Don't think you'd get far with that.
It'd be worth it to see the frothing from the likes of the Daily Heil.
Gibratar, So how are we going to fix that one then?
Sell it back to Spain for £40Bn?
[quote=oldnpastit ]Gibratar, So how are we going to fix that one then?
Sell it back to Spain for £40Bn?
More likely cede it to Spain in return for not vetoing any trade deal we can get with the rEU
Torygraph smoke screen/distraction .......
#BREAKING: Britain and the EU agree Brexit divorce bill
— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) November 28, 2017
Spain will be very happy to just shut the gate and walk away leaving the Rock to rot.
perditus - MemberTorygraph smoke screen/distraction .......
#BREAKING: Britain and the EU agree Brexit divorce bill
— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) November 28, 2017
The responses there right now are amazing though
Politics are more important than economics though
"Whether an agreement has been reached or not, multiple Brussels sources told The Independent that the financial settlement had been eclipsed by the Irish border issue and citizens’ rights in recent days – a sign it is no longer the main sticking point in discussions."
The responses there right now are amazing though
Old Bob sounds a real joy. Fought in the troubles, if it weren't for men like him we'd all be speaking Irish 8O.
We get that there are countries that are not members of the EU, but operate in the SM and/or CU, and so do you. The referendum result was not "the people" asking to be outside either the SM or CU, that is a decision being made by politicans
You keep getting lost in the incorrect frames of reference
It’s not in/out or outside. I posted the relevant links before. We gave up, or are giving up, our MEMBERSHIP of the EU/SM/CU and we are now negotiating, or at least should be but can’t for obvious reasons, the terms under which we continue to have ACCESS to the single market in future.
Membership of v Access to. Repeat 100x
Pretending that people don’t get that/didn’t get that is disingenuous, unless of course that is what non-democrats dont get - or pretend they don’t get. You choose
perditus - Member
Torygraph smoke screen/distraction .......#BREAKING: Britain and the EU agree Brexit divorce bill
— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) November 28, 2017
/p>The responses there right now are amazing though
Your not wrong !!!!
Can you actually impeach a PM ?
The comments are so batshit bonkers you can’t be sure they’re serious or taking the p.
Pretending that people don’t get that/didn’t get that is disingenuous, unless of course that is what non-democrats dont get - or pretend they don’t get. You choose
I think you are being slightly disingenuous in ascribing the referendum as a proper exercise in democracy. It wasn't for any number of reasons as is becoming apparent - some sort of soft right wing putsch possibly to set an agenda that could not possibly be achieved at a general election.
Those Torygraph comments have just confirmed my belief that their readership consists mainly of retired major generals who, prior to discovering Twitter, would write rambling angry letters to local papers in green ink
“The traitor Theresa May must be removed from power immediately! By military means if necessary!”
Absolutely hatstand! 😆
BOB FOR KING!!!
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And also looks like the grown ups have been having their meetings after all and that a sensible compromise has been reached - phased payments and rebates to bring the actual number back to an acceptable level for all.
As you were....
Terribly undemocratic perditus to let the great unwashed have a say. Too thick to vote 😯 perhaps they read the Indy and the Guradian (or Torygraph) uncritically, poor things.
As you were....
You wish.
DD possibly in contempt of parliament?
The final bill unlikely to be disclosed?
The grown-ups, as you call them, haven't a fing clue.
Stop being so bloody condescending.
was the irony intended there?
Irony?
Oh my sides.
Do share your wit..
Edit: or rather should I say....what goes, comes around. Enjoy.
Guardian reporting a figure of 57 billion. So much for them whistling for it eh?
Can you hear that?
That’s the sound of brexiteers heads exploding in incandescent rage!
Tomorrow’s tabloid headlines should be fun.
teamhurtmore - Member
And also looks like the grown ups have been having their meetings after all and that a sensible compromise has been reached - phased payments and rebates to bring the actual number back to an acceptable
The grown ups - as mentioned earlier "Brussels sources told The Independent that the financial settlement had been eclipsed by the Irish border issue and citizens’ rights in recent days – a sign it is no longer the main sticking point in discussions."
so these people who you and others claim (extraordinarily condescendingly) have no 'kin clue etc are delivering a compromise deal which each side can claim is progress
Must be tough to realise that they are a lot smarter than you claim. At least if the FT coverage is correct.
57 Billion?
That's never true is it?
I wonder if that'll be enough to get talks going. Domestic difficulties appear to have been solved in Ireland, and thm said that that Varadkar et al's hard line statements on Brexit/NI Border were only noise to distract from the problems with the Tánaiste, so looks like it's Unicorns-a-go-go now that she's resigned. 😆
Kilo - watch this space. December 6th roll on...
Business may be able to start getting back to work - no wonder the £ rallied !
Terribly undemocratic perditus to let the great unwashed have a say. Too thick to vote perhaps they read the Indy and the Guradian (or Torygraph) uncritically, poor things.
Depends upon what information and facts were put to the electorate prior to them having their say. If that was lies then that was not an informed decision was it but no doubt that suits your leave agenda. Even those charged with murder are allowed to plead diminished responsibility etc.
so these people who you and others claim (extraordinarily condescendingly) have no 'kin clue etc are delivering a compromise deal which each side can claim is progress
Id wait until May's bosses have e their say, some will find that unacceptable given the earlier statements that we owed practicality nothing.
Anyway nice use of the word condescending...
well those "grown ups " on the UK side did not do a very good job , did they ???
FT reporting 100 billions reducing to 45 , 55 .
is that really a good deal for the UK ? 😆
If the 'grown ups' have been talking, what exactly is the f'in point of David Davis? Still, at least we have a proposal both sides can work on now. So to the really meaty issue of the Irish border........ is Dave turning his mind to that now?
Every.one can claim a victory - so yes a "good" deal if reports are correct
Unless you are a remoaner of course, in which case it flies in the face of the narrative that they have been pursuing since we lost the vote.
57 billion quid - would go a long way in the NHS.
this lunacy is beyond belief.
So to the really meaty issue of the Irish border........ is Dave turning his mind to that now?
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Nope it's exactly what most have been predicting, the UK would be forced to accept a leave bill much greater than anybody on the leave side or government was willing to admit to, that several ministers said they would tell them to whistle for and the pm had to face her euro skeptic rebels to agree this internally.
It's a climbdown by the UK and is setting the tone for the next lot of negotiations, Ireland is far from sorted.
It's almost as if you ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrative thm are you the brexit bulldog?
The jury is out.
This Gov have delivered nothing but p1ss & wind since the vote.
Ireland is still an issue.
DD in likely contempt of parliament.
Brexit papers so severely redacted that even Reese-Mogg is complaining
The final bill likely to be anywhere between £57b & £89b - according to the Graun.
How long has it taken to get to here & how little time is left?
A catastro**** & no mistake..
from zero to 57 billions and it is a good deal ? have another 😆
Nice try Mike, but wrong.
The bill is pretty much smack in the middle of expectations with a fudge/compromise that allows each side to claim some victory. That is unless remoaners are unhappy for us to honour our obligations?!?
Thank goodness we are making "some" progress, business can get back to what it does best
Long commerce/ short Costa and Starbucks froth makers 😉
That is indeed excellent news for Mitty Industries and their legion of imported workers
So.. do you think most people would accept this leaving bill? Should we have a referendum on it? Cos you know, democracy is important isn't it?
The bill is pretty much smack in the middle of expectations with a fudge/compromise that allows each side to claim some victory
I think you've badly misread the mood of brexies and what the Brexiters have been promising them, sod off, go whistle etc etc
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David Davis has sought to calm Tory anger over Theresa May’s Brexit speech by saying the UK will not face a £40bn divorce bill as a result of leaving the EU.Ahead on the next round of crunch talks with Brussels, the Brexit Secretary said reports around the final financial settlement were “made up” and claimed the power of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) would end in 2019 when Britain formally leaves the bloc.
INDEPENDENT.CO.UK
The bill is pretty much smack in the middle of expectations with a fudge/compromise that allows each side to claim some victory. That is unless remoaners are unhappy for us to honour our obligations?!?
Seriously get a grip and put the partisan crap away for a bit. It's way higher than anything from leave during the vote, it's way higher than senior ministers were willing to even look at, it's higher than the restless back bench will accept and starts to paint a serious picture of the true cost of Brexit which will end up being greater prolonged membership.
dont be bring facts into his trolling mike ...beginners mistake
remoaners won't accept any progress - the ultimate goal is to frustrate the democratic outcome by whatever means are necessary. Bit of a set back today though....
Good for the rest of us ( caveat, only reading articles from papers while in a rainy Madrid where there is a bloody taxi strike tomorrow 😯 you have to love Europe 😉 )
Can't believe you guys keep feed the troll. Classic THM today, he really knows how to push your buttons...
Anyways
THEGUARDIAN.COM So, any guesses as to who the Russian bots on here are?
Remainers are just laughing tonight , nothing else .
Aye brexiters capitulating is indeed a setback for remainers
There is spin then there is BS and beyond that your posts
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Blimey Mike do you take Bojo's BS as gospel? Big mistake, big mistake
If we get away with 40-50bn that's smack in the middle of what rational people were saying
100 alone would be a loss for sure
Sorry that the milk must taste so sour tonight but allow us business folk our moment of relief!!
Well, he just makes himself look more of an idiot in the end, first steps in the democratic destruction of the tory party today, they will be exploding, the mail won't know who are the bigger enemy of the people by the morning.
Looks like funding might take a couple more down there too.
