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What? The remainer lion -v- the Brexy unicorn fighting for the crown?
Like it.
My former Remain Tory MP has yet to confirm whether my stepson is going to have to go without insulin after March, stating that the government are “looking into stockpiling vital medicines”. To see that a commemorative 50p is being issued is an insult.
I’m quickly coming round to Alan Sugar’s way of thinking - we need a public inquiry and if politicians openly lied or misled voters prior to the referendum vote in June 2016 then they should face trial.
What? The remainer lion -v- the Brexy unicorn fighting for the crown?
Surely the unicorn would be the Remainer, given that Scotland voted remain and the unicorn is the national animal of Scotland?
Also the unicorn should have a chain round its neck to represent the will of the people being forced upon it.
Graham - you know I never knew that? I always assumed the lion was Scots as in Lion Rampant (the English lions actually being leopards as I recall).
Checking I can find references to both lion and unicorn as national animals for Scotland - but only a lion for England.
Although...
Although in England the official blazon refers to "lions", French heralds historically used the term "leopard" to represent the lion passant guardant, and hence the arms of England, no doubt, are more correctly blazoned, "leopards".
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I’m quickly coming round to Alan Sugar’s way of thinking – we need a public inquiry and if politicians openly lied or misled voters prior to the referendum vote in June 2016 then they should face trial.
I have been there before the ref, when the ONS says a politician is lying and then the politician carries on lying? There needs to be a real way of holding elected officials to account. I have no objection to someone claiming what they believe to be so in good faith. But if it turns out to be a lie, string 'em up.
There is a lot of English Nationalism at play, you just have to read other blogs/forums.
Lots of Taffs, Paddys,Jocks content and its unpleasent at best downright racist at its worst.
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"I have been there before the ref, when the ONS says a politician is lying and then the politician carries on lying? There needs to be a real way of holding elected officials to account. I have no objection to someone claiming what they believe to be so in good faith. But if it turns out to be a lie, string ’em up."
I always say it the same, if you sold a toaster with these promises you'd have to give a refund. If you sell a country with these promises it's all fine.
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I had the misfortune to hear a few minutes of the Five Live phone-in this morning. It reminded me how dangerous it is to assume that people have any sense at all. There were perfectly presentable-sounding pensioners (who else has the time to spare calling in to one of these things?) trotting out all sorts of rubbish about how Barnier and Juncker were being 'beastly' to us and we'd be better off with out them etc. The lack of self-awareness and bullet-proof arrogance is just astounding, and a stark reminder of how we got into this dreadful mess in the first place.
Looking on the bright side, the pensioners won't get such an easy ride on mid-morning phone-ins in the next decade. For one thing, a lot of them will have shuffled off of this mortal coil, but more importantly there will be a lot more angry younger folk with spare time on their hands during the week too......
Looking on the bright side, the pensioners won’t get such an easy ride on mid-morning phone-ins in the next decade. For one thing, a lot of them will have shuffled off of this mortal coil,
There is always a ready supply of younger people getting older.
There needs to be a real way of holding elected officials to account. I have no objection to someone claiming what they believe to be so in good faith. But if it turns out to be a lie, string ’em up.
Great news;
Er.. maybe not;
The Daily Express only has twelve headlines which they cycle through. We must be due an update on Madeleine McCann any day now.
Or Diana
i dont understand the express are they really that pro brexit every headline cast it in a positive light
Now this could get interesting...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46056337
The National Crime Agency is investigating Arron Banks and his Leave.EU campaign for alleged offences committed at the 2016 EU referendum.
Mr Banks and another senior campaign figure, Liz Bilney, were referred to the agency by the Electoral Commission.
The watchdog said it suspected money given to the campaign came "from impermissible sources".
Mr Banks has consistently denied any wrongdoing in connection to the referendum campaign.
This is hilarious.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46043668
She told MPs the Home Office could not be blamed because Apple "won't release the upgrade we need in order for it to function".
