Looks more and more like project fear and companies being forced to relocate is project fact. May only be a few jobs at first, but when you start where do you stop?
fact checking? I suggest you start with any posts which have "jambalaya - Member" at the top
Lord Jamba has a man to do that. A man who should be sacked for incompetence, but a man nevertheless.
[quote=dannyh ]Maybe at a petrol station? Whilst filling up the Jag perhaps?
Does he not have a chauffeur to do that?
It's alright for those of you who live on the mainland but for those of us on this island this stupidity is costing us real proper money.
Everything we buy for the shop has gone up. We try and swallow the difference which cuts down our profit.
Your bigotry is putting people out of work.
Put down your little flag and embrace the real world.
Does he not have a chauffeur to do that?
No, that's the Bentley. The Jag is the trusty old jalopy that occasionally does the yacht club run. Scarf flapping wildly in the slipstream.
Scarf flapping wildly in the slipstream.
I think he has someone to flap his scarf for him.
I think he has someone to flap his scarf for him.
Euphemism?
I'm being an optimist. I think that by September enough people will realise what an almighty cluster**** this is, and the whole thing will fall apart in parliament as the Maybot tries to railroad the repeal bill through.
The Tory party then goes to war with itself as the less mental members of the party (and there are quite a few) refuse to support it. It won't take many, as Labour, the SNP and Lib Dems have already said they'll vote against it unless they get concessions - which they won't get.
The result will be the end of this whole Brexit nonsense, and the Tory's out of power for a generation
You heard it here first kids 😀
The OBR was more measured than the headlines suggest, not least since they specifically stated that they had not attempted to model the implications of different agreements for future trade on future growth. They did give one interesting figure though - if GDP and receipts grew just 0.1 percentage points more slowly than projected over the next 50 years but spending was unchanged then the debt/GDP ratio would be 50 percentage points higher
Far more interesting was the debunking of the austerity myth - we still run a budget deficit of 2-3% of GDP, just as it was pre-Crisis (no really!) and that net debt is more than double its pre crisis share of GDP. Hence our public finances are "much more sensitive to IR and inflation surprises than they were*"
Hence fall in £ is bad not good, see also below
jambas - we debated the impact of the decline in £ at the time of Brexshit. My predictions (negative) contrasted with yours (positive IIRC). So demand for exports have proved relatively price inelastic. However, the impact of the fall in £ has been more immediate and seen in the negative loop of rising inflation, pressure on real wages and squeezed consumers. Hence the BOE is in a pickle with having to balance rising inflation (raise rates) and v weak real wage growth (leave rates alone and keep stealing off savers)
It's a bloody mess not a success. Just been at lunch (!!) which "told me"
The risk, Binners, is what happened then - no deal means what???
be careful what you wish for...
back to trade deals. New chief trade negotiator Crawford Falconer, described by Liam Fox as 'best global talent'.
From the 'eye 1447, page 11 for full text, i'm paraphrasing:
Falconer has spent much of his career working for his native NZ, putting together deals, most notably in the far east. one with Hong Kong, whose talks started in 2001, and the deal was finally signed in......2010, coming in to force the following year.
Speedier deals with Malaysia and China took just five and four years respectively, although the full terms of the latter are being phased in at a blistering.... 11 years.
Those deals covered far fewer areas than any deals we will need.
Falconer also did a spell with the WTO Doha round of talks on agriculture. 16 years after these talks began, they remain unfinished, with numerous deadlines missed.
Presumably falconer likes the 'whooshing' noise deadlines make as they go by....
Presumably falconer likes the 'whooshing' noise deadlines make as they go by....
You either have a good deal or a fast deal, the two are mutually exclusive. The UK may get fast deals in the same way a crack w***e will do anything to get their next fix. But that doesn't mean the UK will benefit.
Case in point the talk of opening the NHS to the US, is it actually for the benefit of the UK, or for the US that US healthcare gets access? Or how about hormone beef? Is that really a benefit, but it is the sort of thing that will be ceeded to close a deal quickly.
Likewise a massive amount of work visas included in any trade deal with India and ****stan.
I'm assuming shortages in the NHS will be filled with people from the subcontinent which will please my mum.
She voted leave as her friend had a Nigerian nurse be nasty to her.
The racists who voted for Brexit aren't going to be happy when all those Eastern Europeans are replaced by people who are.... you know.... the wrong colour
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/brexit-riots-would-be-shittest-riots-ever-20170710131459 ]Is this what you're worried about Hurty?[/url] 😆
Yes, definitely sliding down the scale, around level 4 I would guess;
Old Europe (Germany, France)
Asian
New Europe (eastern Europe)
African
Any largely muslim countries
edit: when did the swear filter start replacing phrases rather than asterixing them?
It always has, the asterisks are replacement phrases. We'd never have the gaul to start asterixing things.
It was me who was proven right about the virtual non impact on the economy of the referendum vote, unlike IMF and HM Treasury who where left with a lot of egg on their faces
The only reason the economy didn't go down the toilet harder than it has immediately after the referendum was because Mark Carney found £250bn in the Bank of England's copper jar in order to slam an adrenaline shot into its heart.
And "virtual non impact" my arse.
