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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/15/jp-morgan-landmark-office-dublin-brexit
more good new i am sure all will agree.
They see cadburys etc. close a factory in England, dismantle the production line and move it to Poland, making the same things then shipping them here in a wagon - and you expect them not to be pissed at that? You think that politicians can spin their way out of that?
Doesn't need spin. Just needs someone to point out the stuff that we make that is shipped elsewhere. It's two way traffic.
and leaving the EU stops that how?
Quite - hence I wrote:
IMO Brexit has happened not because those who voted for it have any good reasons
What Kraft did (a US company I might point out) may well have been lousy behaviour and may have come about because they took advantage of free movement of goods and the single market but the crooks to go after are not the EU! The crooks to go after are Kraft and their shareholders...
There's good reasons and there's misapprehension based on ill-informed sentiment based on the UK feeling down on its luck...
Leaving the EU will not stop rapacious capitalists doing stuff in their own interests! If we want the UK to be successful and provide jobs, maybe end our dependence on debt-led consumer spending and insane house price speculation... and invest in training, education, infrastructure, building new businesses etc - and none of these are failing to happen because of the EU - they're the decisions of our governments desperate for the votes of a childlike electorate unwilling to face some hard truths about our the real state of our economy...
the crooks to go after are not the EU! The crooks to go after are Kraft and their shareholders...
EU rules, EU grant money - see also Twinings: https://www.ft.com/content/74ab02a6-fd85-11df-a049-00144feab49a
EU rules, EU grant money
Kraft - American company
Capitalism - global
Shareholders - global
Diagnosis that it was a dirty thing to do - correct
Assumption that the only important element was our membership of the EU - wrong.
Assumption that rapacious international capitalism will leave us alone when we leave the EU - wrong.
Scapegoat the EU if you like but life aint that simple IME...
Oh, and having read that FT article on Twinings - pay attention to this:
EU rules specifically forbid grants from its structural funds from going to subsidise the relocation of businesses. But a joint investigation by the Financial Times and the non-profit Bureau for Investigative Journalism found companies ranging from British tea maker Twinings to automotive company Valeo were at the very least receiving EU subsidies to help with the establishment of new factories, the extension of existing ones and the training of workers in their new homes.
so, once again, Leavers basing their view on ill-informed sentiment and blaming the EU for the failures of others! The EU specifically forbids funds to be used like this but Twinings have manipulated their way round it - the fault is with Twinings and the demands of their shareholders, not the EU!
[quote> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/may/15/jp-morgan-landmark-office-dublin-brexit
more good new i am sure all will agree.
My brother lives in Dublin - and looking at all the cash pouring into the financial district he reckons that if for any reason the banks don't ever move in then on the scale the developers/speculators expect then Dublin's in for another big property bust
Assumption that the [b]only[/b] important element was our membership of the EU - wrong.
Who said it was?
The issue here is that it's the one element that the voters of this country were able to decide to take back control of.
ninfan - desperate brexiteerThey see cadburys etc. close a factory in England, dismantle the production line and move it to Poland, making the same things then shipping them here in a wagon - and you expect them not to be pissed at that? You think that politicians can spin their way out of that?
But Mondelez, the new owners of Cadbury's say:
We would like to reassure consumers that any claims that Bournville is no longer at the heart of Cadbury production are wholly untrue,’ a Mondelez spokeswoman said.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/15/cadbury-denies-moving-dairy-milk-production-to-poland-6382639/
More complicated than the Brexiteers might have us believe.
Irrelevant anyway, since we're going to be an outward looking global economy, open for any random foreigners with hard currency to come and asset strip whatever they fancy. If you don't like that, and prefer some protectionism, you should have voted to remain.
So, the EU will now stop helping companies relocate from the UK to the poorer EU counties (instead of low cost non-EU countiries) because… why exactly? How does us leaving the EU mitigate this problem in ANY way?
The issue here is that it's the one element that the voters of this country were able to decide to take back control of.
As I said - pure sentiment, the desire for control by a country feeling sore about its loss of place in the world - scapegoating the EU - we also have control over our national governments, our own feelings and our own ability to refuse to feel comforted by Far Right nationalist populism!
