[Closed] Fat-ism - how many of you are? Be honest.

Although rarely see a fat Italian or Spaniard.

You've obviously never worked in a Spanish office, then. I'd say about 95% of the guys around my age (44) are overweight.

And that second gif is great!

I'm with Trump 😯

I just messaged her with a healthy idea that we have to avoid diabetes, metabolic syndrome and cancer that has been running in the family.

She messaged me her home gym - looks great but bloody use it then or sell it.

I'll be visiting to show her how to use it and not die in her 40's.

She's honest and tells me she hates exercise and loves food. It's her choice to change.

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on the subject of people (often women) who are fat to the point of being self-destructive, I thought this article was quite thought-provoking and sympathetic

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303768104577462562370062738

Because being fat will kill you?

wrong.

because being unhealthy will kill you.

I'm over-weight, I'm perfectly healthy, workout 3 times a week, ride, but I'm over weight.

There's a lot of evidence showing that carrying a stone or so more that is "ideal" is not in any way bad for your health generally

You can definitely be overweight and fit but 30Kg over and not doing any exercise?

True you can be overweight/fat and be healthy/happy/who cares what others think.

Some of us can't tolerate things, I know visceral fat in my family kills us with diabetes and high blood pressure.

Whilst others can be obese but have no problems with high sugar diets.

Not everyone who smokes will get cancer, just the majority.

My sister is sedentary, not working, eats junk and that's her choice! but the long terms effects can already be seen.

[url= http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/12December/Pages/The-idea-you-can-be-fat-but-fit-is-a-myth-study-argues.aspx ]Overweight and Fit Myth[/url]

being fit is a lot more important than being the right weight, for your health.

Thin people that do no exercise can have a lot of fat round their internals, which is pretty bad for them and worse than belly fat.

However most fat people you see also do no exercise.

This is fine maybe in somewhere that doesn't have our healthcare system, but here if you are putting, or going to put, an extra strain on the health system because of your sloth then that is likely to be taking resources away from treating people with non-self-inflicted diseases.

It's the same sort of objection I feel towards people riding non-trivial stuff without helmets on, their choice and they obviously feel OK with costing everyone else when they have to help you after an accident with more injuries than were necessary.

[i]She's honest and tells me she hates exercise...[/i]

She probably just hates her home gym!

ton -
embrace the fat

I already said that 🙂

😆

Being overweight isn't for me. I like boobs a lot, but not when they are mine.

My sister is sedentary, not working, eats junk and that's her choice! but the long terms effects can already be seen.

Sounds like my sister!

We've talked to her, parents have talked to her, doctors have warned her, but she doesn't seem to GAF.

The thing that really annoys us is she has gone to great lengths to adopt 2 young children (now 6 and 3), but she's too fat to play with them or walk with them. And she'll probably be dead before they reach their teens.

As an aside interesting to see how much things have changed when you consider there was a character in the Beano, Bash St Kids, called 'Fatty' - where everyone including the teacher used to deride him for being fat & lazy.
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I'm definitely fatist. I see it the same as smoking or drinking to excess, it's a self control issue that costs everyone as well as the person themselves in extra NHS costs.

I work with a chap who is thirty stone, he does no exercise and is mostly sedentary. He has enormous health problems, sleep apnea and so on. He goes to the doctor more than anyone I know without a serious or chronic illness. And he has no desire to change, which costs everyone money.

Now I'm part of the problem here too. I've gone up to 13.5 stone at 5'10" in the last year. I am less well than I used to be, can't ride as fast. My sister teases me about my gut. But at least I am aware that it's a problem and am prepared to do something about it.

the-muffin-man - Member

The thing that really annoys us is she has gone to great lengths to adopt 2 young children (now 6 and 3), but she's too fat to play with them or walk with them. And she'll probably be dead before they reach their teens.

Interesting that you say that, because our daughter being born last October seems to have been the catalyst for my sis-in-law to actually do something about her health problems.

