Is anyone keeping a running total of what the combined cost of Brexit will be to the UK, across Government and Industry?
The decision alone - without any agreement in terms for going forward, is currently costing us £50M per week.
When the GDP starts to turn further south, expect this to get much worse. THEN add on what we are paying to leave and associated costs.
I think we’re already well over £100bn in those terms.
That could change if we get a biggly beautiful trade deal, but at present account settling circa £40-50bn and loss of GDP growth £60bn by end 2018 (yes before we’ve actually left)
Iain Duncan Smith is being interviewed about it on Five Live about all this.
It makes for pretty depressing listening, knowing that people as profoundly stupid, blinkered, xenophobic and nasty are the ones presently holding the government to ransom and dictating policy.
The reality of this situation seems to be that there is no way these imbeciles will support any deal with the EU that involves paying them anything. There is nothing they won't sacrifice at the altar of their totally irrational anti-EU rhetoric. They're ****ing unhinged, the lot of them
"If we just tell Barnier et al to go **** themselves, at what point would the penalties of being a true third country outweigh the upfront/on-going cost of access to the single market?"
As has been said I'm not sure why it keeps being called a 'divorce bill' - we are simply honouring commitments made whilst members of the EU. If we had done otherwise why would any other country want to enter into a FTA with a country that had a track record of reneging on its obligations under such arrangements.
So if the EU plays hardball, which they're clearly doing, then we'll have to remain in the customs union to prevent a hard border in Ireland as the only acceptable solution?
I said immediately after the referendum that there would be no negotiation and that the EU would present a take it or leave it offer. That is exactly how it's panning out.
On the Irish question there are only two options. Stay in the customs union at the very least, or move the border to the Irish sea. The brexiteer loons won't accept the former, the DUP won't accept the latter. Either way May's days are numbered. We could have a new election very soon.
The brexiteer loons won't accept the former, the DUP won't accept the latter. Either way May's days are numbered. We could have a new election very soon
but no one wants the job, Moggy got all demure when his name was being chucked about as a potential leader
Johnson suddenly shut his mouth when it looked like he was undermining May too much at that amazing Tory conference
the Brexit chalice gets more poisonous by the day, Im not even sure Corbyn is that keen on it right now
issue that finally changes Sinn Féins attitude
Aye Sinn Fein will bin abstentionism just to rescue the brits from brexit.
😆 lala land.
Aye Sinn Fein will bin abstentionism just to rescue the brits from brexit.lala land.
Or, SF (how do you do a fada on windows??) do what they think is most likely to bring about a united Ireland...
Oh well, the fact that all the pharma companies are shitting themselves and scrambling to setup QC labs in mainland Europe is proving to be a boon to me.... I'm getting some nuts... completely and utterly bonkers money... more than double what I am on now... offers for roles that require me to spend half my time in the eurozone.
As has been said I'm not sure why it keeps being called a 'divorce bill' - we are simply honouring commitments made whilst members of the EU.
And yet look at how this is being misrepresented over and over again
.... and by whom
Its almost as if they had their own agenda?
What to overturn the result ?
As has been said I'm not sure why it keeps being called a 'divorce bill' - we are simply honouring commitments made whilst members of the EU.
That's what a divorce bill/settlement is isn't it?
I do feel that we should have been enable to negotiate a number of years of free access, as now, in return for this payment though.
If this Government actually takes us out of the EU, I'm of a mind that perhaps the pain of a couple of years under the terms of a hard Brexit is worthwhile so that the 52% actually understand what membership gave us.
Well most of them seem to ignore the drop in GDP as being irrelevant ignoring the fact we were one of the fastest growing before the vote but now bumping along the bottom.
What to overturn the result ?
I presumed the opposite. Isn't it the outers who coined that phrase? It has pretty negative connotations*, and seems designed to stoke up resentment to 'those bloody Europeans'
* She wants me to pay the children's school fees as well as taking the house?!! Well, she can bally well whistle for it?!!!! 😆
I see there is an option for those keen on the "divorce bill":
https://www.gofundme.com/pay-our-brexit-divorce-bill
😆
Oh well, the fact that all the pharma companies are shitting themselves and scrambling to setup QC labs in mainland Europe is proving to be a boon to me.... I'm getting some nuts... completely and utterly bonkers money... more than double what I am on now... offers for roles that require me to spend half my time in the eurozone.
Sounds awesome to me 🙂
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:large]Brexiteers' wibbling on Ireland taken down in style[/url]
If the 'grown ups' have been talking, what exactly is the f'in point of David Davis?