Like I said - look to your own government, your own emotions and how you use your vote instead of scapegoating the EU!
So where are all the remainers votes going? Labour have more or less said Brexit is on if they get in power, yet the LibDem share of the vote is falling - into single digits in some polls now.
Has it been accepted as a done deal with folks now deciding based on how we leave rather than whether we leave?
How have you taken back control ?
I think the vast majority are thoroughly bored of it and just want it over with. They might not be so resigned when they see what "over with" actually means in practice.
Brexit and a Tory landslide. What's not to like ?
what if corbyn gets in?
jambalaya - Member
Brexit and a Tory landslide. What's not to like ?
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What's not to like ?
Well seeing as we are cuddling up to the US how long till we get this
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/opinion/noncompete-agreements-workers.html?_r=0
whats not to like about bonded servitude?
I see a lot of civil unrest in both America and the UK's future.
Particularly with Jamba's "Brexit and a Tory landslide".
That's probably what's not to like - because we all enjoy strikes and riots don't we? Remember the 80s - that was the last Tory landslide government and it was a bad time.
Oh yes and borrowing. As someone pointed out Tory governments tend to borrow more than Labour ones - so expect austerity and borrowing (but tax cuts for the wealthy - which might help me on one level, but I actually believe in a society with opportunity for all and you don't get that from the Tories).
Brexit and a Tory landslide. What's not to like ?
That just looks like a gloat - which is why I suspect your pronouncements get so much criticism and anger in response.
If you're a Tory and you voted out then of course there's plenty to like.
But for the c30% of the population who voted Remain and the c30% who didn't vote (bearing in mind most of those who voted out will be dead by the time the deal is actually delivered) it's an appalling situation - really appalling.
30% + 30% = a majority of the population so don't you see why gloating about your 'victory' might actually be a rather stupid and dangerous thing to do?
For those who aren't Tory tribalists there's also plenty not to like...
You really really need to get some empathy and concern for others and the fact their preferences and views are different from yours if you want some respect and want people to listen to you...
You really really need to get some empathy and concern for others and the fact their preferences and views are different from yours if you want some respect and want people to listen to you...
Did you hear that Jambalaya?!!! Stop being mean OR ELSE!
Brexit and a Tory landslide. What's not to like
Taken out of the EU by a bunch of ****s and ruled over by a shower of ****s that were voted in by even more ****s.
That's a heck of a lot of ****s to be dealing with,
Well seeing as we are cuddling up to the US how long till we get thishttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/opinion/noncompete-agreements-workers.html?_r=0
whats not to like about bonded servitude?
Also the company I work for in the states also enforces non compete clauses if they lay you off...
So think about that. You lose your job, health insurance and ability to work in your area of expertise for 1 year.. Bunch of twunts...
Oh isn't the EU evil - protecting us from unscrupulous business practices....
[url= https://www.ft.com/content/0765175e-396a-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23 ]£220m fine for drugs company[/url]
Yeah, really evil. Fing clowns want to bring something down that benefits us all. See how you feel when your life saving medicine increases 1500% in price!
Have we done the minimum wage now being higher in Germany and France than it is here?
Brexit — power to the overlooked and underpaid — or the exact opposite of that?
All UK low paid workers now worse off… before you even look at cost of living changes starting to hit home.
I see Macron has been off to see Merkel.
I thought her political career was dead in the water wasn't it?
Brexit and a Tory landslide. What's not to like ?
Both of those.
why xenophobia, brexit, the idea of capping immigration and even nationalism is just fantasy
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/05/theres-no-such-thing-pure-european-or-anyone-else
Brexit and a Tory landslide. What's not to like ?
this is the same thread where you criticised others for turning it into a thread whining about the tories, isn't it? just checking 🙄
Germans not on our side despite the number of Brexiters insisting they will save us as they have so much to lose
German industrialists have warned that British hopes of their support in Brexit negotiations are misplaced and could backfire with dangerous consequences for international trade.Business leaders in Europe’s biggest economy are instead calling on Conservatives to rethink their commitment to leaving the single market, even though the party has doubled down on this promise in its election manifesto.
