And just remember, every time an oaf like Johnson tries to get a belly laugh from fellow ruddy-faced oafs with what he thinks is a witty quote, then gets owned in return:
He is representing us.
We really are a laughing stock and we've achieved this all by ourselves. Go us!
Rothermere is a British non-dom so not a Frenchman. The article rings false in that if he were declared resident in France he'd pay ISF which would defeat the non-dom tax avoidance objective.
He is regarded as having a French domicile for UK tax purposes. Domicile as a concept is largely irrelevant in most other countries tax systems, some countries which inherited UK law still use it, and is completely separate to the concept of residence, which is used throughout the world to determine taxing rights.
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So we agree that Rothermere is neither a Frenchman nor resident in France.
So this little lot:
Mail on Sunday has brilliant headline today about how the French are planning to 'wreck' our economy.That has some truth to it. There is a Frenchman* who owns several major paper which has done a lot of damage to the UK.
is simply not true.
And I was right to contest it.
I imagine he has a French passport.
His nationality is quoted as British. Not dual nationality. Check for yourself.
Edit: it appears his tenuous claim to be a non-dom is based on his late father having lived in Paris at some point:
"He has not denied claiming tax concessions as a "non-dom", on the grounds that his father lived in Paris. He resides at Ferne Park, a stately home in Wiltshire built for him by architect Quinlan Terr"
He has a British title, but that doesn't require you to be a British national. Having a British Passport would not help his domicile argument so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have one. Wiki could well be wrong on this.
The swivel-eyed Brexit loons [s]in the Tory Party[/s] are trying to rush this farce through because it is becoming ever more apparent no one has a **** clue what they are doing and even that doesn't really matter because we have no decent cards to play in negotiations anyway.
A reminder that Corbyn was one of very few politicans calling for A50 to be triggered immediately after the referendum.
I got the British nationality from Companies House. Check it.
In that case he no doubt has it, but they don't note dual nationality on the Companies House website, I have just checked a couple of people I have worked with who I know have dual nationality and they are also described as British.
I can't prove a negative but my default Google settings are French and I've goen through enough sites to be pretty sure he doesn't have French nationality. I think both you, Mefty, and Private Eye need to produce some evidence of French nationality before slurring a whole nation.
There was a non-dom thread on here a while back and the conclusion was that the non-doms usually didn't fulfil the conditions for their non-dom status but were accorded it all the same by the corrupt and morally bankrupt British system.
I can't prove a negative but my default Google settings are French and I've goen through enough sites to be pretty sure he doesn't have French nationality. I think both you, Mefty, and Private Eye need to produce some evidence of French nationality before slurring a whole nation.
Get you, slurring a whole nation - Jesus you need a sense of perspective.
There was a non-dom thread on here a while back and the conclusion was that the non-doms usually didn't fulfil the conditions for their non-dom status but were accorded it all the same by the corrupt and morally bankrupt British system.
It was ill informed, as a former tax adviser it is a subject I have some familiarity with. Whilst I am 20 years out of date, the French system was also pretty attractive for foreign high rollers too.
Edukator, no one is slurring the French in this, more that someone who claims to be an English patriot, and doing what is in the best interests of the UK. Does so whilst paying very little tax and living in a foreign country. Look at the Barclay bros with their channel island tax haven or Murdoch.
Is it remotely acceptable that the British press is run by those who are not actually British and who pay minimal Tax.
So, the issue of the negotiating team's diversity has been brought up recently.
Generally old rich white guys in fancy suits. Quelle surprise!
One woman, no non-whites, no gingers, no blacks, no Jews, no Irish, no dogs?
However, what I'm not seeing in the articles is a breakdown of any of their experience with the ....regions..... - Wales, Scotland, NI - are any of the devolved administrations represented?
Or is it just a wake up that the civil service is an old boy's club kakistocracy?
No gjngers?
Let's start one of those petition thingies.....
Tick...tick...tick...tick...tick.
What's going on Brexies?
What's that? No idea?
Wow - I'd have thought the least you could have done was have some idea of how this was going to go before voting for it.
Given the no one has tried to do this, it's not unreasonable the they don't know whay they are doing. No one does. It's a novel lose:lose scenario with no precedent
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Interesting view
The more that it becomes apparent that the Brexiters’ original vision is collapsing, the more shrilly they will insist that a second referendum would be undemocratic. But the Leavers’ view of democracy is similar to that of a third-world dictator — “one man, one vote, one time”. In other words, once a decision has been taken by referendum, it cannot be revoked.
- FT https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/b3630088-6ac6-11e7-b9c7-15af748b60d0
Collapsing??
Brexies simoley wanted to leave/not be a part of Europe (whatever the ST costs). Nothing has changed/collapsed on that front. Seems the only rock solid part of the whole thing.
THM - worth reading the full article. They explain what they mean by collapsing.
You may disagree but it is a nicely constructed article and they make their point fairly rationally.
What is it with brexiters and their strange relationship with the truth?
Read it earlier in the day. It's ok, but is the FT so just another revisionist article and antidote to whatever the Brexshit Bugle publishes on the same day. TBH, stopped reading the papers on Brexsit these days. Nothing new just the same old, same old...we knew their relative positions, nothing will change them,
But Gideon's misunderstanding of Brexshit means Brexshit is noteworthy I suppose. He really doesn't get it, does he??