Sounds more like they assumed that a 3rd party would bend over backwards to make their life easier, and now it's 'not fair'. Brexit in a nutshell.
She obviously assumed that Apple stuff would 'just work'. 🙂
Let's hope that the tech upgrades needed for the fabled Irish Border Solution are not similarly unavailable.
i dont understand the express are they really that pro brexit every headline cast it in a positive light
Their target audience is xenophobic over-50s. Brexit is a golden goose for them.
Their lead stories are variously: dirty foreigners / immigration; royal family (with a special boner for Diana and Kate Middleton); pensions; housing market; Maddy McCann; things that variously cause or cure cancer / Alzheimer's / dementia / arthritis / diabetes / blood pressure or generally how to live longer; the weather; benefits and scroungers; crime / terrorism threats on the up; how we're all being ripped off or otherwise hard done to.
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having spoken to a few Brexiteers, you do have to wonder how patriotic they are. I get the feeling that a lot is English nationalism, to hell with the UK. If Scotland, NI leave so what.
That might well be true, but how do you explain the ~40% in Scotland and NI who voted leave? It's talked about as if those areas were 100% remain.
Yeh they need to sell papers to make money.
It's not about spreading news to inform, it's about printing papers and making profit, it's that simple.
It's got to the point where they will literally write anything to keep people buying them so the stories get more and more rediculous..
That EU citizen app is .. Ludicrous.
Another expensive and poorly thought out waste of public money..
How can the UK gov can carry on with brexit ?
They have to wait for investigation results . there is zero legitimacy on the referendum till it is proved one way or the other .
How can they not see that ?
How can the UK gov can carry on with brexit ?
They don't care, the point is for the right people to make money.
You forgot the “WORST WINTER IN 500 YEARS, SNOWMAGEDDON DEATH STORM” headlines Cougar
(actually you did mention weather, sorry, missed it before posting)
The best thing about that link that is the Bloody Benefits* (excludes pensioners) filter
How does electoral fraud not fit the brexiteers 'afront to democracy and social unrest would follow' response that another referendum?
How does electoral fraud not fit the brexiteers ‘afront to democracy and social unrest would follow’ response that another referendum?
Because it was perpetrated by wealthy white men.
Huzzah! Fluffy mega-comfortable slippers arrived just in time as it's getting damn chilly around these parts in the mountains - the tops are now deep in snow and I live in a house with tiled floors...
Good job I'm living in Europe though, if I was in the United Kingdom Of Ruritania post-Brexit, I'd probably be arrested by the Farageian Loyalty Police.
They're made in Poland. 😳
How does electoral fraud not fit the brexiteers ‘afront to democracy and social unrest would follow’ response that another referendum?
Because they won through it... there is no argument of reason. They do not believe they would ever win again so fear any more “democracy”.
The sad irony is that we will be a rule taker if EU standards for our products and the rest of the world will get to set our tariffs and internal subsidies for businesses. Plus we will probably have more of the wrong kind of immigration and costs will increase for everything...
Have any of the Belize diplomatic service, with opaque sources of funding, who facilitated the undermining of our democracy, gone to jail yet? Or does that have to wait 'till we have a different government?
(Banks, Wigmore, Ashcroft, etc etc…)
It’s good that Banks is getting some heat, let’s hope that an investigation is allowed to run its course properly with no Tory intervention. There is still a question to answer for Mrs May as to whether she spiked the initial investigation when Home Secretary.......
It’s as true now as it has ever been - “Follow the money.....”
Even the mail don't seem to approve.
Now Paul Dacre has been replaced, didn’t I read that the new chap would be taking a softer editorial line?
Presumably this is evidence of that...
Arron Banks has a smug chubby face you could never ever tire of slapping with a wet fish.
