[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

The EU has nothing to deliver. It's not asking for brexit. It doesn't know what the UK is looking for (other than a mishmash of contradictory interviews and speeches from the three brexiteers and their glorious leader)

Yes it does and they are aware of the sticking points in what we would like to achieve. They are obvious to all.

Some small compromises have been reached but substantive issues remain - unfortunately the Eu doesn't want to engage on those issues yet. Very odd, unless it's a deliberate tactic

That's remarkable THM. You're trying to stick blame on the EU for the UK making inconsistent and impossible demands with no plausible solution.

THM, I demand you give me a unicorn. If you don't come up with constructive proposals towards my getting a unicorn, it will all be on your head.

No I am not

You may demand until the cows come home. It won't get you very far

I’ll give you a unicorn, it’ll be beautiful, it’ll be the greatest unicorn ever*

*Note; unicorn not guaranteed.

THM, you're fired. I'm negotiating with igm from now on.

Sorry thecaptain, I just remembered I want to do a unicorn deal with THM first.

And maybe start a war with someone. Not really bothered who, but it’ll be to defend the citizens of the Unicorn States of Amnesia when I do. I need a small isolated, easily defeated country.

Once you have found the unicorn I will start proper negotiations - that sounds reasonable doesn't it?

Er you what

Perhaps .. but you did contradict yourself would you like cappuccino, latte or Americano?

On other matters is it causation or correlation to link the mood of some posters and the name at the top of this list
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

Surprised Ugo Ehiogu isn't higher up on the list given some of the names....

Poor old Vince!

(Just submitting my analysis on impact of Brexshit that I co-wrote last week. Sods Law TM might actually say something important in Florence tomorrow and it will need a redraft!!)

TM might actually say something important

😆

Everyone knows you can't farm unicorns, they have to be reared free range or their horns fall off.

Maybot won't say anything that important, unless she's had a complete OS update.
At best some minor tweaks to EU citizens offer, nothing but unicorns for the NI border and a £20bn downpayment on our exit bill.

Will be interesting to see what the hard Brexit clowns in the Tory party have to say about that, I suspect Redwoods pulse may even breach 20bpm for a short while. Johnson will be ruffling his hair in preparation for the pre-arranged doorstepping, Mogg probably beating a servant with excitement that he'll get to be outraged on QT soon.

TM might actually say something important in Florence tomorrow

"Brexit means Brexit".

"Strong and stable".

"No deal is better than a bad deal".

"Deep and special partnership".

Right that's that done. What's next?

Sods Law TM might actually say something important in Florence tomorrow and it will need a redraft!!

I wouldn't lose much sleep worrying about that

Brexit means Brexit

repeat to fade....

TM might actually say something important in Florence tomorrow

I'll have a pint of whatever it was lead to this statement. 😀

Unicorns, we want unicorns!

I need a small isolated, easily defeated country.

I've heard that before.

a small isolated, easily defeated country

we resemble that remark...

Breaking news.

BoJo threatening to resign having found out May is speaking[b] in[/b] Florence. Apparently he though she was speaking to Ms Nightingale.

I need a small isolated, easily defeated country

Ireland?

Ireland?

Well they did kick the English out, or if your generous got a stalemate (NI) so probably not the best example.

"No deal is better than a bad deal".

Can you imagine starting divorce proceedings with that line?

"Okay, don't slam the door on the way out."

[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/21/liar-boris-johnson-europe-trust-britain-brexit-bill ]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/21/liar-boris-johnson-europe-trust-britain-brexit-bill[/url]

I don't know why anyone is worried about national humiliation as a result of asking for Brexit to be called off. Boris et al are achieving this anyway!

We need to back out of this quickly, before the rest of Europe realise truly what a bunch of insular muppets we really are!

No, we just need to make it work

The decision has been made

[quote=teamhurtmore ]No, we just need to make it work
The decision has been made

Cool. So when will thecaptain be getting his unicorn?

I don't know why anyone is worried about national humiliation as a result of asking for Brexit to be called off. Boris et al are achieving this anyway!

I'm just going to put this out there, in case it hadn't crossed your mind yet.... 3 words....

Tory. Party. Conference.

With the barking mad swivel-eyed loons most definitely in the ascendency, and still giddy on their 'victory', and with Euro-bashing, and 'I'm more Brexit than you' being the flavour of the day generally, can you just picture how toe-curlingly embarrassing its going to be?

An unholy cacophony of xenophobic, flag-waving, closed-minded, blame-Jonny-foreigner, 2-world-wars-and-a-world-cup babbling, as the blue-rinse cadavers in the audience cheer on in a rapturous, demented fervour, like some hellish undead vision of a Brit winning Wimbledon*

And these people are apparently in charge and running the country

To paraphrase Trainspotting

Some hate the Tories. I don't. They're just ****ers. We, on the other hand, are COLONISED by ****ers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any ****king difference

I don't think I can stand to watch it! It'll be like a BNP rally in a home for the terminally bewildered!

* A proper one! A nice boy from the home counties. Not some frightful interloper from the provinces.

binners - Member

I don't know why anyone is worried about national humiliation as a result of asking for Brexit to be called off. Boris et al are achieving this anyway!

I'm just going to put this out there, in case it hadn't crossed your mind yet.... 3 words....

Tory. Party. Conference.

