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Can someone remind me what the DUP actually want to happen with their border with the Republic and the one with the rest of the UK?
The DUP don't want a united Ireland - a border inside the UK increases the chance of that. However, a no deal also increases the chance of a united Ireland.
So they are playing a zero sum game.
The best solution now would be for the sensible MPs from all parties to come together and form a temporary government. Put the question to the electorate, this deal, if not then pick between no deal brexit or remain.
I just don't know if there are enough there to put party and individual opportunities aside and do what's best for everyone.
But Brexit means Brexit bro. No deal is better than a bad deal.
I just don't know what to say...
It was sarcasm 😛
Anyway
As a committed remoaner I am more than happy for the ****wits to burn the house down so I can say "I told you so" repeatedly, till the day I die.
The DUP won’t tell anyone what they want, only what they don’t want. Never have I been more reminded of Ian Paisley’s comments about the Anglo Irish agreement. “Ulster Says No” to everything.
Best realistic case would be for the current government to say "right, we're stuffed here, we're putting this on hold for 12 months whilst we work out what the heck is happening". Gammon may be upset but at least there's an end date for them to aim at. But that requires conviction and drive from someone and I'm not sure May has that in the locker.
Gove and Mundell absent from the front bench for the PMs statement
I just don’t know what to say…
you want a Red, White & Blue Brexit?
yeah, we're stuffed. We're heading towards crashing out with no-deal.
May has been trying to negotiate the impossible and it hasn't worked.
Reality will never dawn on most of the people that voted leave.
If we get a clean break "no deal" Brexit and the UK implodes and everythigs terriible, it'll just be because of Remoaners, or the evil EU, or Soros or something, not because Brexit was a bad idea.
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<div class="bbp-reply-content">The DUP won’t tell anyone what they want, only what they don’t want. Never have I been more reminded of Ian Paisley’s comments about the Anglo Irish agreement. “Ulster Says No” to everything.
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I guess that's the conclusion I'd come to.
Similar to most Brexiteers to be honest. What I don't understand is whether they really want to exit or whether it's just posturing. Surely not backing this deal makes exiting less likely.
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Best realistic case would be for the current government to say “right, we’re stuffed here, we’re putting this on hold for 12 months whilst we work out what the heck is happening”. Gammon may be upset but at least there’s an end date for them to aim at.
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problem is that to convince the Gammon of her Brexiter credentials She & Davis triggered A50 straight away
the clock is running down
because Brexit was a bad idea.
But not as bad as two world wars, so every cloud.
I completely despair. The worst thing is that the majority of people who voted leave are not switched on enough to understand the gravity of the situation that they have forced upon us.
Just watching the statement on telly.....
No sympathy for May at all. When she was home secretary, she "lost" vital documents for the legal case against some Lords and politicians implicated in large peadophilia case. I still think that is the reason why she is PM now, she was given the big chair for protecting her establishment colleagues. But now the knives are out and I hope she suffers for it. She deserves everything bad coming her way.
Schrodinger's Brexit just keeps on giving. And yes, I did read the report last night. Medicines, nothing unexpected. Aviation errrr nothing at all. Will the planes be flying?
History always reflects rather well on people given an impossible task, particularly against their better judgement. Raab is finished. As mentioned, cowadice.
Open derision and mockery of the PM in the house now. Her voice is wavering like she is about to cry, she is visibly shaken.
She's done, I expect her to resign tonight.
Pound plummets just before we go on a foreign trip. On the bright side, I still have 40e in my wallet from last week.
In Parliament May said "voting against would take up back to square one."
That is the best news I have heard around this whole mess. Square one is good. Crack on.
Kenneth Clark now pointing out the bleeding obvious to the Brexiteer half-wits on his own benches
Bercows put downs are classic.
Not copy'n'pasting this thread… but it has my thoughts on May&Corbyn in parliament if you're bored…
https://twitter.com/spittingcat/status/1063019911205847040?s=21
SNP mic drop!
I think she is answering these difficult questions honestly and with conviction. Far from wavering at the moment.
She's not a waverer or a quitter.
I think she is answering these difficult questions honestly and with conviction. Far from wavering at the moment.
Really? She's falling back on her typical generic responses.
It's like watching the murder of Caesar, the knives are out from all corners of the house.
Any soft leavers are now deluded, it's shit or bust - pick hard Brexit or none at all.
ouch shes just been skewered
not 1 of her front bench raised their hand when asked to if they support Mays deal
She's just said that there is a risk of No Brexit at all. As if that's a bad thing. How do we make that risk materialise?
half expecting oliver cromwell and his troops to come marching in and end the Maybot madness
Asked by who?
Corbyn saying 'this is not what was promised' - that's the crux of this whole mess, isn't it?
chris leslie MP (Lab) stony faces on her front bench
although i suspect he doesn’t understand what some of those words mean
Like "Dover" and "Calais".
yeah, we’re stuffed. We’re heading towards crashing out with no-deal.
I think this is less likely now. One of the most revealing things about May's comments and language is that she's completely dropped the 'no deal is better than a bad deal' rhetoric and for the first time is talking about 'no brexit at all'. I think this pretty clearly shows that she's realised, along with everyone else who has half a brain that a no-deal brexit is simply not an option and that it can't be allowed to happen. As a result I think no brexit is now more likely than no deal.
Yeah, I'm half expecting an undead Cromwell to walk in now.
Bercow is brilliant - "Sir Peter Bottomly" said with the cutting dryness of a headmaster dealing with cretinous children.
