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So schuey is back. What's betting he'll pee all over Jenson? Or will JB be fired up after his championship?
Well it's certainly going to be an interesting season, particularly if none of the top teams (McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull, Merc) design a shocker. By my reckoning there's Alonso, Schumacher, Hamilton and Vettel who are all top line drivers in there along with possibly Button (let's see how he fares against Hamilton), Massa when things are going right and possibly Rosberg (though I suspect that if Schumi performs to his past level he'll mess with Nico's head by consistently beating him and he'll have a bad year...). If only Raikonnen was still there too!
Don't think he'll be the force he was before.
I think it will be a very bad year for Rosberg!
Don't think he'll be the force he was before.
I wouldn't put money on it. there have been plenty of similar aged World Champions and if anyone will be fit and raring to go it's Schumi...
Not that I ever liked him but I think that he'll certainly liven things up.
similar aged World Champions
Fangio etc?
Or are we talking about Fatty Mansell in Adelaide with his super sized car?
What's the point? Why can't he just stay retired? This smells of Simon Cowell to me.
I wouldn't put money on it. there have been plenty of similar aged World Champions and if anyone will be fit and raring to go it's Schumi...
Can't think of any 41 year old champions, it'll be interesting to see how he goes on and I realise that he'd only do it if he thought he was in with a shout but I don't think he'll have the edge he did.
Damon Hill was 36 iirc when he won the WC. Mansell must have been older still
if Shu-maker's negotiated a better car than Rosberg, he may do well. Can't imagine him being any faster in the same car. bound to have lost a bit of sharpness!
Can't wait to see the Button / Hamilton thing too. Can't see Button winning too many but fair play for him taking up the challenge.
Not convinced Alonso will beat Massi as a lot expect either - seems like not many people can drive that Ferrari! (their own test driver, Fissi etc)
should be good
Prost came out of retirment at 37/38 to win a WDC - albeit in a dominant car, but he still beat his team mate (Hill). Schuey won't have lost that much physically - his fitness and race prep was always the best of the field and he'll already be back working on that. He may have lost some of the uncompromising nature of his racing because he's got more used to family life, so it'll be interesting to see him up against some the current fighters like Lewis, Alonso and maybe Button.
I predict an Alonso/Hamiltion type relationship between Alonso and Massa - Alonso will soon start throwing his toys around when he gets soundly beaten race after race by Massa. Alonso is used to having whipping boys in the garage next to him and can't cope with a competitive driver in the same team.
And I can't wait for Schumacher to go wheel to wheel with Kobayashi!!!
The only time Schumi's likely to go wheel to wheel with Kobayashi is when he's lapping him - Sauber aren't exactly looking like they're flush with cash or a brilliant car (taking last year's car as a starting point).
Argh OP- you gave the game away with your title. Arghh thanks! Now I know that there will be spoilers on cars in next seasons F1! Thanks! 😆
Ps. All the motivation that Lewis now needs.... 😈
Every one bums Hamilton. I don't get it. Loads of people want to fire their soapy fish all over his dullard face. His car was clearly the best car when he won his season and when he came second, even tough Alonso beat him in the same car. So surely that makes Alonso the better driver? He did poo at the start of this last season cos his car sucked. When they sorted it he started winning races. No suprise. He is a good driver for sure but he's not that convincingly good. He is also so boring it hurts. In fact I hate Hamilton, boring over rated and oh yeah it turns out a dirty cheeting cock. Screw him I much prefer Button, who is also a clearly good driver. Better than alot of people give him credit for, whilst spunking over Hamilton cos he was on blue peter and 'even then you could see he was a champion'. I hope he crashes out and ruins his season. Shumacher won't do that well after so many years out. Plus Ferrari have had a howler of a car for the past 2 years I think.
I think he'll do well but I can't see him winning another championship. It's also VERY high risk for Mercedes as now they have their own F1 team, possibly the best developmental driver in the world (Schumacher), a young charger (Rosberg) and loads of cash.
If Mercedes aren't careful it's going to end up one of the more costly disasters in F1 history as just winning the odd race isn't going to be considered enough.
Shurrup Hora - I could've been breaking the massive news about USF1 saying they are definitely going to be on the grid!
To be fair, any F1 news was likely to be this!
Vettel v Schuey anyone?
And Hora, next year shall we plan sunday's rides to get back to a pub for the race start??
alex222, Lewis is the Golden Child. FACT.
Pook- sounds perfect to me.
Alex - I guess that I'd just say that armchair experts such as us can have any opinion but the fact is that people actually in F1 who know what they're on about actually rate Hamilton as something special and that's not just Brits.
