MegaSack DRAW - This year's winner is user - rgwb
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So why haven't you entered yet Mol?
Money, and unpredictability 🙂
If i wasn't racing that weekend, i'd be up heading up to watch you!
That'd be cool. You could maybe do it with binoculars from the other side of the valley!
and unpredictability
hmmmmm
Yeah - I'm sure that Bolt bloke is much poorer than you.
bet now he's rich he's bought a car though. OH HOW THE OTHER HALF and so on
Yeti, you really are good at making people feel bad about themselves!
bet now he's rich he's bought a car though.
And I already had one. So I win....
Why feel bad? Overcome this by making a real commitment to the event... spend money on it!
I understand that you're doing training towards it. This is great. If the swim isn't a concern... lucky you, I think the rest of it will be a formality. Just make sure you eat right throughout the event and I reckon you've got it in the bag.
I'm not going to lie though. The fact that you haven't made a financial outlay on it makes me believe that you're not 100% committed to it. Prove me wrong.
Winter Hill would be better than a 400m track. Good point about downhill, not enough people practise it, then wonder why they're weak at it.
The Ben is 11km up and then 11km down, and it looks like there's only one path up there.
You'll take the hill race route, which is basically just a straight line from the waterfall to the summit cutting out all the zigzags. They'll have buddy runners there to relay you up the hill in the right direction. Sorry if this information has been posted before.
Also, practice running downhill for sure! Cyclists are good at going uphill in my experience but I lost 40mins on that decent alone to a friend that had done more downhill running than me. My training consisted of driving an uplift to a high point in the Alps, guiding to the bottom and then running up to collect, hence no downhill practice and it hurts.
Best of luck though! May see you there.
Why feel bad?
I don't, but you are trying hard to make me it seems 🙂
The fact that you haven't made a financial outlay on it makes me believe that you're not 100% committed to it
If I haven't got £200 spare, how can I make the outlay?
you are trying hard
Sure is. Pity he can't try as hard to break five minutes for one mile. I'm beginning to question the commitment to be honest.
You'll take the hill race route, which is basically just a straight line from the waterfall to the summit cutting out all the zigzags
Ah, thanks for that. I wasn't sure if we'd be made to stick to the route or if it would differ from the usual walker's route.
I hope to see you there, glad someone else has the spirit to give it a go 😉
Pity he can't try as hard to break five minutes for one mile. I'm beginning to question the commitment to be honest.
Maybe if he spends some money on it that'll show his dedication.
I'm not trying had... I'm just telling you to ****ing enter it!
Sod off Darcy. I'm not committed to that at all at the moment. It 'may' happen, one day. At the moment I have more faith in Molly and the BNT.
I'll enter on payday.
It 'may' happen, one day
Ah, I see. Your commitment level appears to have dropped dramatically. I find it helpful when trying to get someone to do something, to constantly tease and goad them - it works most of the time. 😉
LOL - I'm applying the same psychology to Mol that you did with me.
I'll let you know when it's worked in my case.
Good on you Molly.
It 'may' happen, one day.
I may do a sub 2 hour marathon next year.
I may do a sub 2 hour marathon next year.
sub 2-hour 10K will do for me.
i'm in the process of convincing a patient he wants to take up running again, at present i'm not convinced he could run more than 300meters, but has set a target for himself of the Reading Half Marathon next year 😯
should i train with him? (i dont think i could run more than 200meters lol)
The best way to train for running uphill is running uphill! Next best is stairs. Although you will need an appropriate building. Running down the stairs afterwards will of course train all the muscles you need for the run assuming you are not just running uphill. You certainly need to train for it, as without it your muscles will burn out very very quickly
99 problems and a five-minute mile ain't one. (100)
I may do a sub 9.5 second 100 metres next year.
its impossible to run down stairs, real mean jump as many stairs in one go as possible, slightly less masculine men use the banisters/hand-rails to aid in this.... but the end result is the same; manliness through clearing an entire flight of stairs without using them.
Get someone to throw spanners at you.