Comedy Value..
Isn't he getting raf'ed in for 5k a throw rather than that useful Eurostar thing as well or is that just tabloid stirring.
StefMcDef - that's bloody brilliant!! 😆
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/it-took-six-months-and-a-lot-of-work-but-weve-caved-completely-says-david-davis-20171129140020 ]A statement just issued by David Davis[/url]
^ 😆 (@Stef’s link)
A lot more entertaining than some of the Ireland related wibbling I’ve had to read on this thread.
😀
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/29/labour-demands-vote-for-mps-on-brexit-divorce-bill ]It would appear that the labour party's strategy to unseat May is becoming clearer.[/url]
And Hogan sending +ve vibes now......
We might even start proper negotiations soon 😉
[url= http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20171129IPR89108/brexit-progress-but-not-enough ]EU Parliament not convinced enough progress has been made [/url]
Despite this, considerable problems remain, which pose a fundamental question as to whether sufficient progress has been achieved. These issues have already been underlined by the Brexit Steering Group in its Statement of 8 November on citizens' rights. While all of them remain important, we wish to call your attention to the following issues.First, we cannot accept any differentiated treatment between core family members. Bold steps should be taken now to prevent this from happening and to overcome the current deadlock. In particular, we should avoid creating a situation in which children of EU citizens born from different relationships would find themselves having a different legal status from that of children born before Brexit, therefore resulting in a possible split of families.
Second, on the administrative procedure required in order to achieve so-called "settled status", we take note of the progress made in the last weeks, but can only reiterate that this must be an automatic, cost-free process in the form of a simple declaration, placing the burden of proof on the UK authorities to challenge the declaration.
If we offered EU citizens third country equivalent status what would their reaction be?
Ach, just offer FoM of labour. It’s easier.
Yes no need to worry about UK citizens rights after all 😯
It’ll be right.
Probably - since it’s been a bluff from the start to prevent negotiations rather than a serious issue 😯
Yay, let's celebrate paying at least £40bn to be worse off.
This is the beginning of the end for Brexit. The EU have us over a barrel, after we obligingly put ourselves there.
Best to call the whole thing off now.
And yes, to hell with the 'majority'. They were wrong. The grown-ups know better. No shame in admitting it, guys.
Smug, moi? You betcha.
teamhurtmore - Member
As has been said I'm not sure why it keeps being called a 'divorce bill' - we are simply honouring commitments made whilst members of the EU.
And yet look at how this is being misrepresented over and over again
See what I mean?
‘Course, if we agree reciprocal FoM labour, we’ll probably get a decent trade deal and the combination will mean the Irish border won’t be an issue.
the racists wont be accepting the free movement of labour as they oppose immigration
the RW wont be supporting it as they only support the free movement of Money as they value that above people.
Clearly "immigration" was one of the main reason for the Leave vote and clearly May - who failed every year as Home secretary to address this - does actually want to do the christian thing and shut the door on others.
IMHO there is no way this tory party with that leader will budge on it but i hope I am wrong.
More relief and reality
IFS debunks the scare stories on hit to public finances noting that most of the bill was money the UK would be paying in if it had stayed in the EU and the fact that the more important issue is growth...
...cue
... upgrade of UK growth forecasts in 2018 and 2019 yesterday by a German bank!!
Not good days for the doomsday brigade but better for the rest of us. En marche!
I thought those upgrades were from shoddy to poor when I looked THM. Did I get that wrong?
And as for the money being money we’d have paid anyway if we’d stayed, I’d hope so,isn’t that what settling our accounts means?
The second one at least isn’t news, the first merely slightly less gloomy news - no?
IFS debunks the scare stories on hit to public finances noting that most of the bill was money the UK would be paying in if it had stayed in the EU and the fact that the more important issue is growth...
So just the UK pays and gets nothing in return, what page of the brochure was that on 😉
Yes IGM you did 😉
Does it go over 2% growth then?
Quick check suggests they’re on their own if they forecast over 2%.
2%+ ??? Calm down - it’s not a boom 😉
So the Eurozone is booming?
rumours of breakthrough re Irish Border
Davis foleded again? months of pointless posturing has damaged the UKs credibility & economy
waits to see how the DUP react
StefMcDef - that's bloody brilliant!!A statement just issued by David Davis
Utter genius because it is totally true! 😀
So is every stage of progress going to be greeted with dismay?
