This is just terrible. The baying daily mail xenophobes and racists are lapping it up. It's an embarrassing low point for this country.
I look forward to the long overdue investment in...... Education to reduce the vast inequalities in outcoem we see & has us pfalling down global league tables, Apprenticeships that have collapsed since the providing body was privatised, investment in infrastructure in thepoorest regions, to replace the funding that currently comes from the EU.........
There will be loads of that in our low tax, perpetual austerity post-brexit Britain, fo suh!
Well the DUP just killed May's latest version of Chequers, then....
https://twitter.com/BloombergTV/status/1047036439228243968?s=19
There will be loads of that in our low tax, perpetual austerity post-brexit Britain, fo suh!
If we can roll back some HSE regs then we should start reducing life expectancy again and we can get on top of pensions
By Checks in the Irish sea does she mean Cheques or Czechs?
Well the resident unemplyed population largely lives in an area due to accidents of history. They were born there, schooled there and have stayed there. A migrant population (by defintion) will always be more flexible about where it can work.
And what is stopping any of those people becoming migrants themselves?
And what is stopping any of those people becoming migrants themselves?
*sarcasm mode ON*
Cultahhh bruv, like we want to stick close to our roots/nans even if that means living in the middle of a sheep **** nowhere derelict mining village. Migration is for brown people, they're poor because their cultures are like shit and backwards plus they don't work hard enough innit. Where as we worked hard, I mean my grandad fought WW2 - so we deserve the good life.
*sarcasm mode OFF*
They feel like they're better than those people, so why should they move. Instead it's the governments, migrants, middle class peoples, the Chinese, the New World Order or the gays faults.
They’re so lazy, they’d need to get on their e-bikes to find work
A bus will collect you at 3am to take you to the field
If you're expecting anything other than minimum wage you'll need to organise your own bus. Plenty of Eastern European workers have done this for themselves if their employer has been sufficiently good for them to consider this.
Brexit supporters I know also get very ranty about people “living of the state”.
Which is also ironic since loads of them retired at 55 on fantastic yet unsustainable pensions and receive a state pension to boot.
Meanwhile, as the Dutch see it...
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the view of the Swiss
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/view-from-switzerland_britain-is-the-laughing-stock-of-europe/43270490
Just watched Johnson. Whilst it's a bit rich for him to say that we should stop talking about Europe given he was one of the main people who fuelled the fire, I fear his points about respecting the vote and having the confidence to go it alone will be what the vast majority in this country think. He's cynically and very effectively pulling on the patriotic and jingoistic heart strings. I'll say it now, he'll be the next PM, and we're going out with no deal.
Thts looking scarily likely
Cant see May getting that kind of rapturous applause he just got trashing Chequers, when she tries to sell it later
Nope. Up against that speech he just gave May doesn't have a chance. The tories will dump her after the conference, he'll be PM by xmas I think.
I’ll say it now, he’ll be the next PM, and we’re going out with no deal.
If that scenario comes to pass, I state with equal certainty that the UK in its current format will not last 5 years.
Part of me will be tickled if it goes tits up big style, Boris gets in, poor houses are back, the IRA kicks off l, Scotland secedes, Spain annexes Gibraltar....
He’s cynically and very effectively pulling on the patriotic and jingoistic heart strings. I’ll say it now, he’ll be the next PM,
The problem for him is he needs to get the tory MPs to vote for him first before the general members can anoint him.
Given how much they loath him I am not sure that is going to happen.
Given how much they loath him I am not sure that is going to happen.
It's the only reason he isn't already leader. However, how long can they hold out? Much like with Corbyn, the parliamentary party can't resist the members forever or they'll risk destroying the party altogether. And with Corbyn waiting in the wings they'll turn eventually.
Nah he's not after power yet, he just wants to keep chipping away at May so that when she fails to deliver a deal he can sieze the moment. Trouble is that an overt leadership bid from BoJo would pull the party even further apart than it is now - if they split into "full-on-swivel-eyed" and "a-bit-right-of-the-lib-dems" then they're gone from power for a while and effectively hand the country to Corbyn, which they will never do.