She realised that if she didn't then looking after her niece, taking her away for weekends, even going for a walk in the park with her would be impossible.
And to her credit, she has worked massively hard to lose weight. And she's spurred her partner, Mum, Dad & daughter into doing the same (they are all significantly overweight).

As an aside interesting to see how much things have changed when you consider there was a character in the Beano, Bash St Kids, called 'Fatty' - where everyone including the teacher used to deride him for being fat & lazy.

OP..

You say she's wealthy, yes?

Married?

being a bit fat seems to have become the norm. 30-40yrs ago not many people were fat and most people were normal weight. Now it's the other way around. If you're normal weight you're the minority and called skinny.

[url= http://thescienceexplorer.com/brain-and-body/overweight-people-actually-tend-live-longer-normal-weight-individuals ]Overweight people live longer[/url]

But I must admit I am repulsed by overweight people, women more so than men.

But I must admit I am repulsed by overweight people

If you're normal weight you're the minority and called skinny.

Sorry bikebuoy, she's married to some CFO, who also has got fat.

My wife also became overweight but while the stomach stayed flat, she grew perfectly curved rear and toned hung chest like a playboy bunny centrefold and I had to fight off the wolves, it was great but her self esteem and health were affected. She has sadly lost weight but is healthier.

However my wife did actually say she found me hot when I was race fit and was completely turned off/sickened when I was obese and was overjoyed by me losing the lard.

Double standards. 😡

I still was attracted and loved my missus while she loved me but was in fear of being killed if I rolled over in my sleep and used a barge pole to keep me at arms length. She admitted she like slim guys and not fat or bodybuilder type physiques.

Self esteem aside, it is unhealthy and increases risk of metabolic syndrome diseases.

We should not judge others on how they look but we should look after our own health. It's a choice.

Have you tried to engage with her about her low hanging fruit, maybe you devise a mime to celebrate her size, you could perform it together.......

You cheeky boy!

I'm by no means a paragon of virtue, you just need to look at my gut/moobs to see that. However I do ride a good 60 miles a week and am running (staggering) the 5k home from the station imminently.

I guess I am fattist. If I see someone who is so large as to be unable to walk up some stairs and deems this to be acceptable it frankly pisses me off. Conversely I could see someone jabba the hutt size going for a walk/run/ride and I think fair play to them.

Interestingly my mother who is fairly sedentary because of an issue with her back and has increased in size whilst claiming to not eat much crap. Recent stroke she suffered will hopefully kick her into touch. It's interesting getting her to open up about it and trying to get her to help herself 🙁

I put on 1 pound (165lbs to 166lbs) and my Tanita body composition scale called me obese. 😯

I find fat people physically unattractive, some more than others and the general theme is the fatter the less attractive. But that said, I don't gauge a person's worth by how attractive I find them, in fact I think that would be one of the worst ways to gauge an individual. I have fat friends of both sexes and wouldn't think twice about being seen out with them or worry that someone would think they were my partner. I wouldn't offer an opinion on someone's size unless asked, as frankly is not my business unless asked.

I have separated from a partner who started the relationship slim and active. This soon slid into inactivity and growing porkdom. I found both the laziness and the excusing of this, unattractive and this impacted on our interpersonal relationship, and physically I found myself having to think about screwing other people to get through sex. This really wasn't healthy for either of us, so headed our separate ways.
I don't think you can fundamentally change your wiring, but if you fall in to mistaking attractiveness for worth, then you're in trouble.

I'm 6ft 110kg so a good 10kg over my fighting weight. I'm not a slightly built man never have been but I recognise that I need to drop a few kg and am doing so. Happily I'm very healthy otherwise having had a full mot recently.
My brother is 10 years older and morbidly obese my mother is dead from obesity and died at 63 he is heading the same way. I take it upon myself to try and get that through his head almost every time I see him. I do this because I love him and being that fat will kill him early the stupid bastard.

Fat people need telling

Costa!

Dear me have some respect.