FWIW, I would love it if Button proved to be his match but I just don't think he consistently will.
No he's not he is boring as sin and totally overated. Just cos you want to fill him with your man love doesn't make him amazing. Plus what are your credentials for this statement? Are you a veteran of F1?
........., even tough Alonso beat him in the same car. So surely that makes Alonso the better driver?
When was that then?
Alonso couldn't beat Hamilton - when Hamilton was in his rookie year, in the same car
Alex, you are a closet Hamiltonlover aren't you?
Agreed Hora. It's a bit like the kid at school who was always really homophobic and who, ten years later, turns out to have been gay all along. Classic self-hatred sort of thing.
This smells of Simon Cowell to me.
Nooooo! - not a come back single as well............... 😀
Ah! My coat. Why, thankyou.........
uplink - how many times did Alonso beat Lewis in 2007, and how many times did Lewis beat Alonso?
It was fairly close - Alonso took a couple more but Hamilton had many more wins & beat him in the championship - in the same car
I know he's very well rated. I also know that not one sports person in history has ever lived up to the hype that surrounds them. Whether he is truely the greatest can only be found out 1 way. Guess what it doesn't involve experts and arm chair experts saying what he will do it involves looking back at his career after he has achieved all of these things. Schumacher never got this much hype until he'd won about 5 on the bounce. So far Hamilton has failed to deliver and until he does deliver championship after chamionship on the bounce I won't beleive it. Raikonen beat him in his rookie year, when he was going to be the first driver in history to ever win in his rookie year. 1st fail then in the best car by a mile won.... Its a load of horse plop. Also the fact that he is THE MOST BORING DRIVER IN F1 EVER counts strongly against him, wheres the fire? Wheres the humour? Wheres the do or die excenticity? No where, just like him. It does my head in when people just assume that because some expert says something it true. Closet Hamiton fan? Maybe; only if he comes good. Then I'll bum him hard till then I'll remain sceptical.
My bad Raikonen beat him that year 😳
They finished up on equal points, 109 and equal victories at 4 each.
Seeing as it was hamiltons first year and if had not driven all of the tracks, that makes him the better driver in my book.
My bad Raikonen beat him that year
In fact Alonso has [b]NEVER[/b] beaten Hamilton over a full season
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uplink - 'The same car' is the moot point there! It probably was at the start of the season, but most likely wasn't at the end ;-). And they ended up with the same number of points, same number of wins with the championship rank decided on countback of 2nd places, with Lewis having 5 to Alosno's 4. Hardly a thrashing either way.
Never the less he is still a total boring nobber 😆
Not arguing with that - out of the car, at least 😉
alex222 - do you live in cloud cuckoo land!!!
In 3 seasons Hamilton has achieved more than most drivers do in 10 seasons.
[i]wheres the fire[/i]
Have you actually watched him race!!
[i]wheres the humour[/i]
Schuey has that in spades doesn't he! Humour doesn't win world championships. Even Vettel has quietened down his antics this year.
[i]So far Hamilton has failed to deliver [/i]
ROFLMAO!!
The only reason hamilton didn't who the championship in 2007 was due to lack of experience. He threw it away in the last few races as the pressure and desperation to win got to him. Kimi only took the title by 1 point that year. They all deserved it
First year and hes straight up there. Says something about his mental preparation and talent. Fantastic. Some of the Kart vids are amazing where (important point) hes stepping up in formula for the first time and disappearing off into the sunset. I think his motivation dipped after his first championship win. Of course it would though, thats been his goal. Hes won it- I bet there was a void with 'what now'?
A decent team mate and Schu back is that motivation. Sorry, I think Alonso has passed his talent window. He shouldnt have gone to Renault- he should have stuck it out at Mclaren and he would have taken Lewis's first championship from him.
Lewis will be a triple-champ in my books. Hes still learning and maturing.
I think last year lewis proved to be a more rounded driver, and luckily he hasn't lost that do or die attacking streak that's needed. I also can't see Schuey having lost it. I reckon there'll be some good ding dong battles up front from those two.
Then chip into the mix the other talent and you've got a good season. I don't agree that Alonso's talent window has closed, but yes, he should've stayed at McLaren. Does the Ferrari family have what it takes to bash the selfish streak out of him? Dunno - maybe. I'm interested to see if Schuey will do what he did for Benetton and Ferrari at Merc with Ross Brawn....
Stop rising to alex222's trolling.
oh i don't read his posts as he's clueless
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Don't you tell me what to do!