David Davis and Boris Johnson have repeatedly cited likely pressure from German exporters, such as carmakers, as a reason for thinking they can persuade European negotiators to maintain free trade access after Britain leaves.
But the theory is increasingly rejected by those whose support they need most – scepticism relayed most forcefully by Steffen Kampeter, chief executive of the German employers’ federation, on a trip to the UK this week.
“The top priority of European business is the integrity of the single market; the second priority is making good business with the UK. We will see if there is a conflict, but the message is: do not harm the single market by cherry-picking deals,” he told a conference of British business leaders in London this week.
“It’s not the German carmakers that are directing the negotiations,” added Kampeter, who said he knew of no one who thought a trade deal within 18 months was possible and called for “rhetorical disarmament on all sides”.
Has Turkey joined yet?
2 days late, but thought it worth posting a reminder that the idiots in charge aren't the only idiots. The worst case scenario is a VERY bad scenario.
So here's a thought - apologies if it's not original:
Would it be better to have someone doing the negotiations who wasn't actually responsible for pushing the whole thing through? i.e. Corbyn.
I'd certainly expect a more concilatory tone from my opponents if I was simply trying to clean up a mess created by someone else.
Would it be better to have someone doing the negotiations who wasn't actually responsible for pushing the whole thing through? i.e. Corbyn.
My thoughts were a broad group of mps from all parties but the righties don't like that sort of thinking. Won't be hard enough for them
It's not Corbyn vs May anyway, it's Starmer vs Davies, which puts rather a different spin on things...
Yes I agree. It should be a cross party committee.
May and her crew tossing out soundbites to keep her backbenchers happy and ensure that all the kippers come back to the fold have done a really good job of pissing off the EU , Before the negotiations have even started!
Not to mention her weak and wobbly leadership and election campaign exposing her weaknesses and insecurity
Corbs and Starmer a much safer bet than Maybot and Crazy old Davis !
I see today that the bathing water numbers are out and the UK is second worst in Europe, not hard to imagine what scrapping red tape means.
based on mays recent backpedalling on a few thinks it may nont happen at all
What's that more calm and rational statements from the eu. Ready to negotiate and no threats. Must be a misprint.
Well, we've got a couple more weeks of electioneering, then a govt to form and eventually someone might get round to thinking about brexit plans.
No rush, there's oodles of time to negotiate everything. Assuming your plan entails nothing more detailed than causing a rupture and walking out. Which, let's face it, is the only way this is going to end.
Not sure which thread this should go in. And, well, what?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/25/trump-worried-about-brexit-impact-on-us-jobs
Chewkw - help us out - Trump says Brexit is bad. Is he wrong or right?
He's a wrong'un if that helps...
From the Huff....
Just for fun of course.... 😉
[b]Brexit Briefing: Plucky Brits Take Migration Target Into Their Own Hands[/b]
Brits Are So Keen To Get Net Migration Down They Are Leaving The Country To Help Out.
Pop open the English sparkling wine and celebrate, all you Brexiteers! Net migration is down – officially! We are finally taking back control!
Figures from the Office for National Statistics published today showed that net migration for 2016 was 248,000 – a drop of 84,000 from 2015.
Of that, the number of people coming into the UK was 588,000 - 43,000 fewer than in 2015.
Some 339,000 people left the UK - up from 299,000 in the previous year.
Of those who emigrated, 40% (134,000) were British citizens.
This should make us proud. It is clear that thousands of Leave voters are so determined to help the Prime Minister achieve her net migration target they are fleeing the country to make it happen. That is dedication to the cause.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5925e44ee4b062f96a337daa?
And how many of those leaving are the ones with decent prospects. Sooner May gets the planes and ferries shut down the sooner we can stop the escape attempts. We don't need a wall, look at the moat that God has given us....
We don't need a wall, look at the moat that God has given us....
🙂
Joking aside thats one of the advantages my French relatives say we have