With the barking mad swivel-eyed loons most definitely in the ascendency, and still giddy on their 'victory', and with Euro-bashing, and 'I'm more Brexit than you' being the flavour of the day generally, can you just picture how toe-curlingly embarrassing its going to be?

An unholy cacophony of xenophobic, flag-waving, closed-minded, blame-Jonny-foreigner, 2-world-wars-and-a-world-cup babbling, as the blue-rinse cadavers in the audience cheer on in a rapturous, demented fervour, like some hellish undead vision of a Brit winning Wimbledon*

And these people are apparently in charge and running the country

To paraphrase Trainspotting

Some hate the Tories. I don't. They're just *. We, on the other hand, are COLONISED by *. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete assholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any ****king difference

I don't think I can stand to watch it!

* A proper one! A nice boy from the home counties. Not some frightful interloper from the provinces.

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Yep, this fiasco and football hooliganism - what a wonderful public face we show to Europe.

teamhurtmore - Member

No, we just need to make it work

The decision has been made

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Brilliant!

So, no need to worry, then. Let's just "make it work". Phew.

Boris Johnson and Liam Fox's 'strategy' summed up beautifully.

"Details, details, don't bother me with details, just tell me when it's done".

No, we just need to make it work

And can it be "made to work" before March 2019? Not a cats chance in hell. This isn't about whether it is a good idea or a bad idea. Just is it practicable. Can customs get a system in place, no, can border force get officers in place, no. etc etc etc.

As for the laughable idea that a decision has been made, what decision was that? To give power to the Tory party? Sorry no one won the last election despite May carrying on like nothing has changed. Seem to be seeing some questions over the DUP bung and how long till that fails to materialise. It was not a binding referendum and certainly no more binding than another election.

If Kenyan courts can overthrow the result of a "democratic" election, why can't the UK courts do the same when the same questions have arisen?

Remember it has to be done, here come the Unicorns
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Danny I am working very hard on the details that affect me and making the necessary preparations. Perhaps you could do the same. It's going to happen however much you might complain

Get ready
Get on with it

teamhurtmore - Member
Danny I am working very hard on the details that affect me and making the necessary preparations. Perhaps you could do the same. It's going to happen however much you might complain

Glad your working on your bit but you are still screwed if/when Tory self destruct hits it.

No, we just need to make it work

The decision has been made

If that's how British politics works, why aren't the Whigs still in charge?

Are you working on the NI border issue?
What about the trade deal?
The exit payments?
The FoM issues?

[i]Someone Else[/i] will sort that stuff out.

Otherwise just be a quitling and GET ON WITH IT!

No, we just need to make it work
The decision has been made

Cool. Looking forward to the unicorn. Glad it's not my problem to find one. I'll have a red white and blue one if that's ok with you.

teamhurtmore - Member

Danny I am working very hard on the details that affect me and making the necessary preparations. Perhaps you could do the same. It's going to happen however much you might complain

Get ready
Get on with it

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I really, really hope you are missing the point wilfully here in an attempt to get a rise. Otherwise, well, you're just making yourself look silly. 😐

Danny I am working very hard on the details that affect me and making the necessary preparations. Perhaps you could do the same. It's going to happen however much you might complain

Get ready
Get on with it

Yes, I'm in the process of signing a contract with a German company, and have looked up the possibility of relocating my company to within the EU in case that becomes necessary for future contracts. Apparently Estonia is quite flexible in terms of residency, if the UK loses a bit of tax revenue then so be it.

But given that brexit basically can't happen, I'm not going to lose too much sleep over it in the meantime.

[quote=teamhurtmore ]Danny I am working very hard on the details that affect me and making the necessary preparations. Perhaps you could do the same. It's going to happen however much you might complain
Get ready
Get on with it

FFS THM, get on with it. I'd already done all that I could to make it work months ago. Mind you I haven't promised anybody a unicorn...

Given that religion is taboo on STW I will refrain from quoting St Francis of Assisi's serenity prayer and just say that we can only deal with what we can control and what is in front of us. I can't do anything about the Irish border. I will leave that to those who are better qualified

A hard brexshit will be negative for us for sure but - again a tabbo opinion here - the costs for EU may be even greater. We shall see who blinks first!!!!

and just say that we can only deal with what we can control and what is in front of us. I can't do anything about the Irish border. I will leave that to those who are better qualified

As for blinking first I'd say May, right when the knife hits her back, followed by Borris realising he's not PM then the collective sigh as a GE is called again.

People can have whatever opinions they like (apart from the recently eliminated obviously)

It's up to them if they want to act on then too

Ministers have discussed the possibility of a transition deal with the EU of up to two years, a Cabinet source has told BBC News.
Prime Minister Theresa May is also expected to make an "open and generous" cash offer to the rest of the EU in a bid to unblock Brexit talks.
She will announce the details in a speech in Italy on Friday.

Why?

We know there needs to be a transition
We have committed to settling out obligations

Tories may be a mixed up bunch, but none of that is surprising

That isn't settling the obligations that's a bung before 2020, the settlement still needs to be agreed.
Given the swivel eyed loon side of the party who firmly believe that the EU should be paying the UK to leave etc. writing cheques will upset them greatly.

No, actually there needs to be no transition. You'll work it out eventually.

(alternatively, you can have your transition when I've got my unicorn)