He’s as dodgy as ****! If you could build an e-fit of the type of bloke who’s spent his life funnelling funny money through dubious offshore bank accounts, you end up with a picture of Arron Banks
I’d probably be arrested by the Farageian Loyalty Police
Nah you would be safe. Remember the glorious brexit elite wont let that loyalty police happen. Otherwise they will be in trouble themselves. Although admittedly for many of them living overseas it wont be a problem.
didn’t I read that the new chap would be taking a softer editorial line?
The new one is a remainer as are the owners, just in the past Dacre did what he wanted anyway (according to private eye anyway)
Well in the last 10 days I've started to hear a lot more precautions about the end of March being taken, exports/imports being hurried up, orders being brought forward etc. Uncertainty is messing a lot of things up at the moment. Brexit is sitting very high on the risk registers of a lot of people - even down to not knowing if a company will be able to have people working on the mainland or here come April.
Don't worry the Tories are bringing back hanging....
You cant make this stuff up.
I have arrived at the conclusion that i simply dont belong here anymore (probably never did)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46086336
Hanging maybe but the are losing the business vote now.
<p class="story-body__introduction">More than 70 business leaders have signed a letter to the Sunday Times calling for a public vote on the UK's Brexit deal.</p>
The chief executive of Waterstones and former Sainsbury's boss Justin King are among those saying a "destructive hard Brexit" will damage the UK economy.
Hanging maybe but the are losing the business vote now.
They have gone beyond caring about votes. It’s all consuming madness
They have gone beyond caring about votes. It’s all consuming madness
Yep. Appeasement of a bunch of narrow minded racist pensioners who seem to want to punish younger people for some reason......
The pudgy-faced crook is on with Marr in a few minutes.
The pensioners don't want to punish young people. They aren't actively trying to make things worse. They just don't get it. Don't ascribe to evil what can be explained by ignorance.
Reports that the N.I. problem has been solved.......
some form of customs union.
Lets wait and see.
The pensioners don’t want to punish young people. They aren’t actively trying to make things worse.
They just want more for them. The were sold ideals decades ago that could never be fulfilled unless money was invested.
everyone wants someone else to pay. Rich people, businesses etc. The future is more cost for everyone
as Always expected there will be a fudge. We will pay cash to the EU, we will access the customs union, there will be a skilled visa system that will make it much Harder for UK people to move to Europe due to the lack of language training we have in primary schools giving May a “positive” but everyone a worse deal...
It's the continual appeasement of pensioners since the 80s that have kept the Tories in power - their 'entitlement' to say they paid for it, they deserve it is nonsense, the taxes they paid are long spent looking after their parents and it is today's taxpayers who are subsidising their lifestyles with free bus passes, index-linked pensions and TV licenses when many are comparatively well-off. If we'd wisely invested the proceeds from the sale of public utilities and windfall from North Sea oil but instead, we've had 30 years of successive Governments handing out tax cuts, selling off council housing at knock-down prices to 'buy' votes. Brexit is just the same, false promises and lies regardless of the long-term economic consequences - the worst thing is the damage will be unrecoverable as the door to Europe will be firmly slammed behind us.
“What companies in Rock Services provided the money?”
But answer came there none...
Appeasement of a bunch of narrow minded racist pensioners who seem to want to punish younger people for some reason……
This stuff about pensioners is bollocks, quite frankly. Pensioners don't want to punish the young, they just want to protect what they see are their own interests. Whether they're right or wrong is irrelevant (wrong IMO). When the pensioners were young they were more politically engaged than the young today. They marched, protested, joined trades unions and voted for governments who would represent their interests. They're only carrying on that tradition. If the younger generation want change they have to make it happen themselves by giving political parties no option but to listen to them. To do that they have to get off their arses, outside of their social media bubbles, organise themselves, and become more engaged in the world around them. It's a cliche, but the world doesn't owe them a living. If they want what their parents and grandparents got, then they need to fight for it instead of just moaning about how unfair it all is.
To do that they have to get off their arses, outside of their social media bubbles, organise themselves, and become more engaged in the world around them. It’s a cliche, but the world doesn’t owe them a living. If they want what their parents and grandparents got, then they need to fight for it instead of just moaning about how unfair it all is.