[quote=teamhurtmore ]Far more interesting was the debunking of the austerity myth
Interesting to those who didn't already know that maybe. Though of course the overall figures hide cuts being made in some areas - presumably because the deficit would need to have increased (or been maintained at post crisis levels) in order to avoid that.
Just been at lunch (!!) which "told me"
Gosh - I'd love to know who with.
Mark Carney found £250bn in the Bank of England's copper jar in order to slam an adrenaline shot into its heart
And, loathe as I am to credit the toerag, but Osborne was the only politician post vote who seemed to be doing anything in the immediate aftermath....
Also, re the 'austerity myth', it's not a myth in the public sector, we've been hammered.
Any cash has gone out the backdoor... the rich get rich....
metalheart - Member
Also, re the 'austerity myth', it's not a myth in the public sector, we've been hammered.Any cash has gone out the backdoor... the rich get rich....
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Not brilliant in the private sector, either (observation, not Tory-style point scoring).
The rich get richer..............
No room at the trough when the fat pigs are there.
Aracer - of course, as I said a few pages back, it's basic economics, if you ring fence some areas, others will lose out - allocation of scarce resources - and some current losers have been significant winners in the last, so swings and roundabouts
The rich haven't got richer - unless you restrict yourself to a micro segment - another enduring myth. And to think jambas gets abuse
That Adonis fellah is pretty stark in his warnings
The rich haven't got richer [ now let me add a caveat so this statement is still true]- unless you restrict yourself to a micro segment - another enduring myth.
FTFY
You have to add a caveat as the statement is true - the rich have got richer even you are conceding the truth in the statement hence the caveat to make your "truth" true.
I hope Jamby appreciates your one man campaign to rehabilitate him but it might make more sense if you spend you time with him teaching him logic, reason and a fact based approach to debate
You would not mark his essays well - assuming you are pretending to be a teacher this week or are you still an international business man - you have new job how about spy this time?
What's this hard Brexshit that Adonis is worried about?
The rich haven't got richer
The richest have got richer.
What's this hard Brexshit that Adonis is worried about?
Well… no exit deal, no trade deal, no transition period… that would be pretty hard.
Outcomes less onerous than that are up for debate as to whether they are hard, soft, clean, dirty, dry, wet…
Income inequality has declined over past 10 year (source ONS)
And neither HM Gov or HM Oppo are advocating a hard Brexshit
But apart from that.....
The richest have got richer.
Who says they'll get what they're advocating?
Is that a problem?
They can't by definition
Well, THM, not advocating it any more. Probably. But the Tories keep contradicting each other. So who knows what we'll get. Or even what HM Gov actually want.
As do HM Oppo. They're all split on the issue as is the country.
They both seem to be stuck pretty much in have cake and eat it fantasy land. With a side helping of TNUMTWNT.
Plus people like this are depressingly common.
Yup, we won't get what they claim they're aiming for… so a no deal, or sensible compromise.
If you're making life or business plans… don't bet on our "top" politicians doing the later.
I'm with THM and hoping for a long dragged out transition to give time for a proper plan to be out in place by different politicians later.
A no deal exit is very likely though, and as I asked before, what is the democratic means for rejecting that?
Income inequality has declined over past 10 year (source ONS)
Clue: wealth != income
Being a brexit gloomster is all making me rather worried.
I have very little faith in our politicians to deliver a decent deal, tho I can't think they'd be that stupid to crash out without one.
With a young family I'm really hoping that Brexit doesn't damage the country too much.
Clue: wealth != income
Exactly
Decimating council budgets, social care, libraries, the welfare state damages the life chances of the poor, whilst barely affecting the richest
Next thing you know people at the sharp end start voting for any kind of populist nonsense
It always has, the asterisks are replacement phrases. We'd never have the gaul to start asterixing things.
Off topic but
****
Cluster ****
bit of a mess
I can understand why people are worried bit the overwhelmingly most likely outcome is the whole thing being called off to the relief of all but a handful of swivel-eyed loons.
thecaptain - Member
I can understand why people are worried bit the overwhelmingly most likely outcome is the whole thing being called off to the relief of all but a handful of swivel-eyed loons.POSTED 5 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
God, I hope so.
With just one day of this for all who voted 'leave'.
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A no deal exit is very likely though, and as I asked before, what is the democratic means for rejecting that?
1.MP's vote against Bill
2.Mps vote for no confidence in PM
3.Election
4.New Govt
5.Different policy??
or
1. Mps vote against bill or support labour amendment insisting in EEA membership or some such
2. God knows
However one also has to ask whether their is time for that to take place and what the Eu will do whilst we do it.
so
1.MP's vote against Bill
2. We run out of time to act so
3a WTO
3B delayed fudge by EU/UK extending talks whilst we get our shit together
4. Referendum or GE
the UK has obligations to the EU?.?.?.?that will survive the UK’s withdrawal — and that these need to be resolved
So say our government.
I thought we were assured that we wouldn't have to pay a penny to those dastardly Eurocrats ?
It always has, the asterisks are replacement phrases. We'd never have the gaul to start asterixing things.
So who put in the change of the word 'summ-at' to 'somthing' then 😉
something - see, that's not what I typed.
I'm aware that the true price of pedantry is eternal vigilance, but...
