them participating in activities and probably lowers there self esteem.
I feel sorry for them, almost guilty for my part in the society that lets that happen to so many kids.
just appeared on my twitter timeline:
[i]A type of liver disease once thought to afflict primarily adult alcoholics appears to be rampant in children.
Some 1 in 10 children in the U.S., or more than 7 million, are thought to have the disease, according to recent studies.
The condition, in which the normally rust-colored organ becomes bloated and discolored by yellowish fat cells, has become so common in non-drinkers that it has been dubbed nonalcoholic fatty liver disease.[/i]
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Our kid is pretty damn chunky, but she always has been ever since she was still being breast fed. And she eats pretty well compared to most kids. And surprisingly little of it too, which makes me wonder what she's actually made of.
Conversely, my kids eat like horses - we just can't fill them up - but remain skinny despite watching "too much" TV and occasionally being driven to school.
Wwaswas, while you're here I'll get my red pen out and correct your error from page 2. 😀
Natural, unprocessed fats, including animal fats are not unhealthy (in moderation of course). Quite the opposite, in fact. And in general, people aren't fat because they eat too much fat, sugar is the main culprit. In any case, eating fat doesn't make you fat - it's all turned to energy in the body. It's only when you have a surplus of energy that it (whatever it was, sugar, fat, etc) gets transformed into fat to be stored.although cheap meat tends to either be very fatty (and therefore unhealthy)
The myth of natural fats being bad for you is something which (tinfoil hat on) has been peddled to us by corporations trying to sell us their so-called "healthy" alternatives.
But kidding yourself
Kidding yourself is the root cause of a lot of problems, not just weight.
Re livers.. high fructose corn syrup is in most processed foods in the US, it's really quite amazing. And parents actually let their kids drink soda, it's a normal thing to be drinking for adults and kids alike.
Conversation at work this week with a new work colleague lady person.
Lady: "So like yeah, we had a pizzabab at like 3am"
Me:"A what"
Lady:"A pizzabab"
Me:"Tell me that's what I think it is"
Lady:"It's a calzone, but stuffed with kebab meat"
Me:"Oh my"
It's no help to this topic, but I [b]have[/b] to try one of these pizzababs as soon as possible, so this is kind of a PSA, and anyhow this thread is slowly disappearing up its own potato.
The nation is simply 'Over fed, but under nourished'!
A type of liver disease once thought to afflict primarily adult alcoholics appears to be rampant in children.Some 1 in 10 children in the U.S., or more than 7 million, are thought to have the disease, according to recent studies.
The condition, in which the normally rust-colored organ becomes bloated and discolored by yellowish fat cells, has become so common in non-drinkers that it has been dubbed nonalcoholic fatty liver disease.
They should get their kids to drink more beer then....
I'm surprised at the responses like 'BS' and 'clinically stupid' to the person who said from their experience, recovery is within a depressed person's control.
I also believe that to be largely (though not universally) true. I'm unable to tolerate most medications and over the past year, I've realised that I have to help myself, and have had success with managing depression, frequent migraine, and a back problem. I think people are more in control of their lives than they realise.
I would posit, that with the exception of medical causation, problems are primarily educational. Education on what to eat, how to eat and when to eat seems obvious, but hasn't been on a school syllabus for a long time. This site is interesting on budget eating http://agirlcalledjack.com/
With regard to sugar addiction, this is also quite interesting, and from the talk I attended today, it seems that teenage alcohol intake similarly affects impulse control. http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/0/21835302
I have skimmed some of this thread so please forgive any repetition..
Ridicule of other people is never really acceptable.
But we are just people with faults an' all
Good to be reminded sometimes that all them others out there have feelings, hopes and fears too.
Fatty & skinny went to bed
Fatty rolled over & skinny was dead!
We're all going to die
Sorry, I thought you said "fatalism"...
I firmly blame parents. If you've known years of a bad diet/lack of motivation it becomes ingrained. Like quitting smoking.
When I was a kid I stayed at a friends house for a weekend. Every meal was fried. I was almost sick by the end. We never had anything fried at home.
We are all overweight? Apparently I should be 13.5stone. I'm 16 currently. If I dropped 0.5 I'd be spot on. The stats are crock. My gut needs a trim but I'm still in 34" pants - wear the same jeans from 10yrs ago.
Hope you've washed them
I agree with hora regarding parents. Fizzy drinks and Greggs sausage rolls seem to be a kid in a buggies staple diet in most larger towns in this country, and that's where it all begins.
