[Closed] EURO 2012 **SPOILERS**

Campeones, campeones, etc...
(Or should I leave that for later?).

WE DON'T TO PLAY SPAIN NEXT GAME!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO 🙂

And another vote for Stevie G being the best player on the pitch. Again. Should have been given the armband years ago!

Yes Roy can indeed hold his high. Didn't mean to be rude earlier as nice to see him gain redemption after L'pool

we're not going home
we're not going home
we're not going
we're not going
we're not going home!
Oi!
😀

job done 8)

every game's a bonus from now on.

Now, about the disallowed goal?

Well won Woy 🙂

Well done Engerland...I haven't seen the goal-line incident. Was it over the line? They're saying on the radio that it was. Anyway, with France capitulating in the ****y manner that only a team of cheating weak-willed shitheads like them can do, an England draw would have seen them top the group. So all good. I'm pleased for Roy too. Hopefully Spain will dispatch Les Cheats back to France (in a charter plane too).

To be honest, I reckon Italy and Spain are about as difficult as each other...as tm says, every game's a bonus now. 🙂

Now, about the disallowed goal?

Cheers Sepp! No goal line tech yet.

(Only the ref is to blame for the handball in the penalty area though (or ball to hand if you like))

Offside.

Bless.

Haterz gunna hate 🙂

Parker is a breath of fresh air. No diving, 50s haircut and top bottom done up. Tally bloody ho

England played shit.

But it's not that important. We're unbeaten, group winners and that's already more than anyone dared hope for.

Ive been impressed by Hodgson's decisions and acumen, with rodwell, wilshere and a few more we might be quite menacing by the next world cup.

Talking to me?

Rodwell is terrible.

meh performance

but a win and top, bang on it boys.

roll on sunday

WTF is going on with Waynes barnet? Just shave it off for goodness sake.

EDIT - but thanks for the goal.

never easy. but, got the job done

we have a real chance of beating a poor italian side.

in roy we trust.

I though it was one of the dourest 90 minutes of football I've ever seen, gutted I'm never going to get that time back.

Am I the only one who genuinely didn't think the whole ball was over the whole line after watching all the various replays from all the different angles ?

It was a ****in mile over the line but who cares!!! Did I mention Greece in disguise???

Am I the only one who genuinely didn't think the whole ball was over the whole line

Yes. Pay back after the germany game a few years back?

Also, isnt that what the 4/5/6th official is for??

Get hawk eye involved on the big screens, massive tension and release = win for the game.

ukraine player was offside in build up to disallowed goal, lucky, but strangely fair?

never easy to play host in all or nothing game, decent in the end, see the LFC haters are starting to see why Woy's tactics didn't go down well at Anfield.

Italy will be tough but if we play well, we stand a chance!

pus Gerrard was a cut above the rest, really showing his quality on & off the ball in this tournament! world class

That injury to Lampard is dfinitely a blessing - really allowing us to see the Liverpool Gerrard in England colours.

Pay back after the germany game a few years back?

Even the BBC commentators were throwing this out last night. It would only be payback if it was Germany playing last night. Ukraine didn't profit from the Lampard over-the-line goal.

Get hawk eye involved on the big screens, massive tension and release = win for the game.

ukraine player was offside in build up to disallowed goal, lucky, but strangely fair?

Agree. Interesting question though. In the event of goal line technology being implimented will play leading up to the goal be taken into consideration? Last night being a perfect example. Pause game to allow Hawk Eye to do it's job and a goal is awarded; rewind a few seconds further and see the linesman failed to flag offside? Needs to be like Cricket where the immediate events leading to the goal are factored or it's a fail.

Just imagine if England had needed a win to get through and goal line tech had awarded the goal even though offside? The England fans would have dismantled the stadium and surrounding villages...

Pause game to allow Hawk Eye to do it's job and a goal is awarded; rewind a few seconds further and see the linesman failed to flag offside?

don simon - Member
Now, about the disallowed goal?
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It was only just completely over the line but as he was offside anyway and a draw would have been the same result it doesn't really matter. I wouldn't fancy being the goal-line linesman either, trying to make that call on seeing it once in real time, no thanks.

As for England, utter shit apart from Gerrard and even he's showing his age now. Terry's great when defending set pieces but a joke when he has to chase something. First time we meet a half decent side we'll get embarrassed unless someone starts playing decent football.

