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the opposite to what you suggest, it's potential criminality of disregarding the regs.
??? See underlined sections:
[i]It emerged this week, courtesy of an angry and defensive Belgian agriculture minister, [u]that as far back as November the Dutch authorities received a tipoff that fipronil was being used illegally in farms in the Netherlands. The information wasn’t passed on to other countries despite the highly interlinked agricultural sectors. [/u]The Netherlands says the oversight was because they had launched a fraud investigation and hadn’t considered the health risks.
[u]The Belgians, meanwhile, knew on 2 June this year, entirely by good fortune, that there had been contamination but did not notify the European commission’s Rapid Alert System for Food and Feed (RASFF) – designed to allow food safety agencies to coordinate – until 24 July.[/u]
When the scale of the contamination started to become known, and 180 farms in the Netherlands were forced to shut down, [u]the Belgian food authorities then insisted their citizens didn’t need to worry as dangerously contaminated eggs hadn’t come on to their market – only to realise a few days later that they had.[/u]
[u]The European commission’s systems, meanwhile, had also been alerted to the fraud claims on 6 July, but their IT system designed to aid cooperation on criminal cases is not coordinated with the RASFF, and so they did nothing until three weeks later. [/u].[/i]
Consider me reassured...
which ninffan, means there should be more EU integration and co-operation to prevent such things. Who was it that brought to light the horse meat being sold in the UK for an example.
Sounds like you need to be integrate those individual countries so the information could be better shared.
Edit as mrmo.
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I have to say tough really
Brexiteer's standard response.
1. The problem will sort itself out.
2. Stop talking about the problem.
3. Get behind Brexit you traitorous swine.
[quote=kent ]As for leavers being rich that reminds me of an interesting anecdote I heard about a reporters train journey home to Luton after one of the no to Brexit marches. He said that the train to Luton passes through some very wealthy upper middle class areas on it way to Luton, he said that there were no remain supporters left after the train stopped at the last station which serviced the well off middle class areas.
How interesting. The train also passes through plenty of places where less well off people live (where I went to school the nearest station is on that line, plenty of quite poor people at my school).
Not that it would prove anything even if the anecdote was accurate, but then we've come to expect bending of the truth from the Leave side.
I have to say tough really which is what remainers imply to someone who had been adversely affected by free movement, be that compressed wages, higher rents
As I said blaming immigrants for our own govs failings is shameful and be youre very native if u think Brexit will fix these things
[quote=ninfan ]Or less Importing of unregulated and untested food from crappy second world countries full of thieves
I is confused, ninfan. Are you suggesting that The Netherlands is a crappy second world country full of thieves, or that importing food from Romania results in people doing things illegally on farms in the Netherlands?
How interesting. The train also passes through plenty of places where less well off people live
Several rather expensive places the other side of Luton as well. Plus some rather expensive villages with it as the nearest town. Luton is like Hemel in that respect.
I think Ninfan needs to spell this one out for me.
It seems the EU has lots of rules and regulations preventing this kind of thing - but they were broken by unscrupulous people. What has the EU done wrong here?
You are not naive THM
Correct and yes I have a copy in front of me, which is why I can enjoy your (admittedly smart) selective editing without falling for it.
Oh God, the BOE misquoted again 😯
Rents are high because the government hasn't organised enough housing for everyone.
😯
Continued austerity
😀
I take it you've never been through this rigmarole?
yes but you confessed on another thread that you have difficulty motivating yourself to fill in forms ??? 😀
It seems the EU has lots of rules and regulations preventing this kind of thing - but they were broken by unscrupulous people. What has the EU done wrong here?
If you create a system that is open to abuse, when you know there are unscrupulous people out there, who is at fault? It's like credit card/bank fraud isn't it? It isn't enough for the banks to say 'oh, well, it's nothing to do with us, it's all the fault of the criminals' - the people who design the system have a duty of care to ensure that it can't be abused.
In just the same way that [u]when they discovered the rules had been broken[/u] they sat on it and did nothing for months, rather than acting to enforce the rules and prevent the ongoing breaches. What would you say if a private company did that?
On the plus side Brexit has exposed how clueless & incompetent the Maybot & the Tories are.