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TheFunkyMonkey - MemberDon't you tell me what to do!
I think the more seasonal version of this is "$%£^ you I won't do what you tell me"
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Given this has been dubbed the year of the cheat how appropriate Schumacher announces his return 🙂
Oh aye- the 'win at all costs' man returns. The Stewards of today will have a field day with him if they apply Hamo's rules to him. The return of black flags, race bans, questionable swerves into drivers, disqualification from a whole year and 'launch control' circuitry found in cars 🙄
Still think hes an absolute cheating **** robbing Hill of at LEAST one other championship.
Can't see how people say lewis boring. When on top of his game he takes the risks into corners that the likes of button was doing this season.
F1 is a sport where the car makes a big difference. Mclaren had it crap at start of season but got their act together and lewis proved he could get back at the front. Its clearly not who has the fastest car, Fischella in the ferrari, yeah it wasn't the hottest of cars this season but to be so far down, clearly its a fine balance of good driver and good car.
Raikonen is the boring one, can't even do an interview. Least lewis tells the media whats happening.
Will be interesting this next season, button I think can match hamilton but it will take something special from either one to come out on top. I'm not sure how well the Red bulls will do after a long hard season will they have a good car...debatable from looking at Mclaren ad Ferrari this year.
Schumacher, he will still have it, but not sure if he can do it forst season back.
Sounds like a *cough* Lance Armstrong *cough* comeback to me. He will be strong but not sure if he can beat the likes of hamilton and Button. But then again Ross Brawn is a class act so you never know with him!
Will be a good season i think, hopefully it will be a battle of a few racers rather than one clear winner.
Bring back DC I say!!!
In a nice way. Alonso was a better driver, more mature and a more proven winner than Button when he was heading to Maclaren.
Looking at this way - do you really think Button will be Hamiltons match? I get the impression that Hamilton can play the team politics very very well- all with a sugary smile.
I'm not trolling. Schumacher partied hard, was never hyped until he had proved himself. The reason he appears to not be full of fire is because he is german. Hamilton doesn't have that excuse he harks from afro-angle heritige he should have a massive personality. I have said there is no doubt hamilton is good; he is just way too over hyped. You also can't knock him for the clearly difficult background he has had compared to other drivers but yet again this should bolster his personality, not over emphasise the lack of it. Yes he has achieved alot so far, but no where near as much as he was reckoned to by now. Like I have said before you can only say he's the greatest ONCE he has PROVED it. Not bassed on opinion of what he could achieve. Thats my point. How long has it taken for Steve Peat to reach the goals that were apparantly laid out before him?
Schumacher NEVER partied hard except after winning WCs... He was an is still an eminently sensible type of person. He was also massively hyped immediately after his start at Spa and thereafter, deservedly as it turned out. It still took him a couple of years to win his first WC during which he was constantly referred to as a future World Champion.
Hamilton has grown up as part of a corporate machine. Hardling suprising that he does a good impression of an android when talking to the press. No one here has a clue what he's really like...
I don't think anyone here has said he's the greatest and very few people elsewhere (with any sense at least) have either. Many HAVE said that he may eventually prove to the greatest, just as they did with Vettel and Alonso to take a couple of recent examples, which is not an unreasonable thing to say.
As I see it they are all very good drivers indeed - beyond what most of us can imagine
Looking at next year's line up though there are 3 extraordinary drivers
Hamilton
Alonso
Schumacher
If they all have good cars - there could be fireworks
Vettel & Rosberg are waiting in the wings though
Button is good & if the conditions are right for him he'll be spectacular
I'd like to see Andy Soucek get a drive before too long as he looks very good indeed
oh & who the hell knows what Kobayashi will bring to the mix? - He won't be a contender but it'll be fun watching him deal with those who are & think they have a right to be allowed past
Lots of people on here have said he's the greatest driver. Or going to be the greatest (not may be the greatest). Which is my point you can't say something is going to be anything with any certainty.
No I don't know as much about F1 as alot of people on here but I do know what hype is and how it can totally make something seem like it will be better then it actually is. Alot of people on this forum seem to speak about something with an authority that they clearly don't have. How many people are saying with absolute certainty something that they clearly couldn't ever possibly know? Every one who's said I'm trolling for a start. There is an assumption that by watching every race for the past five years you are an expert.