I don't see it as revisionist particularly.
I think the mists are clearing and the cake and eat it contradictions are becoming more starkly highlighted.
And public opinion has turned against leaving the EU.
Democracy doesn't end because one side got the vote they wanted, does it now?
Democracy doesn't end because one side got the vote they wanted, does it now?
No, it keeps rumbling on, inconvenient as it seems.
Don't worry, power is more important to Corbyn (and his puppeteers) than Leave/Remain (as it is to the Tories). Should the tide of public opinion turn sufficiently, both parties will do what is most expedient.
is this a surprise? The government has never bothered to use the powers that they had.
We'd need ID cards for that shit
And ol' thick as mince Davis threw his toys out and resigned over that last time !
The contradictions have been clear from day 1 as has the fact that for Brexshiteers they do not matter. There is a bigger picture they see, rather like the Scottish Gnats - yes they are wrong, foolish (arguably) and committing self harm, but that doesn't stop them. That is simply not part of the debate as history has shown us very clealy
To you and I yes, but it wasn't the Brexies who voted for Brexit - rather it was the Brexies who recruited enough votes to get a 52:48 vote.
It is those people who were recruited that matter going forward.
The mists are clearing for them to the extent that that 4% margin has rather more than reversed and the trend is that it is continuing to do so.
It wasn't the brexies?? Was it Putins secret cyber army?
Anyway we shall see. Personally I expect very messy negotiations ending in an extended transition and ultimate fudge but who knows. Not worrying about it too much, far too much else to do....
It wasn't the brexies?? Was it Putins secret cyber army?
It's really pretty obvious what he meant!
Not worrying about it too much, far too much else to do....
Well that explains your ongoing interest...
Interested is not synonymous with worrying...
Though you had far too much to do though 😉
I thought it was nice of DD to drop in to Brussels and give him 5 minutes of his time yesterday.
I presume that's it until he drops in for another chat in September?
[b]igm [/b]has it spot on - Brexit campaigners are ready for, and in some cases wanting, the economic choppy waters ahead… but that isn't the pretext that the vote was won on - many people voted with "project fear" ringing in their ears instead of taking warnings from all quarters as being indicative of what is very likely to happen. As reality becomes clear, due to real deals and exit preparations starting to form, more people will be against us leaving (although that isn't the same as saying more people will actually be bothered to try and stop us). The trick now is to keep people thinking that we "have to leave", rather than keeping people convinced that leaving is the right thing to do for the UK.
I think we should also acknowledge that the campaign run by dave and george was terrible
All it did was say if we leve the EU we will all be skint, your savings will go down and they just kept poring more economic doom on top of economic doom
They did nothing else - and they did exaggerate the impacts- to the extent the doubters did not believe them
Brexit did at least have a dream to sell - even if it was based on lies and was utterly unachievable
The last few elections here and the US [ and France to some degree] has led me to the conclusion you just say short sound bite " make america great again, Bring back control, for the many not the few and just run with those sorts of nice sounding ideas [[ that we would all largely like] that you dont bother to flesh out - because the voters are too stupid/disinterested to consider whether this is actually possible / have any real grasp of what it means
The problem with Brexit is we have not done it and as we get closer more folk will realise the hollowness of the soundbites and will likely feel "duped"
Whether there are enough to get another vote is the only real question but I no longer think the majority of voters support this. Given this I wonder why we are still doing it.
Probably the best thing that could happen now is for a voluntary weighting of tax codes for everyone who voted Leave to pay for the divorce bill. Of course, if the number of people volunteering for a K code to be applied to them exceeds 50% of the working population, then of course we should go ahead with Brexit.
Seems fair to me. Let's start by asking Boris and Gove to cough up first.
igm has it spot on - Brexit campaigners are ready for, and in some cases wanting, the economic choppy waters ahead
Indeed. These lunatics believe the Ayn Rand principles of 'Creative Chaos'. Unfortunately, there's no such thing as 'Creative Chaos', just Chaos
Probably the best thing that could happen now is for a voluntary weighting of tax codes for everyone who voted Leave to pay for the divorce bill.
now this I like!
Lots of friends and business acquaintances (in favour of remain) are building personal and business war chests, this is not because we know what's going to happen post brexit its just a natural reaction in times of uncertainty- i have said here previously i would have taken on at least another 2 grads this year but i am not (i could do with more resource) but i will sweat the asset and stack up the cash- i am aimimg for 18 months of overheads in the bank for the business and the ability to survive 18 month's with no income personally - this is my accountants advice. Lots of people like me out there
Well we need more savers so that's another plus for brexit 🙂
Interesting that fatchas rebate is causing problems
If its factored in as France want, then thats an extra 10bn onto the divorce bill
https://www.ft.com/content/083dd8b6-6bf4-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa
So unsurprisingly, deutsche bank has picked Frankfurt for the “vast majority” of the assets in its UK global markets business
Frankfurt seems to be the winner as most big banks at least nominally picking it for their European bases
Wonder if we'll be treated to another cumulative minor piece of national humiliation today?
What could go wrong? 'Negotiations' being led by a bloke whose crass stupidity is matched only by his blustering self-confidence and mistaken confidence in this stupid project.
Brilliant.