And let's not forget what he did the last time there was a vacancy at #10, though the 2018 incarnation of BoJo is a bit different to the 2016 model.
No matter what he’d have you think, the majority of Tory MP’s would rather hug a disabled, Black, Muslim lesbian eco-activist with cat AIDS than see Johnson’s name put to the membership as an option for the leadership.
He must know this full-well. He’s as (rightfully) despised by his parliamentary colleagues as he’s adored by the senile racist old giffers.
All his supporters will be dead soon, so he might as well have a crack at the leadership now though
poor houses are back,
Maybe not a bad idea would cure homelessness , shirkers benefit fraudsters , the ****less who don't want to pull their weight for a country.
the ****less who don’t want to pull their weight for a country.
pensioners?
They probably didn't even shed a tear when the queen mum died, gawd bless her.
He’s as (rightfully) despised by his parliamentary colleagues as he’s adored by the senile racist old giffers.
Not nearly as much as they hate Corbyn. That speech he gave said as much, it's him or Corbyn. They'll fall in line once the chips are down.
That speech he gave said as much, it’s him or Corbyn.
Lets see who would oppose him. His ego won't consider anyone else but Govey is still out there
Lets see who would oppose him.
Doesn't matter really. He'll trounce anyone when it gets to the members, and the members won't tolerate him not being on the ballot. Maybe I'm assuming the members have more influence/power than they do, but if such a massive majority want him on the ballot I don't see how they can resist without risking complete implosion and potentially a split. The tories are now at where the labour party were two years ago. Just like in labour the anti-Johnson rebels won't have the balls to split.
pensioners ?
No the cast of Jeremy Kyle.
By Checks in the Irish sea does she mean Cheques or Czechs?
Arlene will always accept cheques (prefers cash, obviously), so it must be one of the others.
No the cast of Jeremy Kyle.
and pensioners. Only ones to have been getting a pay rise
Part of me will be tickled if it goes tits up big style, Boris gets in, poor houses are back, the IRA kicks off l, Scotland secedes, Spain annexes Gibraltar….
You forgot the bit about house prices plummeting in value, so making the 'wealthy' middle class stop spending overnight, plunging us into 5-10 years of stagnation or negative growth. This also means an increase in all sorts of costs, from food to fuel, so raising inflation and interest levels, so pushing more into negative equity and arrears, so compounding the first problem.
Dear me I could be part of project fear so easily...
Arlene will always accept cheques (prefers cash, obviously), so it must be one of the others.
Agreed, she is so playing the 'extra money please' game.
The problem for him is he needs to get the tory MPs to vote for him first before the general members can anoint him.
He only needs to get into the final round of voting. There are various scenarios in which this is laughably possible.
You would have thought that the 315 or so Tory MPs wouldn't be stupid enough to depose TM in the first place, but stupid voting decisions appear to be de rigeur now.
I'll be okay Matt, I don't own a house and me and the wife's jobs are insulated from Brexit.
Bwahahahahah.
We'll have a deposit ready just in time for when house prices bottom out.
Arhahahahahahahhhhh.
Basically, the only people who will gain from this are carpet bagging yuppies. Non of my old brexit voting school mates had this in mind, it was to stick one up to people like me.
He (well no one) wants to be leader of May makes a deal. They would be saddled with following it much as none of the Brexiters wanted to lead and get a deal.
Boris wants to be leader but after March do he can blame everything on someone else.
I am not sure Boris would stand a vote of no confidence in the house... once the mess is set down then the infighting and straight fighting in the HOC will start
Maybe not a bad idea would cure homelessness , shirkers benefit fraudsters , the ****less who don’t want to pull their weight for a country.
Such as
the cast of Jeremy Kyle.
If I could not be shamed into work having seen people travel thousands of miles across Europe to do quality work and in a second language, then I doubt the words of a self entitled mop top buffoon would manage it either.
Or if I were the kind of person that would happily take a few quid to undergo a DNA test to find out if I was actually the father of my children on day time television, again, being bussed into a muddy and smelly farm and having God Save the Queen blasted at me through a PA system, alongside speeches of Boris' inspirational drivel on whiff whaff and picaninnies, is unlikely to inspire me to pick potatoes any faster.