Like the millions who have marched over this year, who have written to MP's who have demanded action and been ignored.
When the pensioners were young they were more politically engaged than the young today. They marched, protested, joined trades unions and voted for governments who would represent their interests.
So what proportion did? Many of the ones I know have never marched, protested or got off their arse, joining a trade union is one thing getting out and doing something is very different.
Punish or fail to see the consequences of their actions? Is ignorance such a good defence for people?
So what proportion did?
I have no idea. On a purely anecdotal and experiential basis though I'm pretty sure that the young today are less informed and involved in politics, whether that be actual activism or just turning up at a polling booth. It's not the job of their parents to represent their interests, it's their own responsibility.
I may be wrong, and hope I am, but I can't help but think that the millennial generation have a level of entitlement that is way beyond what is deserved. They want everything their parents have, and more, and they want it now, and not because they have earned it, but because it's their birthright. Maybe the brexit vote was punishment? If it was you could hardly blame the older generation for wanting to bring their spoilt offspring down a peg or two.
I may be wrong, and hope I am, but I can’t help but think that the millennial generation have a level of entitlement that is way beyond what is deserved.
The moist entitled people I hear these days are the old/pensioners with crap like I paid in for it (well you paid a fraction of the cost of your pension)
They want everything their parents have, and more, and they want it now, and not because they have earned it, but because it’s their birthright.
I think most would just like stable jobs, good pensions and affordable housing, sounds like basic human rights in a modern developed society.
If it was you could hardly blame the older generation for wanting to bring their spoilt offspring down a peg or two.
PMSL.... Final Salary Pensions, Free University Education, Affordable Housing, Right to Buy Council Houses way under market value, Asset stripping the state to fund the lifestyles of those now older and content.
In the cold light of day those baby boomers and hitting retirement now have stripped the country bare, crippled us with debt and costs and expect everyone to be OK with that while they complain that low interest rates are hurting their savings and tax changes mean the BTL property isn't as profitable anymore.
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No lablour MP should be worried about supporting a second referendum.
On a purely anecdotal and experiential basis though I’m pretty sure that the young today are less informed and involved in politics, whether that be actual activism
From what I recall the evidence is a lot more mixed. I believe there is more involvement in single action pressure groups but there is a drop in voting. Which, when you look at the identikit political parties ignoring them, or in small cases, pretending to listen and then going against promises you cant really blame them for.
I may be wrong, and hope I am, but I can’t help but think that the millennial generation have a level of entitlement that is way beyond what is deserved.
Being in the middle of the two groups I would say you definitely are. The millenial generation is being ****ed over the most out of all. The drawbridges have been steadily drawn up to help keep the cash for the pensioners.
I dont think it is unreasonable for them to expect the same access to housing as previous generations. Problem is the council houses have disappeared for expensive rentals and the ability to buy is limited by the desperate attempts to keep the housing market booming.
If you want to see entitlement speak to the average pensioner not a millennial. Its a case of massive projection of their own flaws onto the younger generation possibly with a nice dose of guilt around how they took the money and ran and left things unstable of those who followed.
I have no idea. On a purely anecdotal and experiential basis though I’m pretty sure that the young today are less informed and involved in politics, whether that be actual activism or just turning up at a polling booth. It’s not the job of their parents to represent their interests, it’s their own responsibility.
I may be wrong, and hope I am, but I can’t help but think that the millennial generation have a level of entitlement that is way beyond what is deserved. They want everything their parents have, and more, and they want it now, and not because they have earned it, but because it’s their birthright. Maybe the brexit vote was punishment? If it was you could hardly blame the older generation for wanting to bring their spoilt offspring down a peg or two.
I think they are far more informed actually:
1) Who voted out of the EU? Boomers. Who largely understands the benefits of the EU and are macroeconomic literate? Millenials
2) Who tends to deny climate change? Boomers. Who understands and is interested in climate change? Millenials
3) Who is more egalitarian when it comes to geopolitical and social issues? ie the refugee crisis. Millenials
4) Who is working harder at school in a more competitive environment? Millennials.