If you can dodge spanners you can run up hills
If you can dodge spanners you can run up hills
You can apply the spanner rule to most things I find.
Cooking, dancing, keyhole surgery...
You can run down stairs two at a time.
In other news, I seem to have lost an inch on my waist this week.
good work, been any stricter with anything to cause that loss? i'm trying to get back in control of my eating before the wedding 🙁 once you start allowing yourself little treats its a horrendously slippery slope!
i'm trying to get back in control of my eating before the wedding once you start allowing yourself little treats its a horrendously slippery slope!
...tell me about it. As you know I am a bit mullered this week, so just sitting about drinking beer and eating iced gems. I do a great line in self-inflicted sabotage 🙁
You can run down stairs two at a time.
Pah - 3 at a time or you're a girl. Of course it's only a short step (leap?) from there to clearing whole flights in one go...
its amazing how one chocolate digestive turns into eight.
To keep things in balance do it the other way next time and turn 8 chocolate digestives turn into one.
i'm already practising Ian, i can get 2 digestives into one by pushing the chocolate sides together and pretending. 8 might be a challenge but i'm good at challenges when i put my mind to it.
If you believe you can do it, you can do it.
You should show your commitment by going and buying some digestives now, rather than just talking about them.
good work, been any stricter with anything to cause that loss?
No, I've been taking a magic pill 🙂
speed?
Jamie, i know you can't run but a very easy recovery ride ie zone 1, might ease your legs? Why has TSY or DD not given you a massage to make them better by now?!
*shhhhhh they're all the same person*
dunno what all the fuss is about, Ben Nevis a piece of p%$s anyway
Jamie, i know you can't run but a very easy recovery ride ie zone 1, might ease your legs? Why has TSY or DD not given you a massage to make them better by now?!
Zone 1? Erm...is that slow, very slow or part of the tube?
Ahh I see. Cheers piemonster. Not sure how accurate my 310XT strap is at the mo, after having readings like [url= http://connect.garmin.com/activity/202190104 ]this[/url], last weekend.
Did you skip Man Tor, that's cheating that is. Get back out right now and drag yourself straight up Cold Side
Tis an allright little jog out that, probably my most repeated run in the Peak
MAX HR 245BPM 😯
MAX HR 245BPM
Innit? I have never hit higher than 210BPM since I have used HRMs. Think I might need to change the battery on my HRM strap, as have had a few stupidly high readings this month.
....or see a cardiologist.
Did you skip Man Tor, that's cheating that is. Get back out right now and drag yourself straight up Cold Side
In my defence, I had just driven 2.5hours at 5am, and just grabbed the route off Garmin's course finder the evening before. Had no idea where I was going...just followed the line, baby 8)
Pfftttpp
Amateur, my long runs usually involve sleeping in the car and a 5am start. MTFU Jamie and stop dodging the climbs 😛
Pfffffft! Sleeping in the car? Hardly a chore is it? 😛
Anyway. I am going to try and get back up to do the full Skyline route in the next couple of months. Makes a nice break from the rolling hills of Cambridgeshire.....I may need a navigator tho 8)
a navigator you say.....
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Zone 1? Erm...is that slow, very slow or part of the tube?
In masseuse terms it's your feet/ankle region. I specialise in Zone4.
The Fun Zone?
In a vague attempt to get back to the original question...
Not so much a training tip but when actually running up hills concentrate on your arms, have a nice relaxed hand and forearm with your hands at chest height as per usual but really push your elbow backwards and up nice and high. This will in turn give you a nice high knee lift.
And to offer a differing opinion on the swimming... if you can do 2k comfortably in the pool I'd not worry about trying to cram in loads of swimming. OW swimming in a bunch is a bit different and you'll want to get some experience of it (otherwise it's easy to panic and force yourself to pull out.)