I don't think the maybot has read her own document
Theres no way she's going to last the day. She's a dead woman walking.
stony faces on her front bench
They are not supposed to respond. That's just an old parliamentary trick.
Just heard "What a ****". 😀
It's like STW - but in real life! 😀
Any one perversely enjoying this?
well, actually it’s not that perverse
Yeah I am, it's ****ing riveting and hilarious.
84 tory rebels and counting. if so this is dead in the water
they have forced upon us
Don't blame those who were conned. Blame the people who did the conning. And our incredibly lapse media for not pointing out the con.
"Theres no way she’s going to last the day. She’s a dead woman walking."
And who would you have replace her?
The cheers the comments around no / stopping Brexit are receiving is quite telling. May is floundering live on air and has what appears to be no allies left.
Too soon?
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Pound plummets just before we go on a foreign trip.
Sucks, but on the bright side it'll make my trips home cheaper. As Johnny Rotten says, a cheap holiday in other people's misery
oi osborne
the sun want their headline back
I think this is less likely now. One of the most revealing things about May’s comments and language is that she’s completely dropped the ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ rhetoric and for the first time is talking about ‘no brexit at all’. I think this pretty clearly shows that she’s realised, along with everyone else who has half a brain that a no-deal brexit is simply not an option and that it can’t be allowed to happen. As a result I think no brexit is now more likely than no deal.
I’m rather happy that so many ministers are resigning, at this rate it will be only those that votes remain left.. then kick the whole rancid farce out of the park.
It will certainly make ministers realise that they are just puppets being hung by strings, and played out in full world wide view.
Retards the lot of em’
England need to make a Unilateral Declaration of Independence, and get out of the UK.
That would sort all the problems...
She keeps referring to the "will of the British people". I'd suspect thats very different now as it was in 2016. No support from Parliament, whats the point in dragging on the negotiations for another month to have it voted down and we end up back in the EU?
She keeps referring to the “will of the British people”.
Laying the way for 2nd ref?
I think 2 days ago, May thought that this deal would go down pretty well with Labour and the soft leavers.
But now it seems she's pleased no one, by basically deferring the harder negotiations.
I honestly don't know how this is going to go. I'd like this to drag on a little longer just so that all the Brexiteer promises are debunked. They are still clinging on to the claim that no-deal brexit would somehow deliver for Britain - we need that thoroughly challenged in the press and in Parliament.
And who would you have replace her?
Who the * would want to inherit this omnishambles? Apart from a hardline Brexiteer who would gallop us off a cliff.
But Tory party elections tend to throw up weird results. Remember: Nobody had even heard of David Cameron when he won the leadership.
The Tory party MPs are massively Pro-remain. The Berxiteers may be noisy but they don't have the clout to install a leader. The leadership candidates are only given to the senile old racists of the Tory Membership to vote on once they've given them the options by Tory MPs. So Ress-Mogg and Boris haven't got a cat in hells chance.
There has to be someone in the Tory party who isn't bat-shit crazy, surely?
Actually... maybe not?
We really are *ed aren't we? That this hapless incompetent is the least worst option
But now it seems she’s pleased no one
That was always inevitable, wasn't it? That was always the point from remainers - a good deal is next to impossible, and whatever deal is possible is going to please no-one. Because we can't have our cake and eat it.
whats the situation with freedom of movement in this deal?
Binners, why not someone like Ken Clarke?
She won't answer the question shes been asked repeatedly...
Do you think that this represents a better option than what we have now?
Because the obvious answer is "OF COURSE IT ****ING ISN'T!!! ARE YOU MAD?!!!"
The leadership candidates are only given to the senile old racists of the Tory Membership to vote on once they’ve given them the options by Tory MPs. So Ress-Mogg and Boris haven’t got a cat in hells chance.
It's quite conceivable that a Brexiteer candidate could get to the final round of voting. To prevent it, you would need two moderate candidates who each poll more MPs than the nutter could muster. The Brexiteer voting bloc seems smallish, but is actually pretty substantial if put consistently behind a single candidate.
They only have to get someone into the final round, the membership will do the rest even if the vast majority of MPs support their opponent.
There has to be someone in the Tory party who isn’t bat-shit crazy, surely?
There is, but there is no way Ken Clarke is getting a shot at leadership.
Bercow is brilliant – “Sir Peter Bottomly” said with the cutting dryness of a headmaster dealing with cretinous children.
Ant-oiii-nette Saaandbaaach! 🙂
Binners, why not someone like Ken Clarke?
Despite being the best Prime Minister that the U.K. never had, it’s extremely sad that for this situation, he’s well past his sell-by date... 😢
+1 Woppit
Can I ask why he is past his sell by date though? I think he is exactly what the conservatives need to make themselves electable in the next GE, a conservative Tony Blair.
This tickled me...
I doubt that at his age and in his evidently poor condition, he would not have the levels of stamina, energy and focus that the job would require.
Age and maintenance comes to us all, as I am in the process of finding out.
Look this is getting me nowhere. I haven't got time to look at other threads.
I doubt that at his age and in his evidently poor condition, he would not have the levels of stamina, energy and focus that the job would require.
Age and maintenance comes to us all, as I am in the process of finding out.
He seems of more sound a mind than May. Kens bipartisan affableness would go a long way towards healing this country.
I doubt that at his age and in his evidently poor condition, he would not have the levels of stamina, energy and focus that the job would require.
No doubt the beneficial effects of his long relationship with the tobacco industry.
Despite being the best Prime Minister that the U.K. never had
A craven alcoholic who's in the pockets of the tobacco companies? Yeah right!
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