Is this how Brexit Britain hopes to improve productivity??
Or if I were the kind of person that would happily take a few quid to undergo a DNA test to find out if I was actually the father of my children on day time television, again, being bussed into a muddy and smelly farm and having God Save the Queen blasted at me through a PA system, alongside speeches of Boris’ inspirational drivel on whiff whaff and picaninnies, is unlikely to inspire me to pick potatoes any faster.
Couldn't the government just legalise semi-automatic ownership and let us middle classes get on with turning Britain into a plantation economy?
I'd like to see a black lawyer chasing normal Norfolk types through the woods with hounds...
Love Femi's work. He's upstaged Nigel farage on a few occasions
"Their FOM rights reduce from 31 countries to 30. UK citizens FOM rights will reduce from 31 to 1."
This sums it up perfectly. The EU will be irritated by this freedom of movement stance but we'll be hamstrung.
Re the endless leadership challenge (which hasn't really stopped even since before May was "leader"), Hunt's speech was his latest bid for consideration. The total ****.
Tick tock. Who's laughing at my prediction of riots now!
Cant see May getting that kind of rapturous applause he just got
Depends if she fills the room with her supporters and instructs them to clap and cheer loudly.
Maybe not a bad idea would cure homelessness , shirkers benefit fraudsters , the ****less who don’t want to pull their weight for a country.
1/10 on your recent troll posts. No-one has bitten, must try harder.
Thoroughly depressing stuff coming out the Tory conference. Desperate jingoism from all the factions aimed at the most knuckle dragging elements of their support.
touting a £30k threshold for what is considered as skilled vs non skilled roles for any future immigrants. No thought as to whether that would be applied uniformly across the UK, before you even consider the amount of skilled jobs that pay way less. I believe a lot of highly skilled science jobs pay less than £30k.
as above, BoJo will be PM sooner rather than later, and we’re crashing out with no deal. The only small glimmer of hope for me is the fact I sold my house a few months ago and I have no intention of buying until the dust settles, so I’m going to be insulated from the worst impact. Sadly, a lot of people won’t be.
as above, BoJo will be PM sooner rather than later, and we’re crashing out with no deal.
I can't see him carrying the numbers in parliament to carry that off. No deal is a tiny minority preference
Unless of course there are enough people who don't like him and would be happy to set him up as the next fall guy.
In my industry , hospitality and catering , not a lot of people earn 30k .
As they’re presently pointing out in Chanel 4 news, the likes of that shyster Johnson and Rees Mogg are all criticising May (for their own ends) but still failing to come up with anything remotely resembling a workable alternative proposition
Just more to add to their totally unhinged book of dreams
They actually genuinely want the chaos of a No Deal Brexit because, of course, those *s and their mates will ultimately do very nicely out of it, thank you very much, and * everyone else
Meanwhile the heads of Toyota and Vauxhall have just made it pretty clear that under a No Deal scenario they’d move car production from the U.K. to mainland Europe.
Remind me how many weeks they’ve got left to sort this total cluster-**** out?
I notice both Ruth Davidson and David Mundell have rallied behind May and the Chequers deal as they know how disastrous a no deal Brexit and Boris as PM both are for the constitutional position of the UK.
I believe a lot of highly skilled science jobs pay less than £30k.
They won’t be able to under the proposed scheme. There is some misconception that in a global market people will still want to come to the UK and earn less than they can elsewhere... the only way to attract people will be with money and new projects funded from within the uk (as we have lost eu funding). The magic money tree must be growing big and strong
I think we're going to see the UK split very soon if its no deal. Nothing, other than cancelling the whole thing, will solve the Irish border issue. No deal will massively fuel the independence movement up here in Scotland.
At least England and Wales will get to enjoy their blue passports
I’m still holding out for the Norwegian Capitulation. Johnson as PM. God help us. At least houses are cheap in France. Only five years for nationality requirements. I have heard nothing from the Tory party conference to instil any semblance of sanity. The Swiss summed it up perfectly.
Last minute Norway, parliamentary approval and as you were. I don’t think anything else will fly. Not that anything is flying. I will NEVER forgive them for taking away my EU rights.