Generally time gains in swimming will take a lot of effort and a lot of time. I'm hitting 20,000-25,000m a week in the pool (that would be week in week out for the past few months, consistency being key for improvements), I've had underwater video analysis, have a coach setting me sessions based on the analysis, I have all the toys (fins/paddles/pull buoy etc etc) and do drills for hours and hours every day, get coaching from a masters swim group regularly (twice per week), swim OW weekly (and race in the sea which is normally rough as), every week swim twice a day on at least one of the days, bought a top end wetsuit etc etc. Overall a lot of effort, a lot of time and a lot of money for what is essentially a one or two minute time gain over a 1500m swim and this is over the course of a couple of months training.
You'll notice far bigger time gains for the same effort in the bike and the run. Your best bet IMO is getting a good few weeks of solid training, no heroic 30hour weeks proceeded by 2 hour weeks and no world records just 8 hours (or whatever) each week roughly the same split of SBR, roughly the same amount of speed work and just vary the sessions. Then on race day, it starts on the bike get into the water do a good warm up (some sprints are good) then relax forget it's a race, find some feet to draft and get out feeling fresh.
Iain
Generally time gains in swimming will take a lot of effort and a lot of time.
That's kind of what I'm experiencing. Big gains in running, not so much in swimming.
Thanks for the running tip, it's noted.
All I'm trying to do in the pool is get comfortable, keep my form, and keep going for the distance. I can swim all day, but I haven't done long (800m+) swims without a break now and then, mainly due to extreme boredom.
My aim for this event is to beat the cutoff, be able to enjoy it, and not get my nose broken.
And I've never done any OW swimming in a bunch either! Does drafting actually help?
exercise... in this heat?!
1200' of climbing, then a spot of lunch for me. That'll do.
molgrips - MemberGenerally time gains in swimming will take a lot of effort and a lot of time.
That's kind of what I'm experiencing. Big gains in running, not so much in swimming.
Thanks for the running tip, it's noted.
All I'm trying to do in the pool is get comfortable, keep my form, and keep going for the distance. I can swim all day, but I haven't done long (800m+) swims without a break now and then, mainly due to extreme boredom.
My aim for this event is to beat the cutoff, be able to enjoy it, and not get my nose broken.
And I've never done any OW swimming in a bunch either! Does drafting actually help?
I wouldn't worry about doing "long" swims in the pool, I do the occasional 1500m tt as a yardstick for my coach to have a look at but generally you're better off sticking to shorter intervals. I do sets based on 25's, 50's, 100's, 200's, 300's, 400's and 600's generally depending on the aim for the session. In your case I'd stick to the longer ones of those to build aerobic capacity.
I'd get online and immerse yourself in technique, read about all the drills, watch videos of them and include them into your sessions. Swimming in my experience is far closer to learning an instrument or a language than it is an athletic endeavour. More effort usually results in a drop in form and over longer distances will most likely slow you down. Hence why you'll see 8 year old kids fly down the pool at speeds you only dream of.
Drafting in a swim has more benefit than drafting on a bike, and its effect is two fold: 1 the actual draft, 2 it negates the need to sight. You really need to practice a proper open water swim as it is a different kettle of fish all together and many more skills are involved. You don't swim in a straight line (close your eyes when your in an empty lane for a few strokes and shock yourself!) so you need to "sight" the course every few strokes. There is a technique to doing this and things you can do to sight less (being a better swimmer is one as you will go straight with a perfect stroke) sighting slows you down a fair bit so you want to avoid it. But you want to swim the shortest, straightest route possible also. With drafting there are a few do's and don’ts and little nuances about picking the right person to draft, when to draft and when to pass someone etc but get online and immerse yourself in all of this and you'll be much better prepared for the race. You want to be like Cav at a stage race in the swim, unseen for 99.9% of it, sucking wheels/ drafting, conserving energy then pop out at the front into T1 fresh as.
Iain
I'd get online and immerse yourself in technique,
I did a lot of that a year or two ago, and it transformed my swimming. I haven't done many drills though but I do normally do intervals.
Swimming in my experience is far closer to learning an instrument or a language than it is an athletic endeavour
Agreed.
Re sighting, I did a sea swim recently and that was rather interesting in learning about sighting and such. It was very very quick and easy though (water was calm!) which made me feel pretty pleased with my swimming.