Interesting race this! Lewis might pull this off y’know… Wishing Lando could, but think it’s gone for him
Ahh, maybe not now he’s gone for a 2 stop 🧐
Ferrari! 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Red Bull have used Danny Rik to grab fastest lap so no one in top ten gets it.
Ferrari strategists back in full effect! 😂 Why had lando fallen away? And Max - can’t take it when it’s not easy!
Close!!
Hamilton seems to be really enjoying that Mercedes today. He’s 8 seconds ahead of Norris only 5 laps after overtaking him. Blimey!
Ohh, a couple of laps more and Hamilton just might have managed that..Well Done Max though nursing home a brake issue to win
All not well between JP and Max? That radio was terse! Max is a nob on the radio though, I’d not want to put up with the abuse he flings!
This seems to be the thing with Hamilton/Russell. Hamilton can drive a bad car equally as well as Russell, but give Lewis a good car and he seems to be able to push it right to its limits. These last few races, LH has been by far the faster car come race day.
I’d not want to put up with the abuse he flings!
…abuse runs in the family.
True that… ☹️
Daffy
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This seems to be the thing with Hamilton/Russell. Hamilton can drive a bad car equally as well as Russell, but give Lewis a good car and he seems to be able to push it right to its limits. These last few races, LH has been by far the faster car come race day.
I think Russell just couldn't get setup right this race.
Hopefully the car works better next year so we can get a decent fight.
Next bike ride I'm going to blame my performance on that voice in my head talking to me in the braking!
Max Making Conor Moore's next video easy
& yet he started 6th but managed to win the race.
Leclerc and Hamilton cars have failed post race scrutinising. Excessive plank ware by the sounds of it…Disq. x 2 incoming?!?
Ffs lol, although it does mean sergeant now has his first point!
So they tested 4 cars and 2 were found to have excessive wear, on a track where everyone was complaining about the bumps? 50% fail rate. If this were continued in the rest of the field, only 8 cars would’ve finished. They should’ve checked the rest and made a proper determination if it was track specific. How close were MV and LN to failing the test?
Daffy
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So they tested 4 cars and 2 were found to have excessive wear, on a track where everyone was complaining about the bumps? 50% fail rate. If this were continued in the rest of the field, only 8 cars would’ve finished. They should’ve checked the rest and made a proper determination if it was track specific. How close were MV and LN to failing the test?
Doubt they have the man power to check every car in the time frame, and also I don't think they want to DQ half the field!
The real problem is that the sprint format means not enough setup time.
Alonso retired with floor damage and you could hear Hamilton's floor hitting the ground during his overtake on Norris.
Bummer news to wake up to!
Still at least Williams get more points. They don't deserve to drop from 7th in constructions - those behind have done at lot worse with better resources.
And I think Checo will be in the Red Bull next season. I've said before Danny Rik has lost the spark and chucking Lawson in there would be very risky.
Doubt they have the man power to check every car
Would have thought the winner would be pretty high up the testing priority list though?
I wonder if Merc were running Hamiltons car lower than Russells and thats why Russell struggled all weekend with it.
Max's car was tested - the top 4 were, but the two heaviest drivers in two of the heaviest cars (in the top- 4) were found to have excess wear on the plank...
WRT to Russel - maybe, but according to the stats, Russel is almost 10kg lighter than Hamilton, despite being taller.
My guess is that the cars were set for the right height for each drivers weight, but the excessive bumpiness caused increased wear to the heavier car/driver which was also driving faster (more downforce) and that had they been able to do more setup, they would've noticed the excess wear and raised the height a little.
Doubt they have the man power to check every car in the time frame, and also I don’t think they want to DQ half the field!
They tested one car from each of the top four teams. Even though Hamilton and Leclerc were disqualified, they didn't test the other cars from those teams. They obviously just don't have the time to test every car, it wouldn't have just been the planks they checked, they would have gone over a whole lot of stuff.
Daffy
Full MemberMax’s car was tested – the top 4 were, but the two heaviest drivers in two of the heaviest cars (in the top- 4) were found to have excess wear on the plank…
Yep exactly. Would have been interesting to know if Sainz and Russells cars were legal and their poor pace was due to them running more ride height (or were they just having poor weekends?)