Don. I dunno, can't go back far for obvious reasons but the immediate play leading in I would say. The off pitch ref would have to check that the events that put the player in a goal scoring position were legit. Difficult I agree but a fair point no?

Get hawk eye involved on the big screens, massive tension and release = win for the game

Don't favour fourth umpires, TV refs, hawkeye etc myself - maybe OK for those stop/start sports like rugby and cricket where there's always pauses in the play but not football....

...and it would mean the death of the much beloved chants of "the refeere's a winker", "you don't know what you're doing" and "who's the blighter in the black"

Leave the tech for the posh boys and just let's get on with having a laugh, a bit of banter and a whinge over the footy, like it's always been 😀

Difficult I agree but a fair point no?

England's campaign seems to mirror Chelsea's Champions League performances - good team spirit, totally out classed in the midfield, can't keep the ball and make very few chances but somehow keep winning.

You never know......................

Thing is, even the sports that have the tech always end up moaning about the decisions, just adds another layer of blame to the situation - keep it real time and accept that mistakes will happen, it's all part of it.....

neninja - Member
England's campaign seems to mirror Chelsea's Champions League performances - good team spirit, totally out classed in the midfield, can't keep the ball and make very few chances but somehow keep winning.

Yes, and let's face it - no team has really set these championships alight have they.
Could well see England making further progress by relying on hard work, organisation and a bit of luck...

..that's why football is [i]the[/i] team sport, so unpredictable and so many ways to put together a winning performance

as far as the ukraine'goal' is concerned, i thought it was over the line.

tough titty on them. just like we've had to suck up disallowed goals against argentina, portugal, germany.

so it goes.

Who was offside in the lead up to the goal?

I've re-watched it loads ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18509615) and I can't see either player offside.

Apparently it's cut and dried, a clear offside.
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hilldodger - Member

Thing is, even the sports that have the tech always end up moaning about the decisions, just adds another layer of blame to the situation - keep it real time and accept that mistakes will happen, it's all part of it.....

It works very well in cricket with the umpires making a decision on the ground and the players having to appeal if they think its wrong with a very limited number of appeals - the tv replay umpire then has to find evidence to overturn the call on the field. If its inconclusive then it goes with whatever decision was made live. It has led to more correct decisions

In rugby union I don't think they have it right as they cannot examine anything but the act of scoring but I like the two questions aspect, league is better in that the replay ref can look at more the live ref will ask them to look at specific things in the run up to the score as well such as offsides.

However I really am not sure if it would work in soccer - maybe for over the line or not but not for anything else or every goal would have to be looked at in detail

I am not sure for football

Fact of the day:

Roy Hodgson took Fulham to the europa league final where they knocked out Ukrainians in Donetsk. Beat Italians in the next round, defeated Germans in the semi finals and lost to a Spanish team in the final.

You can't see the offside from that clip, but the guy that receives the initial pass is offside when the pass is made, it just looks like he's onside by the time he appears in view.

Yeah, footie's different. The TV refs in cricket and rugby act at a time when there's a natural stop in the game anyway. It's more of a decision on how to re-start, ie new or existing batsman, 5metre scrum or kick the extra points for a try.
Last night's footie was a massive, unbelievable mistake from the goal-line official, who should have opened his eyes. I reckon he could still get it wrong even with a tv screen.
But you can't stop a game to watch replays, so the only technology possibility for me is the goal line/ in-ball sensors to give the ref an immediate signal.

the best team won, nothing more to say

Roll on the Quarter Finals.

Portugal to win - 3-1
Germany to continue the march - 2-0
Spain to progress - 5-3 on penalties

Whatever happens im not expecting a dull match with the Italians.

loum - Member
But you can't stop a game to watch replays, so the only technology possibility for me is the goal line/ in-ball sensors to give the ref an immediate signal.

i kind of agree but when half the squad end up chasing the ref round the pitch whinging it causes just as much delay

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jesus, the standard to putting "funny" text over a picture really has gone down hill.

i guess that its due to the mad rush to get the creation out on FB/twitter

That is amazingly poor

just like we've had to suck up disallowed goals against argentina

if that pic is gonna be done properly, it needs a crayon outline "cock'n'balls"(tm)

Regarding the disallowed goal -

If you asked Terry if it had crossed the line I don't think he could honestly say if the ball was over line or not.