Agreed on Maybot - she has been a liability for a very long time. And Leadsom is possibly even more of a waste of space.
[quote=ninfan ]What would you say if a private company did that?
Are they a Tory party donor?
If you create a system that is open to abuse
You say that like it's intentional.
Creating a system, any system, which [i]isn't[/i] open to abuse either via incompetence or malice is incredibly difficult. It's essentially an arms race; you put something in place, the criminals exploit it, you patch the hole, they find another attack vector, rinse and repeat.
Creating secure, robust systems is Hard even with relatively simple systems, let alone a system of regulation which attempts to act in the interests of the populations of 28 different countries.
Meanwhile, back in the UK, we're in the process of handing absolute power to a government which wants to ban encryption.
I see the Remainers here are still trivialising and belittling the voting rationale and indeed intelligence of those who have a different view to their own. People without a long string of qualificatIons are in the type of job most likely to be negatively impacted by freedom of movement. That's the important factor.
It seems the EU has lots of rules and regulations preventing this kind of thing - but they were broken by unscrupulous people. What has the EU done wrong here?
Woefully inadequate supervision with a track record of turning a blind eye (Asylum seeker legislation, Greek debt and Eastern European pork production spring to mind)
Dyson was spot on, we will do just fine under WTO tariffs. He also noted he already pays WTO tariffs as his manufacturing is outside the EU and Dyson is one of Europes fastest growing countries
[url= https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCr4today/status/908230684384342016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.co.uk%2Fentry%2Fjames-dyson-brexit-radio-4_uk_59ba386ae4b0edff97195cb7 ]Dyson on R4 - twitter link[/url]
I see the Remainers here are still trivialising and belittling the voting rationale and indeed intelligence of those who have a different view to their own.
Pot kettle 🙄
we're in the process of handing absolute power to a government
I believe the convention is to post IANAL before posting bollocks about the law
Meanwhile, back in the UK, we're in the process of handing absolute power to a government
No we are not. Why do you keep making stuff up?
Jambas - WTO is crap for banking. Equivalence is a very poor substitute fir passporting
Dyson was spot on, we will do just fine under WTO tariffs. He also noted he already pays WTO tariffs as his manufacturing is outside the EU and Dyson is one of Europes fastest growing countries
Shame with all that profit he can't keep his manufacturing loyalties to the UK, say, how Miele do to Germany/Europe.
Dyson are big but not a country yet.
What would you say if a private company did that?
I would reckon there is currently a very good chance that at least one major company is currently keeping quiet about their failings to protect personal data currently.
When caught out the penalties will also be minimal. Some states are currently trying to change this but for some odd reason there is opposition from the company bosses.
you really couldn't make this up if you tried!
If you create a system that is open to abuse
How exactly is it open to abuse? What should have been done? Who's responsible for enforcing the rules? Does the EU have inspectors or are rules enforced by the authorities in that particular country?
Rules are broken all the time in this country and others. Pull the other one.
What would you say if a private company did that?
They break rules constantly and cover them up!
you really couldn't make this up if you tried!
That is incredible!
mrmo - Member
you really couldn't make this up if you tried!
Just over hyped news about importance ...
I work with people from all over the world including many from EU basically most are just hype. Nothing special. 😆
Their views (EU and Non-EU people), opinions, intelligence, common sense etc are roughly the same except they are thinking in their own language. Same shite different people.
Just hype. 😆
edit: When I was checking out other language forums, whether they are in one of the EU language or far east, people are generally the same when it comes to their views. 😆
Molly Indy and Guardian are Remoaners clickbait central, they both need the money badly. The amount of spin is extraordinary
Jambas - WTO is crap for banking.
Sales office in EU, white labelling via local presence etc etc.
No that doesn't work. It's crap for banks and their clients
jambalaya - Member
Molly Indy and Guardian are Remoaners clickbait central, they both need the money badly. The amount of spin is extraordinary
Unlike order/order. 😆
[quote=jambalaya ]Dyson was spot on, we will do just fine under WTO tariffs. He also noted he already pays WTO tariffs as his manufacturing is outside the EU
Ah, so the plan is for UK wages to match those of wherever it is he makes his stuff in order for our exports to be competitive? Because that's the only way that makes any logical sense.