There's a couple of overweight kids in my daughters swimming class. I try not to be a judgemental prick, but it's hard when you see them going straight to vending machine for 500ml bottle of coke and a chocolate bar. Parents need a ****in hard slap.

if you fall in to mistaking attractiveness for worth, then you're in trouble.

Spot on.

I'm honest.
Me. I acknowledge that I could drop a stone and still not be underweight . And its all belly.
I also can't stand it and can't stand the lack of will power that keeps it there. It looks bad. The human body isn't meant to carry that weight, its not the natural default so its wrong.
People who are overweight generally lack the will power or self respect to sort it out. Like me but often worse. I don't like that sort of person.
Not interested in objections based on the odd "genuine" excuse.
Way to many people out there are slobs who need to get of their arses and do some exercise and cut out eating the crap.
Its not good for them but I don't care about that but its not good for our health service. I also object to smokers, drug users and any other group that makes a huge impact on our NHS due to their own lack of self control.
Luckily I am allowed, nay encouraged, to think that way here as the STW vibe is to allow people their own little foibles.
And to the OP. If you can't be honest to your family then who can you be honest to?

There's a book by Lionel Shriver called "Big Brother" that seems quite pertinent to the OP.

Personally, I'm not fatist. I don't know many fat people. THere's a lad at work who's fat, although it's not something I consider. A lot of people in the office clearly do as there's always plenty of jibes slung his way. It's all too easy though, bottom of the barrel stuff, can't get any lower than that.

The fatism could be secondary though; something to consider e.g. maybe you really dislike your sister and her husband and that dislike manifests itself in you being fatist? I doubt that's the case, but I think some forms of fatism stem from a general dislike of a person, or of you yourself being not very tolerant/nice?

I think that's the case with the lad in my office; personally I like him, dead nice lad. But he's loud and opinionated which winds alot of people up.

Thought about offering advice for training as I was fat too but dropped 52kg and eat sensibly now.

depends what your definition of a fat person is? Just looks like you have a bit of sibling rivalry going on that extends to a bit of fatism and wealth. Still jolly nice of you to keep an eye out for the well being of your sister.

If we're talking about CARING about those we know who are unhealthy due to their weight, surely the best thing you can do is to give them some of your time, not lecture them about the obvious? Suggest a walk? Couch to 5k? A gentle cycle? A once a week evening walk might start a habit which will ultimately lead them to a healthier life.

She ain't heavy, she's my sister. As the song goes.

Last week we were in Edinburgh. Noticeable that everyone we saw was slim. Except at Waverley station and round the university. Must be a combination of steep hills and a crap tram.

Sir Mix A Lot to the forum.

OP - I have the same issues with ugly, short and poor people ...
And those who have velcro shoes
Or wear anything branded SuperDry
Or hold their knife and fork wrongly
And those who have their smug heads so far up their arses they never see sunlight

I don't have any black friends. It would [i]clearly[/i] be wrong of me to completely dismiss the possibility that I am/come across as a racist (although I try not to be).

I don't have any fat friends either.

🙂

Op - with your recent weight loss and your sisters recent weight gain do the rest of the family now refer to you as 'hunky' and 'chunky'?

I'm a fatiot (5'10" and currently strugglng between 15st -15st 5lb)

Lost approx 20lbs this summer (was a shade under 17st, heaviest ever) but another 20-odd to go. I don't judge all overweight people in such a way as I judge myself. I'm weak-willed around junk food and this is compounded by poor mobility owing to arthritis-caused joint-damage (a disease that helped kick-start weight gain when I was 30). My biggest issue is discipline/self-control - which is made more difficult by compromised mobility. To compound problems I hit the gym back in Feb - typical bull in china shop and damaged adductor muscle. Still giving major probs so just given 'complete rest' advice by doc. No bike. No gym. (No food?) 🙁

Edit - this summer actually felt had 'cracked' the food/exercise ratio as got back into cycling in a big way and began viewing healthy food as fuel rather than crap food as 'treat'.
Yet injury now means limited to polishing the new bike whilst gazing wistfully at these perfectly wasted autumn mornings/evenings 😡 m

Next year, (capricious) gods willing...