It shows that the chap on the line is as useless as we all thought, however in his defence, the ball was just over the line & in real time I wouldn't want to make that call that close.

My two points above are why football needs goal line technology. However it needs to be something instant that doesn't halt the game because...

What if the ball hadn't crossed the line? The England break straight after almost led to a goal. If the game had been paused then England wouldn't have had that chance... food for thought.

RFID woven into outer surface of ball. Sensors in goal mouth. All of the ball crosses all of the line and you could trigger a beep in the refs ear, a siren or a firework display.

If you asked Terry [s]if it had crossed the line [/s]anything I don't think he could honestly [s]say if the ball was over line or not[/s]answer

FTFY

 

just seen the spain and france line ups. no nasri for france and no torres for spain.

was looking forward to this one but i think it might be a cagey old affair after all.

hope spain aren't as dull as they were in game one.

Debuchy's a good bet for 1st scorer. Priced as a defender but playing RW.

😀

another one paced bore-a-thon from spain.

can only see germany or italy winning the thing from here.

hate to say this but it will be a victory for the beautiful game if the germans win it.

I've found myself enjoying & even cheering for the Germans at this tournament. They've got a really good side & are playing great football. I fancy them to beat Portugal in the final.

Just saw this on Gary lineker's Twitter feed - Stat of the day - every time an Olympichost has qualified for the Euro finals they've won it. West Germany 72 & Greece 04...

I've found myself enjoying & even cheering for the Germans at this tournament. They've got a really good side & are playing great football. I fancy them to beat Portugal in the final.

don't know that i fancy portugal to see spain off in the semi. they've played with two luxury players so far in ronaldo and nani and they won't be able to do that against spain.

i wouldn't guarantee germay to beat italy in the other semi either.

still it's good that the whole thing is still open to everyone (except england imho)

Nerves are building already!!! Who's gonna be watching and where?? First game at the pub for me tonight!! Wife already on standby for a lift to work in the morning if things go awry!!!

every time an Olympichost has qualified for the Euro finals they've won it. West Germany 72 & Greece 04..

I reckon it's going to be the most cagey game of the tournament so far, and it could go either way, but it'll be one nil. I reckon Woy's 50/50 assertion is bang on. We actually look pretty organised at the back. And i don't think i've ever said that about an Engerland squad!

Might have a punt on Stevie G for the first goal

We actually look pretty organised at the back.

apart from the fact that every goal that we've conceded has come from either defending too deep or from the opposition being totally unmarked at set plays.

so far we've been lucky. i think our luck will run out tonight.

conversely - I think that the Ukraine game will be a bit of a wake-up, and that the best may be yet to come from our creative players and forwards.

Rooney looked off the pace, unsurprising as first game since end of season. I think Young, Walcott, AOC have much more to give. Defoe and his pace may make an appearance. Andy Carroll could trouble many defences. I don't have [i]high[/i] expectations but I don't think we are out yet.

LOL, The German presenter announcing the teams, listed Balloteli as "Mad Mario".

binners, That looks like a good shout. 🙂

Why is Rooney so massively rubbish when he plays for England?

Not that he's the only offender of course but he's so talented yet looks an utter donkey most of the time for England.

(hopefully he'll score now to prove me wrong 🙂 )

so when do we go out to penalties? 😀

About half an hour ago ideally.

another one paced bore-a-thon from spain.

England just lack purpose they never seem to want to play to win.

Lacking quality. We've had no creative midfielder since Gazza and our passing has been atrocious!

Where's Roy Keane when you need him? 8)

grum - Member

Why is Rooney so massively rubbish when he plays for England?

Hmm. You do know he put England through to the quarter finals, right? Well, him and the assistant referee they had playing in goal

How the hell did Italy not win that in normal time? 😕

Northwind - yes he did but he was generally very poor in that game and missed several sitters. The goal he did score was almost impossible to miss.

Why is Rooney so massively rubbish when he plays for England?

Hadge - Member
Lacking quality. We've had no creative midfielder since Gazza and our passing has been atrocious!

Paul Scholes/Merson

has Young managed to pass to a team mate yet ?

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