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 Pook
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I've pretty much slept through this


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 3:21 pm
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I’ve pretty much slept through this

What? The battle for 7th to 10th places is fascinating.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 3:30 pm
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Time penalties for Dan Ric, down to 11th.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 7:56 pm
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a ton of DRS simple overtakes and a wounded car getting swamped on the last lap doesnt make it a fascinating race. total borefest

what happened to the new front wings allowing closer racing and overtakes,!?!?

jeeez compare this to the LE MANS WEC last week........... no contest - lets see a the WEC race every weekend


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 8:27 pm
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who would fill Gasleys seat? Answers to helmut please

I hope they give him a bit more time.


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 8:31 pm
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Alonso!


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 8:53 pm
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Vergne? Would like to see him given a shot in the RB.
Is he still attached to RB in any way?


 
Posted : 23/06/2019 9:10 pm
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jeeez compare this to the LE MANS WEC last week……….. no contest – lets see a the WEC race every weekend

You should have watched the nurburg 24hr which ended about 15mins after the f1 started.
even better than Le Mans was.

154 cars started and it runs on the fulls circuit comprising the GP circuit and the north loop.

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Posted : 24/06/2019 12:11 am
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Agreed, the 24 hours of Nurburgring was a good race I just couldn't figure out all the classes!


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 1:08 am
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i believe it runs something like these classes.

So the overall win went to a GT3 class car, while the Aston Martin Racing entry with Alex Brundle and Jamie Chadwick which won their "SP8T" class meaning they were in a category of race cars with engines upto 4ltr (with turbo)
Considering they had a gearbox issue at the start and ended up having to catch up their starting group and i think started 134th they finished 28th overall.


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 6:44 am
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hoping to catch some highlights of the race somewhere (24h that is)....


 
Posted : 24/06/2019 8:22 am
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Lowe's officially gone from Williams

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/williams-lowe-steps-down/4481967/


 
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Quite an achievement there in being part of the most dominant team ever seen and then sending another formerly dominant team into a death spiral. I do hope Williams can survive this, sad to see them like this.


 
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Quite an achievement there in being part of the most dominant team ever seen and then sending another formerly dominant team into a death spiral. I do hope Williams can survive this, sad to see them like this.

I just hope Williams keep him on gardening leave for a long time. Would hate to see them lose their advantage.

I think the problems there go far beyond Paddy. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that Frank was controlling Claire like a puppet behind the scenes. Who could replace her though? Adam Parr maybe? Wonder what he's up to now Bernie's gone.


 
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I think we might end up hearing more from Paddy's side now he's out of the contract with Williams - i suspect he wanted root and branch changes and/or big financial input from somewhere (most likely they would have to sell part of the team - perhaps even to him) and they said "no" (they being frank williams via claire williams).
How someone can take a team like Williams and run it into the ground and still be in her post i dont know. (well i do, Frank wants her there and he is a stubborn so and so)


 
Posted : 25/06/2019 7:11 pm
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I imagine Lowe has signed a none disclosure agreement about his time at Williams.


 
Posted : 25/06/2019 7:18 pm
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How someone can take a team like Williams and run it into the ground and still be in her post i dont know.

As the boss, she does bear responsibility. However, she's not an engineer and the fundamental problem is that they produced two horribly slow cars in consecutive years. Paddy Lowe bears responsibility for that. It's really hard to comprehend how they could have gone so badly wrong on the car design (same applies to McLaren, but at least they seem to have bounced back quite well).


 
Posted : 25/06/2019 11:48 pm
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Paddy bears no responsibility for the 2018 car. He arrived after it was designed and it was, by all accounts, a dog with no chance of development.

For 2019 he bears some responsibility, but the methods, tools and people that made the 2018 dog were still there...


 
Posted : 26/06/2019 6:02 am
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The Beyond The Grid podcast interviewed Claire Williams last year - interestingly, she was shoehorned into the job kind of whether she wanted it or not, IIRC. It's a great series, long interviews with interesting people. 🙂


 
Posted : 26/06/2019 7:49 am
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Speaking of Beyond The Grid, did anyone manage to count the number of times Jody Scheckter said the phrase “best tasting, healthiest food” in his episode? I confess I turned it off after a while 😀


 
Posted : 26/06/2019 10:23 am
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Beyond the Grid is fantastic. I started from the top again having dipped into a couple of ones i initially fancied. Interesting how people come across; the Ross Brawn ones were great.


 
Posted : 26/06/2019 11:08 am
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The Kubica return really isn't going as well as I'd hoped - another FP session and nearly a second slower than Russell again. I know the car is a dog, but I can't see another team picking him up for next season now, even with a bucket-full of money. 🙁


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 1:03 pm
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Max in the wall, red flag

edit: session resumed, now bottas is in the wall turn 6


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 2:36 pm
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looks like a new gearbox....