5) Who expected the state to pick up after them and smoked pot throughout the 60's? Boomers. Who takes less drugs and drinks less? Millenials
6) Who sold out their left wing hippy ideals for a bit of quick cash? Boomers. Who makes their activism their career instead of wasting it ranting about "corporates" whilst stoned out of their minds at a Burning Man festival? Millennials.
Boomer activism was about rebellion, millennial activism is about collective responsibility.
PMSL…. Final Salary Pensions, Free University Education, Affordable Housing, Right to Buy Council Houses way under market value, Asset stripping the state to fund the lifestyles of those now older and content.
Indeed - added to which is the small matter of the boomer generation having f'ed the planet - climate change, destruction of habitat, species extinctions etc. And now the younger generations have to pick up the pieces.
If you want to see entitlement speak to the average pensioner not a millennial. Its a case of massive projection of their own flaws onto the younger generation possibly with a nice dose of guilt around how they took the money and ran and left things unstable of those who followed.
Hang on. I start to receive my state pension next year. I don't feel guilty about it.
Oh good, you don't feel any guilt about the state you left the place.
I dont think it is unreasonable for them to expect the same access to housing as previous generations.
Previous generations or the boomers? Lots of the houses in my town were tied to your job but not any more as all that industry has gone. Yes housing is a bit crap but life is pretty good.
look at pictures from the 60s and 70s everything looks crapped out. where I live didn’t have electricity till the 40s. Don’t forget in the 70s you had to write how much cash you were taking out of the country in your passport... no one I know remembers if fondly, mostly just as it was cold, hungry and you had nothing.
like comparing footballers of different generations comparing the opportunities of people coming up when the country’s industry was very rapidly transforming to a pretty stable unchanging one. You cannot progress forwards if all you want is what is lost to the past.
Exactly what state have I left the place in? I have contributed through taxation during my working life, I have paid not only state pension contributions but superannuation (investing a portion of my own earnings). I have bought my own house. I'm not going to be wealthy when I retire but I will have a roof over my head and food on the table. So on balance I don't feel I have anything to feel guilty about.
BTW age wasn't even the strongest indicator of brexit vote. Education level and income were.
Exactly what state have I left the place in? I have contributed through taxation during my working life, I have paid not only state pension contributions but superannuation (investing a portion of my own earnings). I have bought my own house. I’m not going to be wealthy when I retire but I will have a roof over my head and food on the table. So on balance I don’t feel I have anything to feel guilty about.
Essentially, your generation chose not to pay enough tax knowing full ****ing well how long you lot would be living for and how bad the aging population timebomb would be.
And you won't have paid enough tax to offset the damage to the planet either - again, that will be for me to partly pick up and my children to pick up.
You then chose to pull the rug from under the millennials feet in terms of giving them the same state based opportunity that you had.
Exactly what state have I left the place in? I have contributed through taxation during my working life,
Underfunded higher education
No significant investment in social housing
Big sell off's
Under investment in infrastructure
Complete waste of oil income
But hey you lot were the politically active lot....
And now the younger generations have to pick up the pieces.
and I know this is going slightly OT, how many of the younger generation actually gives a shit about climate change etc? From my limited dealings with 20 somethings more interested in the latest console and phone than in what they can do to limit their impact.
Yes there are people who care, but are there enough in any generation?
Underfunded higher education
No significant investment in social housing
Big sell off’s
Under investment in infrastructure
Complete waste of oil income
But hey you lot were the politically active lot….
it might be worth mentioning that all of this happened because the country was broke. Selling everything allowed some recovery. Not beginning to reinvest in the boom years but to load public expenditure in the later 90s and 2000s. Has compounded the issue. We still generate cash from the oil. Ok not so much but that is still pissed away.
now look at the policy. Through a really crap time the deficit has been controlled (maybe) but not eliminated and now it is time to spend again... it’s like an addicts cycle. Get straight enough to score and dive back in...