Tick tock. Who’s laughing at my prediction of riots now!
Can the over 70's/retirees actually riot though?, they may be able to shake their fists a bit, leak piss everywhere and declare that they'll never vote ever again but i see that as only a good thing for the country.
They'll be nae riots in Scotland, for once we are the sensible ones, we'll just leave all those south of the border to tear themselves apart in the name of democracy.
It might be time to start on the words to Advance Australia Fair if that all happens, they will have a better deal with the eu.
Nothing, other than cancelling the whole thing, will solve the Irish border issue.
Still on the cards, isn't it?
My goodness the Tory conference is a slow motion car crash
How can May continue with the pretence chequers has anything to offer and her latest idea that the whole UK stays in sufficient alignment to avoid the hard border on the island of Ireland has been categorically ruled out already for 2 reasons - its time limited and it hands an advantage to the UK that the EU will and can never allow
See all those nurses from span who used to come here - they earn well under 30 000 so would not count as skilled workers. We need them and they need the jobs ( spain overproduces trained nurses) However they have already stopped coming to the UK and under this bit of stupidity wouod not be able to start coming again.
. I believe a lot of highly skilled science jobs pay less than £30k.
Indeed, in some areas like archaeology, you're looking at considerably less, even biosciences there are plenty of jobs on less, especially outside London, would be throwing pretty much every lab I know of into chaos restricting access to workers.
Tbh if Welcome carry through their threat to reduce funding in the UK, it won't matter anyway, there will be far less science Jobs anyway!
I think it just illustrates how freaking ignorant & insulated our MPs are
Not sure if this was posted already, but it makes for very grim viewing
I believe a lot of highly skilled science jobs pay less than £30k.
Overused but some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
How can May continue with the pretence chequers has anything to offer and her latest idea that the whole UK stays in sufficient alignment to avoid the hard border on the island of Ireland has been categorically ruled out already for 2 reasons – its time limited and it hands an advantage to the UK that the EU will and can never allow
You forget that Raab, Mogg et al are labouring under the misapprehension that we can keep saying "no" to Europe and they'll swing desperately round and cave in to our demands, which is what they jolly well should have done in the first place.
The gig is f***ed.
Still on the cards, isn’t it?
Canceling brexit outright would be too politically dangerous (not that that really matters given how utterly politics is broken In the UK already).
What we'll see is a slow climb down by way of extension of the status quo beyond March 2019 and a very quiet and complete capitulation spun as a British victory in the press.
Whether that takes the shape of staying in as we are by quiet embarrassing cancellation of A50, or, BRINO with no seat at the top table.. I'd take either given the alternatives. I'd obviously prefer the former.
The former would require a politician (preferably the PM) to stand up and admit they made a mistake..
Honesty, integrity and humility are in short supply in British politics at present.. If you ask me, a strong leader shouldn't be afraid of admitting a mistake and learning from it and then putting things right.. That would gain more respect in the long run rather than carrying on with a fools errand.
Whoever might be PM at the time is probably more interested in saving face though.. Time will tell I guess.
I'm as incensed as any other that my rights might be removed by a bunch of toffs hoodwinking the less informed people in society.. It should be criminal.
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Canceling brexit outright would be too politically dangerous
I don't think that will happen, but a second ref might. And what's on the ballot will determine our future, so it's open to manipulation.
It would be very interesting to see what side the current fence sitting politicians would take in a 2nd referendum.
May for example was a remainer. What position, if any, would she take? What about Corby?
The swivel eyed loon leave at all cost Tories will end up being the loudest voices, and there will be no prominent voices backing whatever remain/cancel/least bad option would be on a 2nd referendum
Boris as PM and him leading us out of Europe. What could go wrong with that? Well nothing if like me you are a Scottish nationalist. The gig really is ****ed though, isn’t it?
Well Yes, the sht has really hit the fan.
I can't really see anything but a no agreement + continue largely as is on a temporary basis deal now, which might not be such a bad thing (there will be some pain and disruption but hopefully not a crippling amount, just enough to give the leave muppets enough of a wake up call and make Johnson and Mogg go into hiding).
A 2nd referendum would be nice but I can understand the political toxicity of having another in/out referendum, not only would it probably be mired in legal challenges but you're basically saying we can never have another referendum as we won't necessarily abide by it (not that that's such a bad thing IMO).
I'm not sure what a referendum on whatever brexit deal is done would achieve, it would either back some shitfest of a compromise where everyone loses or it would kill that deal and we'd have no deal.
On the flipside the UK economy is (for now at least) the 2nd biggest in Europe, there's enough pain to be had by remaining EU members that hopefully they'll at least get some sort of free trade deal in place (no that that will help much if the movement of goods is severely impacted).
What also surprises me (kind of) is just how little effort seems to be going into government IT systems to factor in brexit and that senior management on the ground don't really seem to be planning for contingencies a, b, c and d they're just waiting for any agreement details to come to light before deciding what to plan for, that will be way too late though.
you’re basically saying we can never have another referendum as we won’t necessarily abide by it
It's almost as if these things can be purely advisory. Oh wait....
What also surprises me (kind of) is just how little effort seems to be going into government IT systems to factor in brexit and that senior management on the ground don’t really seem to be planning for contingencies a, b, c and d they’re just waiting for any agreement details to come to light before deciding what to plan for, that will be way too late though.
Surely not? Someone kept telling us the grownups behind the scenes are planning accordingly...
Re: the Norway option that has been mentioned above. It would actually have to be Norway+ since Norway is in the Single market but not in the customs union, meaning border checks.
In order for a Norway type deal to work we would have to remain in both CU and the SM. Someone else will have to explain what the difference between being in both without being in the EU and just being in the EU is. Other than having no say in laws created by the EU, of course.
Someone kept telling us the grownups behind the scenes are planning accordingly…
As indeed they have. The banks will be fine. That's the only thing that matters, right?
You forget that Raab, Mogg et al are labouring under the misapprehension that we can keep saying “no” to Europe and they’ll swing desperately round and cave in to our demands, which is what they jolly well should have done in the first place.
No they're not, particularly JRM. He is a disaster capitalist who is well positioned to profit hugely from the utter shitshow of a no-deal Brexit. His interest is almost entirely self-motivated and cynical.
Saps like Grayling and Davis, perhaps. Grayling can barely tie his own shoelaces, so is naive enough to drop gormlessly off the cliff edge.
but you’re basically saying we can never have another referendum as we won’t necessarily abide by it
Technically that has always been the case due to parliamentary sovereignty.
Even one which was done as legally binding, eg the Alternative vote one, could be replaced the next week although it could get interesting legally I guess (translation lots of school fees and new cars for the lawyers involved).
A legally binding one though would almost certainly have required a higher threshold to truly demonstrate its "the will of the people".
The banks will be fine.
Bankers still need food, energy, medicine, transport and not having their buildings set on fire by protesters (as they will be a convenient target once the immigrants have gone and Tesco is empty)
Grayling can barely tie his own shoelaces, so is naive enough to drop gormlessly off the cliff edge.
In a THM stylee I'm having top secret negotiations with him to avert going WTO.
Well , I've written to him and he wrote back.
OK OK OK, but apart from the catering professionals, Spanish nurses, archaeologists, hospitality staff, car factories, bioscientists and fruit pickers...
what has the EU ever done for us?
OK OK OK, but apart from the catering professionals, Spanish nurses, archaeologists, hospitality staff, car factories, bioscientists and fruit pickers…
dont forget teachers , last year 17% of newly qualified teachers were from the EU (nice stat for the bigots complaining about immigrants ruining schools)
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/dec/31/brexit-threat-to-teachers-from-eu
this year teacher numbers have actually fallen, while pupil numbers increase
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44648438
Bankers still need food, energy, medicine, transport and not having their buildings set on fire by protesters (as they will be a convenient target once the immigrants have gone and Tesco is empty)
Yeah, but there's plenty of food in Frankfurt 🙂
In order for a Norway type deal to work we would have to remain in both CU and the SM.
In order for a Norway type deal to work we would need a magic money tree like Norway has.
A letter of no confidence in The Maybot has just been delivered to the 1922 committee. She is about to deliver her conference speech...