Though I understand WTO tariffs are also fine for Luxury Yacht makers.
Who make luxury yachts nowadays? 😆aracer - Member
Though I understand WTO tariffs are also fine for Luxury Yacht makers.
Agreed on Maybot - she has been a liability for a very long time. And Leadsom is possibly even more of a waste of space.
Yes the sooner that nice Mr Rees-Mogg takes over the better.
If it helps you chewkw, I live in a modest 3 bed house in a poor town and yet the sofa I am sat on is no more than 300m away from a maker of luxury yachts.
[url= http://https://www.princessyachts.com/ ]Luxury Yachts[/url]
Those with a long string of qualifications are the ones who'll still be able to get visas to learn and work in Europe, while others become prisoners of borders and bureaucracy. Freedom of movement isn't needed by those who already have money and education. Yet the educated were far more likely to vote in a way that kept FoM for others, not least because they got out of their national bubble in the international mixing pots that universities are (for now). It's all a contradictory mess really.People without a long string of qualificatIons are in the type of job most likely to be negatively impacted by freedom of movement. That's the important factor.
julianwilson - Member
If it helps you chewkw, I live in a modest 3 bed house in a poor town and yet the sofa I am sat on is no more than 300m away from a maker of luxury yachts.
Luxury Yachts
Who is that? Sunseeker International? 😛
The amount of spin is extraordinary
No different to any other newspaper then. At least I know it when I see it though 🙂
Edit: What I am trying to say is there is hardly any left in the UK of the luxury yacht manufacturer or at least not as what it used to be. UK luxury yacht industry has been decimated a while back. 🙂chewkw - Member
Who is that? Sunseeker International?julianwilson - Member
If it helps you chewkw, I live in a modest 3 bed house in a poor town and yet the sofa I am sat on is no more than 300m away from a maker of luxury yachts.
Luxury Yachts
Well that's rather disappointing. I was pinning my hopes on the UK's future on exporting luxury yachts given that WTO tariffs won't be a problem for them.
aracer - Member
Well that's rather disappointing. I was pinning my hopes on the UK's future on exporting luxury yachts given that WTO tariffs won't be a problem for them.
The shipping industry has gone pear shape long time ago.
They went this way ... Europe > Former eastern Europe (I think main one is Poland) & also Japan > South Korea > China > nobody knows ... Cannot remember where America is in this market but I suspect it went the same way. I bet the buck will stop in China because no one can build anything cheaper, quicker and with the necessary quality.
Europe is hanging onto the luxury yacht sector coz this is a small market that is not sustainable, hence the competitors let it be for now.
Dyson employees around 7000 people, to be blunt I don't know why he gets any air time its not like the business is Bosch, Siemans or Miele for that matter. This country places far to much store in the Dysons it's not like his company makes a **** of a difference to the economy. Just like Tim "wetherspoon" a man that delivers cheap beer and crap food to the masses and thinks he has a grasp on the impact of WTO. Being rich or poor doesn't make you clever or thick and this is ably demonstrated by David Davies, Liam and Boris. At the end of the day We will get a shit deal as there is no other deal available.
And when we sell our souls to the US NZ OZ Canada we will get flooded by cheap crap food, cheap raw material but we will be able to sell them financial services ahhh they already have them... never mind poor people will have cheap chlorine chicken and grain fed beef for all.
It's like Carry on Brexit a 1950s comedy farce- Sid James must be spinning.
its not like the business is Bosch, Siemans or Miele for that matter.
can't see any competing product for my Dyson V8 cordless from those companies.
Tim "wetherspoon" a man that delivers cheap beer and crap food to the masses
it's mostly the same beer as is available in more expensive pubs - and the carpets in Weatherspoons are prety good.
I bet the buck will stop in China because no one can build anything cheaper, quicker and with the necessary quality.
the thing is we really shouldn't be buying so much stuff from China with their human rights issues and the working conditions in a lot of their factories - if people had an principles. And we shouldn't be dealing with Saudi, etc.
Think there will be more or less Chinese stuff post Brexit TG?