(edit - from AMuS:)
Russell and Sainz with different set-up Verstappen's Red Bull and Norris' McLaren passed the test. Hamilton's Mercedes and Leclerc's Ferrari failed. At the two rear mounting holes, the thickness of the board was less than nine millimeters. Being a black-and-white decision, the teams accepted the verdict. George Russell and Carlos Sainz got off with a black eye. Possibly only because they were not checked. It may also have been the luck of other drivers from other teams. However, Russell and Sainz also drove with a slightly different set-up than their stable rivals. They had slightly more ground clearance on the rear axle. The choice was made based on personal preference and not out of fear of breaking the rules. Mercedes and Ferrari each took a little more risk with one of their cars. When a lot of unfortunate circumstances come together, you can fall flat on your face.
Nice shot here from f1technical, obv you'd need a full slowmo to be conclusive
Max really is a petulant little toad.
Nice shot here from f1technical, obv you’d need a full slowmo to be conclusive
Seen that photo all over X today (along with the unbiased, reasoned, sensible debate! 🤣 ).
Merc is on a wider line and flatter so hardly a conclusive photo.
Anyway rules is rules, but still good to see progress.
Odd the way Lando dropped away though. Thought he'd hold on to 2nd (in the race).
Max really is a petulant little toad.
Is this regarding something specific or just a general observation?
Merc is on a wider line and flatter so hardly a conclusive photo.
This. The RB is much further up the curb so there's bound to be more height beneath the car.
It's about the continual radio tantrums while driving.
It would be interesting to know how worn they were. We they fractions too worn, or by a long way. Whilst accepting the DQ is the right decision was the excess wear enough to give a measurable performance. Have Mercedes started to turn the corner with genuine pace or was it flatter by the rule infringement
Have Mercedes started to turn the corner with genuine pace or was it flatter by the rule infringement
Merc, mclaren and to some extent ferrari seem to compete for "best of the rest" depending on circuit and track temp - though it seems ferrari struggle most with tyres over a full race (and with strategy). And remember the gap to red bull was mainly down to max struggling with the brakes - in the sprint he pulled a massive gap in a couple of laps so that's more representative of the difference in pace
The DQ is harsh but thems the rules. Rather than any tweak to scrutineering I'm wondering if the sprint weekend format will evolve to allow more changes between the end of the sprint and the start of the GP.
To me Mercedes and McLaren are making genuine progress. And the new floor on the Merc makes the car a hybrid of '23 and '24 ideas so won't be working optimally.
Ferrari - just don't know about them. They're baffling in their approach. Can't think of any major upgrade they've bought this season.
Personally - Sprint weekends need binning. They dilute what F1 is about. But if they insist on keeping them set-up changes must be allowed after FP1.
sharkbait
This. The RB is much further up the curb so there’s bound to be more height beneath the car.
Well it's just a bit of fun, like I said a slowed down video would be needed to draw any solid conclusions because it could be mid-rebound at the exact moment the pic was taken.
However your comment makes me think you're looking at the wrong thing in the pic.
Ignore the ground completely- look at the relative positions of the bottom of the diffuser and bottom of the tyres compared to the other two cars. The RB floor looks about an inch higher. In fact the left side of the diffuser on the merc & ferrari is lower than the left tyre 🙂
Oooh - there's beef on Twitter! Turns our Checo cut T6 26 times during the race!...
https://twitter.com/protor04/status/1717504322450178529?s=12&t=EQoHg-RGok071Fjc15ZHKw
https://twitter.com/protor04/status/1717504379693965312?s=12&t=EQoHg-RGok071Fjc15ZHKw
How can you determine a track limits breach from an onboard camera? All 4 wheels have to completely cross the white line.
FIA have admitted they had their CCTV monitor in the wrong place - seems loads were cutting that corner.
I know this link below is PlanetF1 but original source is AMuS which is reputable...
https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-further-track-limits-scrutiny-us-grand-prix-footage
FIA have admitted they had their CCTV monitor in the wrong place
And if they knew it the teams knew it. Something radical needs doing about this track limits stupidity. It's motorsport not tennis.
simondbarnes
Full MemberHow can you determine a track limits breach from an onboard camera? All 4 wheels have to completely cross the white line.
Well you can't but you can have a good guess from a lot of those shots, for example:
