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I will leave that to those who are better qualified
I'd happily go with that, if only I'd seen some evidence, a soupcon of a plan, or had some prior confidence in the people that are doing it.
But we've got the Brexit Bulldog and an idiot from Eton and a plan that basically consists of some colours and a catchphrase.
I'm positively shitting myself with anticipation about how great it'll be once we've left it to the 'better qualified'.
I read as many of the parliamentary briefings on this topic as I can - the joys of commuting - and they tell me that there are plenty of experts with plenty on expertise working be advising on all aspects of Brexshit
You just have to step away from the obsessive focus on the Brexshiteers. Contrary to what many believe, they are not in real control
I wish I had your pollyanna-ish faith THM. Do you have any feeling for when the solution to the Irish problem will make its long-awaited appearance? With all these geniuses working on it, it surely can't be long now....
tick tock
and a plan that basically consists of some colours and a catchphrase.
today's winner.
It's gonna be fine guys, I found a hi-tech UK made product the world is begging for.
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Quite easy to get on with it when you can.
A lot harder when you have no choice in the matter.
I read as many of the parliamentary briefings on this topic as I can - the joys of commuting - and they tell me that there are plenty of experts with plenty on expertise working be advising on all aspects of Brexshit
This relies on the muppets in charge actually listening to them, given their track record, I'm not holding out much hope.
Well I thought I was the biggest cynic re politicians on STW. I was obviously wrong (although this could be the anti Tory bias)
CPn - there is no simple solution, so I have no ST expectations. I merely note the reason why the EU make this a prerequisite for moving on. As subtle as a brick.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]there are plenty of experts with plenty on expertise working be advising on all aspects of Brexshit
Experts? We've had enough of them.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]I merely note the reason why the EU make this a prerequisite for moving on.
The reason you think. Maybe the EU realise that it's an issue which has to be solved in order for Brexit to happen and that it's utterly pointless wasting time discussing anything else if there isn't going to be a solution...
merely note the reason why the EU make this a prerequisite for moving on.
Maybe because the EU/Ireland consider the GFA to be of some importance unlike the Little Englander kippers who frankly don't care and want to go back the bad old days.
Not sure if has been said already but was not the biggest mistake of the government and Brexit to trigger article 50 and start the clock ticking without a plan agreed by both sides as to what was going to be the deal? It seems to be totally and utterly bonkers for them to start a ticking clock triggering a procedure "article 50" that seems to be 100% in the EU's favour. The simple fact that you cannot negotiate new trade deals in the transition but loose all the existing ones when exiting is a bit of a arm lock.
Were the people in charge actually thinking at all about how this might pan out?
I know they would be pressured to doing something about Brexit by those that support it but it seems it would have been better for the UK if the UK government had used it as a threat and obstructed EU working within the structures to get some kind of plan together before triggering it.
I suppose triggering Article 50 locked the UK into leaving but they could have been a bit more patient and not made a dogs dinner of the whole thing. Maybe the dogs dinner was inevitable.
the EU refused to negotiate till it was triggered so the UK govt had little choice on this outcome.was not the biggest mistake of the government and Brexit to trigger article 50 and start the clock ticking without a plan agreed by both sides as to what was going to be the deal?
Good job old Jezza was not in charge. He was in even more of a rush
They could always have worked out what they wanted, how they were going to negotiate and put in place the required resources (or made sure they actually had some) first though, rather than waiting until after A50. Maybe coming up with solutions to the little problems which were otherwise likely to block progress could have been a good idea too...
the EU refused to negotiate till it was triggered so the UK govt had little choice on this outcome.
Thats fine, but what was the UKs negotiating positioning going into the talks? Why is there still no single narrative from the UK.
Yes it would been impossible to get everything, but to get anything you want it helps to set out what it is you want, oh, and to make those wishes remotely tenable.
And certain obvious issues, such as NI should have been nailed down long before A50 was triggered.
But the UK could have refused to do other things to stop the eu working it would have been better than what is happening now.
But the UK could have refused to do other things to stop the eu working it would have been better than what is happening now.
Depending on what you mean , there are means where by the EU could expel a member and when that member already said they were going... It would have been even messier though.
Amusing number of brexies sputtering in anger on BBC HYS betrayed by May- (she's a secret remoaner saboteur !!)
Unbelievably they still believe the Tory brexies lie that we can just leave with no deal & British vigour & rigour (mortis?) will see us through.... .
20bn is just the downpayment too, will the gov ever admit to the final bill & continued liabilities ?
No wonder Jambs did a runner
Anyone read Barnier’s press release today? 😀
Longest cabinet meeting since the UK fell off the ERM.
20bn is just the downpayment too, will the gov ever admit to the final bill & continued liabilities ?
Interesting to see how they won't, surely it would have to be published in the annual budget? Whilst it may not be headlined by them, i am sure the press would seek the numbers out. Further freedom of information request, on what grounds would they be refused?
teamhurtmore - Member
Good job old Jezza was not in charge. He was in even more of a rushPOSTED 52 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Again, totally missing the point. It's not a party political issue that Brexit is a really, really shit idea and should be reversed. It's Cameron's fault for causing all this and both the Tories and Labour now being craven to an advisory vote that went the way it did through a combination of gullibility, crass stupidity, insularity, racism and ingratitude.
Henceforth I will never, ever vote for any party that endorses this madness.
No wonder Jambs did a runner
Eventually even the fanatics will have to face reality.
So i guess the question is what does she want, less than Norway and more than Canada.
As Norway isn't part of the Customs Union that could be an issue, basically creates a hard border in Ireland and also in Dover, basically screwing import/export death by red tape, breaches the GFA etc. Also doesn't want to be in the single market which again Norway is party to.
Just to keep the Kippers happy and ban immigrants, wonder what the plan is re pensioners in Spain et al?
I thought we were getting cake & unicorns?
Well done THM, when all else fails you can always fall back on "labour would be worse".
Well, so what? How is that a solution to anything?
When faced with a shit sandwich, do you just say "at least it's not got a dead rat in it too" and chow down?
mrmo, its more like she wants more benefits than both Norway and Canada, but less costs than either.
Given that Theresa May is utterly spineless, and that we're all effectively hostages to the bunfight at the top of the Tory party, I fully expect her statement tomorrow will be the same vague, vacuous sound-bite-heavy meaningless 'cake and eat it' drivel as all her previous contributions
I'm sure that I'll listen to/watch it while muttering "oh FFS?!". I imagine I won't be alone in that
Anyone heard anything from the Labour Party recently? Just out of interest? Have I missed anything?
Anyone heard anything from the Labour Party recently? Just out of interest? Have I missed anything?
WTF would they want to be associated with the shitshow that's Brexit?
Corbyn was canny enough to keep it ambiguous during the GE,
he'd be wise just to let the Tories face the consequences of the Brexiters lies.
thecaptain - Member
Well done THM, when all else fails you can always fall back on "labour would be worse".Well, so what? How is that a solution to anything?
When faced with a shit sandwich, do you just say "at least it's not got a dead rat in it too" and chow down?
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Precisely.
Cue another "you're just a bunch of cynical, naysaying wreckers" flounce with an exhortation to "get on with it".
<Yawns, checks watch..... yep, still going>
Tick, tock, tick, tock.
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Oh look, here comes Boris with the big print guide to bomb disposal.
Farce, farce, farce.
I thought we were getting cake & unicorns?
Whoa, I go to NEC for the bike show and someone adds cake to the bung. That MK1 unicorn needs work Mike!
Again, totally missing the point. It's not a party political issue that Brexit is a really, really shit idea and should be reversed.
Tell that to the marines
It's Cameron's fault for causing all this and both the Tories and Labour now being craven to an advisory vote that went the way it did through a combination of gullibility, crass stupidity, insularity, racism and ingratitude.
It's always someone else's fault isnt it?? Moan, moan, moan
DD they had read 5k words of TMs speech - that's 1k more than Boris' nonsense (that took me three efforts) - and then "agree" 😉 I am surprised they are still not there.
Barniers hard tone was balanced by soft stuff form France and Belgium. It's nonsense to suggest that hey are not scared of brexshit too
Also great Swedish cartoon today which would make Jambas, ninfan and that other bloke happy. To late now that they have been silenced
@kimbers. What's wrong with cake? Not sure about unicorns, could they be used in a Tesco burger?
WTF would they want to be associated with the shitshow that's Brexit?
Who knows he may be the one executing brexshit. At least he is a genuine leaver unlike May
Also great Swedish cartoon today which would make Jambas, ninfan and that other bloke happy. To late now that they have been silenced
I don't understand. Jamby is posting on other threads, so he hasn't been 'silenced'.
What a curious thing to say.
THM. Have you seen anything at all so far in the 'negotiations' to suggest that the U.K. is going to be better off or at least the same after Brexit?
If the answer is 'yes', please state what it is.
Otherwise, why the **** should I be happy with this shambles?
"scared" 😯
Far too early to tell. My default position is that we will ALL be worse off. That hasn't changed. So I am not happy about that
Where I differ is (1) I have moved on from pretending it isn't going to happen and (2) I believe that the risks are manageable given a sensible approach. Both sides have too much too lose. In my specific field, it's all pretty clear in terms of scenarios and most players have well established contingency plans in place. So from that narrow and admittedly selfish perspective I am simply keen to - what's the expression - get on with it.
Jambas was understandibly pissed off by the constant abuse. Others have been silenced. Pretty poor
Jambas was understandibly pissed off by the constant abuse.
Nah he was just upset that he got called on his BS
Eg initially (pre vote) said that we sent EU 350m a week
Then post vote denied he'd ever said it, obviously simple task to show him his earlier post.
Then recently said we did send the EU 350m after all.
Everyone gets things wrong, no one like to admit mistakes but such barefaced BS is going to attract criticism, in many ways good example of the whole debate.
Edukator (sic) to help you out here's today's (real in this case) views from Belgium
" countries are pleading for a soft brexshit to save trade ....45% of exports from Zeebrugge were to U.K."
So it's SCARED, ok?
How was Jamba abused?
No, we just need to make it work
There is no way it can be made to work
there is no feasable solution to the NI border, we are losing massive amounts of trade and investment, its a simple clusterfart
As for the idea there are allthese people beavering away to make it work. Every position paper so far has been sheer nonsense. There are simply not the people with the required expertise ( according to the former civil service head and the former EU commisioner)- and there are no politically acceptable solutions.
Of course the tories want you to believe its allgoing swimminly when actually its a humiliation on a huge scale. Remember Davis with his "it will be the biggest row of the year" over him wanting trade talks before anything else - he backed down within hours of attending his first meeting.
This is the problem, Brexiters (&the press) sold Brexit on fantasy, the Tories too scared to disavow it have carried on.
Now they have to sell a compromise, they said they wouldn't have to make.
There is no way it can be made to work
Sounds like the defeatist rallying call of the passive
we are losing massive amounts of trade and investment,
No we are not. Stop making things up.
This is the problem, Brexiters (&the press) sold Brexit on fantasy, the Tories too scared to disavow it have carried on.
In contrast, we sold fear that was over egged* and didn't work. We failed to present a clear vision of why the status quo was best
Now they have to sell a compromise, they said they wouldn't have to make.
Now we have to take responsibility, accept the risks, manage them and ...... get on with dealing with it.
* some folk who don't understand economics even thought brexshit would lead to a recession with GDP falling 4%. It's far too easy to mislead those poor folk
Pigface - Member
How was Jamba abused?POSTED 20 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
He was disagreed with when talking bollocks.
That's 'abuse' in the world of the diehard brexiteer.
It's also unpatriotic, don't you know.
Jambas was understandibly pissed off by the constant abuse.
A bit rich from the most condescending, mickey taking, provocative member in the whole wide STW world.
"SCARED", maybe a few people in the inport/export business but whole countries, no. Besides you still have to eat.