We can’t blame all of our issues in the past when we are not addressing them now.
it might be worth mentioning that all of this happened because the country was broke. Selling everything allowed some recovery. Not beginning to reinvest in the boom years but to load public expenditure in the later 90s and 2000s. Has compounded the issue. We still generate cash from the oil. Ok not so much but that is still pissed away.
now look at the policy. Through a really crap time the deficit has been controlled (maybe) but not eliminated and now it is time to spend again… it’s like an addicts cycle. Get straight enough to score and dive back in…
We can’t blame all of our issues in the past when we are not addressing them now.
It's worse than that, your taxation level, more specifically your national insurance contributions were always unsustainable in the long term - even when you factor out the boom and bust years.
Fairly sure the IMF have stated that austerity actually harmed our economic recovery anyway.
Here's the real problem...
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/8950/society/impact-ageing-population-economy/
how many of the younger generation actually gives a shit about climate change etc?
Well, for example, from conversations about university courses, it is clear that the fossil fuel oriented courses are having a hard time recruiting students despite the prospect of high paying jobs, and this is due to the appreciation of the environmental impact.
how many of the younger generation actually gives a shit about climate change etc?
Loads.
They just enter the field in a professional capacity instead of treading around muddy fields listening to Pink Floyd.
What you are describing up there are policies put in place by successive governments. You have no idea what my feelings on those issues are.
For what it's worth (not much in your opinion I suspect) taxation levels were much higher when I started work in 1976 than today. So arguably, unless some government decides to increase taxation (and that seems unlikely), my generation will have paid more in taxation than those starting work today.
If you compare taxation in the UK with more "enlightened" political systems (like Scandinavia) we do indeed pay less tax and that, in my view, is not a good thing. But to support higher taxation we also require a more equitable distribution of wealth. I would support both of those.
Awesome.
Just don't pretend millennials aren't switched on, they know exactly what is going on and see that classical activism got the boomers nowhere.
The comments about them being obsessed with their phones etc, did anyone ever consider that because of the break up of the extended family and the lack of affordable housing - that small trinkets are the only thing distracting them a bit? I'm in a weird position, I can afford mountain bikes, phones, the ****ing lot - but not a house within sensible commuting distance of my work....yet....I could get the 50-80 grand deposit together in a few years.....the loan being affordable might take a while though...and what's the point...it's not like I have grandparents around to make kids affordable...and being tied to a house in todays job market scares the shit out of me. I'd rather have the house than the trinkets though - what I'm trying to say is that all these youngsters would rather have a house than an iPhone if they saw the point and could afford it. Millenials from backgrounds with big extended families, ie my wifes - are a lot more family orientated - and despite her working in a Wealth Management fund - she doesn't spend her money, unless it's on family or making others happy.
The negative aspects of millennials are much more a symptom of social breakdown amongst whites than any deep seated selfishness...
I dont think it is unreasonable for them to expect the same access to housing as previous generations.
I'm not going to argue on housing. The boomers have undoubtedly benefitted from a massive undeserved windfall as a result of housing policy which the young today won't get unless they inherit that wealth. On pensions and education though, the boomers rightfully defend what they got. Whether you agree with the policies or not, they demanded generous pensions and free education, and they got them through their political actions and voting for governments who offered these policies. It's not unreasonable that they should expect the deal they secured 30/40 years ago to be honoured. The millennials could get the same, but they need to persuade politicians and parties to offer them that, rather than simply blaming the older generation for taking more than their fair share.
Quite frankly, if you're a pensioner today (and I'm talking mostly about working class pensioners) looking at kids with their iphones, ipads, designer clothes etc with their cosseted consumerist lifestyles you might wonder what the hell they're complaining about, given that they didn't grow up in a post-war society where the work was hard and grinding, there was an ever-present threat of nuclear armageddon and things like sun-dried tomatoes, fancy coffee and craft beer didn't exist. I would bet if you gave kids a choice today between iphones and the rest of it vs steady but boring jobs and a decent pension most would choose the gadgets and fancy coffee.
steady but boring jobs and a decent pension most would choose the gadgets and fancy coffee.