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 2:45 pm
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Yep, looks like it

Here's a vid
https://streamable.com/6vs5z


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 2:47 pm
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And here's bottas turn 6

https://streamable.com/a4q5i

eta: better vid
https://streamable.com/a6qkd


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 2:48 pm
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Vettel spins now. It's more eventful than the entire french GP already!


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 2:58 pm
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Looking forward to watching all this when I get home!

And LOL at the teams moaning about the kerbs - if you've lost £250k in front wing damage reprimand your driver. Don't ask for the kerbs to be removed.


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 3:09 pm
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And LOL at the teams moaning about the kerbs – if you’ve lost £250k in front wing damage reprimand your driver. Don’t ask for the kerbs to be removed.

Yep, hard to argue with that!


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 3:43 pm
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Now Kubica 1.3s slower than Russell this session.

But Russell only .4s behind Stroll! 🙂


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 4:02 pm
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He might be in a slow car but George is proving himself worthy of something more zippy if he continues not to bungle it.


 
Posted : 28/06/2019 9:19 pm
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Fingerboy won't be happy, seeing Leclerc on pole while he couldn't even start Q3.


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 3:02 pm
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0.25s on a track that short - he properly spanked them there


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 4:18 pm
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Still waiting on the Hamilton penalty. Should be a fun race tomorrow.


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 4:27 pm
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3 place grid penalty for lewis


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 5:07 pm
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Harsh, but he fudged Kimis lap.

Ooffff, does that put him behind K Mag?? Could be interesting.


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 6:06 pm
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He might be in a slow car but George is proving himself worthy of something more zippy if he continues not to bungle it.

Nice


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 7:20 pm
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At least Lewis has took the penalty on the chin. Could be a good one tomorrow the way the grid is. Quite looking forward to it 🙂


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 10:40 pm
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and cos of the order in which penalties are applied, Lewis's is effectively only a 2 place grid penalty


 
Posted : 29/06/2019 11:43 pm
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Leclerc and Verstappen into the first corners could be a bit intense 😁


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 10:36 am
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Leclerc and Verstappen into the first corners could be a bit intense

Yes, and Bottas will be desperate to close the points gap to Hamilton, so he'll likely lunge for any gap he sees, plus Norris will be keen to show he can go wheel-to-wheel with the big boys, so first lap might be messy.


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 11:21 am
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So after KMag’s penalty - Leclerc, Verstappen, Bottas and Lewis. Could be a tasty start!


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 11:29 am
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Oooh! Vettel will be spitting feathers. Nice one Ferrari pit crew...


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 2:42 pm
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Well this is more like it, hope the RB can stay together!


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 3:18 pm
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Wow what a race!


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 3:31 pm
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They had better not penalize Max for that!!!

Great stuff.


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 3:35 pm
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Some of the best f1 I can recall seeing for a few years.

Racing incident for me, and Vettel did the same to Norris early in the race.


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 3:41 pm
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Yep that was a fun one. 👌😎


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 3:42 pm
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I think Ferrari ****ed up the strategy again as well, I would have expected Vettal to catch Bottas if they hadn't brought him in for the soft tyres. They had the fastest car, but were out raced and out thought again.


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 3:52 pm
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Well done Honda! #thealonsoeffect


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 3:53 pm
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Yes! Good race Max.
So how long for Binotti at Ferrari?


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 6:59 pm
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Ruled a racing incident, as no single driver wholly to blame/at fault. Max wins.


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 7:02 pm
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Right decision imho


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 7:28 pm
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What a race! Superb


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 8:54 pm
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Brilliant. Hard racing, but that’s what we want. Brilliant driving from max. The new generation came of age today - just looked better than the old guard.

When it was first red-introduced, the A-1 ring was considered Mickey Mouse, but it is a great circuit imho. Looks difficult to drive and good for overtaking. Enjoyed that mucho.


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 9:19 pm
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Can some one tell channel 4 that their commentators are supposed to neutral. I know they are on the red bull payroll but their bias is dreadful


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 9:27 pm
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Billy Monger is a legend though


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 10:10 pm
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Best race of the year so far, nice to see some proper racing and not a predictable outcome.


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 10:22 pm
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Hard racing, but that’s what we want.

Yup, didn’t open the wheel but just decided he didn’t feel like being kind any longer, as it should be.

Feel a bit for Leclerc, but you know he’s got plenty wins to come.

Any word on what Hamilton broke?


 
Posted : 30/06/2019 10:33 pm
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Having seen the overtake now I think he should have been penalised. He was going up the inside so knew Leclerc was on the outside. He could have turned tighter but instead deliberately took a line that knowingly meant his opponent had nowhere to go. My go to position is to put a wall in place of a run off zone when looking at moves like that and he would have just driven him into a wall no question.