There are images of Schumacher totally wasted out of his face yet there aren't any of Hamilton. Why?
what hasn't been mentioned is that the car has to match the driving style, Schumacher's car will be probably be built around him but it will be interesting to see how things pan out at McLaren where Button and Hamilton have very different styles and Button, on his own admission can only drive a car if it's set up perfectly for him
if nothing else, it should (should) prove to be an interesting season
Who knows what goes on behind the scenes alex? Everyone thought Tigers Woods was a saintly, wholesome boy until a few weeks ago!
For all we know Lewis might have all-night drinking and sex sessions with [i]all[/i] of the Pussycat Dolls!!
+1 At last some one who knows that they don't know. Not a
Know it all Nigel.Lewis is the Golden Child. FACT.
So much rubbish on this thread I can't be arsed to read it all! Here are some F1 opinions from a proper F1 nerd:
Hamilton is just about the most exciting racer of the modern era - truly outstanding. Button is a different fish altogether, but outstanding in his own way. The McLaren battle will be decided by which driver suits the new regulations and car - if Lewis can manage the tyres I'd say he'd be favourite to win that battle.
Alonso is the best driver in F1 and has been for some considerable time. Those that think he was shown up by his weird year at McLaren simply misunderstand the effect of his authority being undermined by McLaren politics. He would definitely be favourite for the WDC in 2010 in my opinion, and will beat Massa fairly easily over the course of the season.
Vettel is a champion in the waiting, but Red Bull are still stuck with Renault engines - plus Webber will be fitter than 2009 and those two will remain pretty evenly matched.
Nico is going to have to show a lot of character, to say the least. He is really good, but still has some weak areas (namely consistent race pace and race craft). Schumacher will not miss a trick and will pick up points where they didn't seem to exist. The guy has 91 race wins. Greatest of all time, no doubt in my mind.
I can't wait! What a fantastic season in prospect.
Nico (in a way) is a great position- no one will blame him for not beating his team mate and he will learn alot if he listens. 🙂
he will learn alot if he listens
If he listens to what?
You don't for a minute think that Schumi will put his arm round him & say "listen Nico, this is what you need to do to beat me ......."?
Rosberg is now Schumacher's worst enemy
Schumacher helped Massa a great deal.
I think Rosberg will be under a lot of pressure actually. He's proved he can be fast, exceptionally so. But then so did Kovalinen, who at times could show Lewis a very clean pair of heals when it all came together.
But in a top car, he couldn't deliver consistently and now he's at Lotus with a lot to prove.
Rosberg will get away with being beaten by Schey but if he's not right in there behind him, he'll go the same way.
I do really rate Rosberg, I just don't think he's got an easy season by any means.
Schumacher did help Massa but he knew that he always had the measure of him and that Massa wouldn't be allowed to race him really...
The talk is all that Schumacher's been signed on a one year deal to cover the gap until Vettel can leave his Red Bull contract. Mercedes were understandably concerned about not having a driver that's proven himself at the top level.
Having just said that I've read on Autosport that they're talking about a three year deal...
Q. How long will you drive for Mercedes-Benz?MS: We are talking about a three-year deal. It is not a one-off thing. We are obviously looking for continuation.
[url] http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80656 [/url]
I wonder how long Rosberg's deal is for - When he was announced as a Mercedes driver, none of the press releases seem to mention a length for the contract which they usually do. One year maybe with options beyond that if he performs?
To put Schumacher's achievements into context - there was a documentary on Jackie Stewart the other night - as he approached his 100th race (which he didn't actually start) he was the third most successful F1 driver of all time, with 27 race wins and three WDCs. Schumacher already has 91 wins and seven Championships, and he ain't finished yet.
F1 will still be dull
glen,
In JS's day there were fewer races, much worse reliability and a lot more drivers killed. As such, you can't compare different eras without a huge amount of conjecture. MS is undoubtedly [b]one of[/b] the greatest F1 drivers and the best of his era.
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F1 will still be dull
As are people who come on a thread they have no interest in to say that something's dull 🙄
FunkyDunc - MemberF1 will still be dull
From a man that starts threads about MS Excel Pivot Tables 🙄
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I know things aren't precisely comparable - for example the level of fitness and professionalism required today is way ahead of anything pre-Schumacher. Even more testament to the prowess of the man.
Michael Schumacher; a man so boring that he comes out of retirement because he can't think of anything more fun to do with all his time / money / connections.
he's let himself down, i'm dissappointed with him.
what a loser.
??anything more fun
Than driving a car at over 200mph week in week out and getting £6.2million a year for the privilege? I don't know what you do in your spare time but if it's more fun than that*, I'd like a go.
*I think Schuey does a bit of biking too.
I know its only 2 races in but some people on here seem to be eating their words. 🙂