I don't believe that for a second, a lot of them are unhappy and know that they are.
There's a reason why this film is hugely popular with kids born from the mid 80's through to the 2000s.....
Minimalism is currently the next big thing with millennials...
The millennials could get the same, but they need to persuade politicians and parties to offer them that, rather than simply blaming the older generation for taking more than their fair share.
How does that work in a democracy where the older vote carries more weight again, through sheer numbers?
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/01/millennials-overtake-baby-boomers/
In the states, millennials have only just started to get any political power, so I would expect their voting behaviour to change over time because of that.
https://www.psychbytes.com/decline-of-stuff-millennials-are-going-minimalist/
It appears they aren't as materialistic as well....at least in the states.
The millennials could get the same, but they need to persuade politicians and parties to offer them that, rather than simply blaming the older generation for taking more than their fair share.
I remember all those kids in '97 voting for tuition fee's
National service, vote winner....
I would bet if you gave kids a choice today between iphones and the rest of it vs steady but boring jobs and a decent pension most would choose the gadgets and fancy coffee.
Yes Granddad, nobody these days works hard. What you seem to miss is that a steady and boring job can pay for a phone and a coffee can't it. Not much chance of it paying for a decent pension unless you up the employer contributions by a significant amount.
It does seem like there is a grand over simplification of work these days.
How does that work in a democracy where the older vote carries more weight again, though sheer numbers?
I'm not gonna look up the figures but look at the turnout figures of the over-60s and under-30s. Yes there is a demographic bias, but much of it is (probably) accounted for by the simple action of turning up at a polling station. And even besides that, there are other ways to get what you want such trade union membership, political party membership and grassroots activism. Policy makers don't just go off the numbers.
And even besides that, there are other ways to get what you want such trade union membership, political party membership and grassroots activism.
You mean like Momentum? You mean exactly like what Millennials are doing? How long has it been since boomers put a far left candidate in the Labour party?
And even besides that, there are other ways to get what you want such trade union membership, political party membership and grassroots activism. Policy makers don’t just go off the numbers.
Have record numbers of young people not joined the Labour party recently? Got involved with things like momentum - which the establishment seem to want to write off as communists and the like.
Anyway it's all the fault of the young over entitled debt ridden generations.
There is something fundamentally wrong int he UK at the moment, the divisions are growing which helps the rich tory donors keep getting richer while we take our eye off the ball.
How about all those telling us it's the fault of the kids come up some ideas on how to improve the situation of people leaving uni or joining the workforce this year?
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Hang on. I start to receive my state pension next year. I don’t feel guilty about it.
And that's absolutely fine. But if you're looking down on the current generation who want a slice of what your generation and mine got, and calling them entitled for looking at us and saying "why can't we have that", then that's something to feel guilty about.
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I work with "millenials" and 9/10ths of what they get slagged off for is hypocrisy or ignorance. They are us, and they just got dealt a different hand. some parts of that hand are pretty good but others deeply suck and especially slagging them off for buying phones at approximately .15% of an average first home instead of saving is ridiculous, they could live like monks and it'll make ****-all difference while they have to pay more per month to rent to someone who you probably don't think of as entitled.
You mean like Momentum?
Exactly! And if you read my past posts on other threads you'll see I'm a big supporter of things like Momentum for the vary reasons I state. It's only a start though, and aside from keeping Corbyn in position it hasn't yet put anyone in power, and it's unlikely to if they simply blame previous generations for whatever perceived injustices exist now*. The thing is the old will support the young if they drop the chip on the shoulder it's-all-the-fault-of-the-boomers rubbish.
*To my knowledge Momentum aren't doing that anyway so it's a moot point.