Also, he's a dick with a face that's just aching for a slap so I might be slightly biased.


 
Posted : 01/07/2019 7:11 am
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Another way of looking at it is that Leclerc could have simply backed out of it and it would’ve been avoided. He could have even cut back inside to have a go at coming back at him


 
Posted : 01/07/2019 7:37 am
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Not a fan of Max then convert! 🙂

While were on faces - Leclerc always looks like he's about to burst into tears at any moment.


 
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The bbc podcast pretty much says it was deliberate and he’d didn’t ever get ahead. When they hit it was front wheel against front wheel. This has really opened up the racing to aggression. Let’s see if that is really what the teams want.
To be fair to the F1 stewards if they had overturned the win they would probably have not have left the circuit in one piece.


 
Posted : 01/07/2019 8:53 am
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He could have turned tighter but instead deliberately took a line that knowingly meant his opponent had nowhere to go…

…other than to give up the position and back out of it.

Yup.

That’s racing. And that’s how to win at racing.


 
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…other than to give up the position and back out of it.

I genuinely don't think he could have. At the point he could see that MVS was coming through and the line he was going to take was such that there was no space for him to go I don't think he could have braked hard enough mid corner to make a car length of difference and either follow him or go to his inside.

That’s racing. And that’s how to win at racing.

I'd say it's more mario kart racing than racing racing.


 
Posted : 01/07/2019 2:29 pm
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I genuinely don’t think he could have. At the point he could see that MVS was coming through and the line he was going to take was such that there was no space for him to go I don’t think he could have braked hard enough mid corner to make a car length of difference and either follow him or go to his inside.

But it was clear what was happening way before mid corner.

The previous lap, Leclerc had done an outstanding job of making his car wide on the run up to that turn, but in doing so he compromised his exit slightly and Verstappen went for the cutback to maximise his exit speed and nearly made it work. But with this move he would always be behind all the way through the corner so he had to leave room for Leclerc and go for the drag race down the hill.

But next time round, Leclerc defended all the way to the outside and left the inside open. Max took it, he took it early, and it was obvious what was going to happen. If you come up the inside, you compromise your exit speed, so you ensure you compromise the other guy's exit too. You can't compromise your exit speed even further by taking a tight line on entry and exit just to give the other guy a free ride.

Leclerc would have known this well before turning in. It's not tricky stuff, it's stuff you pick up when you're starting out in karts. These two have been racing each other for years and it's not like Max won't go for an open door.

The issues we have are twofold: firstly the tarmac runoffs encourage drivers to try and drive round the outside regardless of what's happening; and secondly the rules mean that whenever anyone's racing line is compromised they're obliged to moan about it to try and get points. Both of these things suck.

But once the door was open and Max had committed, his car was always going to end up going deep into the corner, just as it should be.


 
Posted : 01/07/2019 2:51 pm
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So Kubica got driver of the day!... 🙂

https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/01/f1-investigating-technical-fault-after-kubica-is-voted-driver-of-the-day/


 
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Pat Fry to leave McLaren.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-pat-fry-leave-team/4487534/

Hoping Williams can lure him to sort out their problems.


 
Posted : 03/07/2019 12:10 am
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Hoping Williams can lure him to sort out their problems.

And then blame him when he can't?!


 
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Joe saward has been reporting that this was a done deal for months, as well as the continual denials that anything was confirmed. Good news though.


 
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😁


 
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Rich Energy is such a weird company. Their Wikipedia page has been deleted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Energy_Ltd.

Do they even exist, or are they a marketing stunt by Haas?


 
Posted : 10/07/2019 8:34 pm
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Jesus! I wonder how Haas put it... 🙂


 
Posted : 10/07/2019 8:38 pm
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I'm guessing they were losing the case against Whyte.


 
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I'm guessing this comes as a shock to precisely nobody!

Stunk of a con right from the start, just surprised that in F1 people still fall for it.

I wonder if Haas ever saw any money? If not they were probably getting ready to pull the pin anyway.

Hope it doesn't result in job losses or the team going down the pan.


 
Posted : 11/07/2019 6:35 am
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I'd love it if Haas just swapped out the RE logos for Whyte on the livery...


 
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I wonder if Haas ever saw any money? If not they were probably getting ready to pull the pin anyway.

I wondered if it's a face saving effort, perhaps Rich Energy paid Haas the first amount up front then failed to make the second payment. Then they've issued this tweet before Haas have had a chance to announced them being removed from the car for late payment.

Clearly happened quite suddenly as they were tweeting pro-Haas stuff a short while ago.


 
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