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Not as much use now they've invented boats and planes. 😉
Also only useful if you're being defensive. If your looking outward it becomes a barrier.
Not as much use now they've invented boats and planes.
Indeed. The Med seems to offer no barrier at all. I suppose we'll have to renovate Henry VIII's coastal defences.
If your looking outward it becomes a barrier.
That little stretch of water is no barrier at all compared to the new beuocractic barriers likely in less than 2 years time…
Nice to see the labour supporters now saying a vote for Corbin is like having a second referendum on Europe.....screams of doing anything to get votes
Should political parties be made to tell truths rather than complete bollocks to get a majority
Seems to be the norm
link to your claim please about labour ta.
It seems ,of late, that the accepted way to win elections - trump , brexit etc- is to lie and promise things you know are not true and you have no intention of delivering. Vast swathes of the electorate are too stupid to realise this.
the moat is great if you want to be an isolationist or you want to repel a navy invading you with sailing ships
Little use against terrorism and global warming and the sort of real issues we face today in an global and interconnected world.
the moat is great if you want to be an isolationist or you want to repel a navy invading you with sailing ships
What the moat does is restrict the poorer people getting in while being able to move around yourself.
@igm 🙂 morning. The places we should be forging deeper relationships need a plane to get to.
Those immigration stats where fascinating, would be very interesting to see a real analysis of who left and why. Sadly I don't think we collect the required data or if we do we wouldn't publish. Just like the Referendum we aren't given the detailed information
Not as much use now they've invented boats and planes.
Well if they don't start talking soon there won't be any legal flights to worry about. Walking out is not an option unlike the idiots keep on claiming.
Should political parties be made to tell truths rather than complete bollocks to get a majority
One thing that i think should be introduced from the original athenian model of democracy, trials, politicians at the end of their tenure were tried and in the worst case executed for failure. Might sharpen politicians minds if they understood that they would be bankrupted, be jailed, etc if they lie to the electorate.
The places we should be forging deeper relationships need a plane to get to.
Which is the point, it isn't going to happen, trade is always most with near neighbours because they are near. Being in the EU hasn't hampered Germany, so maybe the issue is our politicians are crap?
i think it was in the guardian , not sure if they're supporters of corbyns party or the others seems 20 April jezza he said not going to happen from 25th of April lots of others running stories similar to the labour might just hold a second with thing
Cynic in me says way to win an election is to leak hints that something could happen but have no intention whatsoever
Almost as good as stable and stable may back peddling every time her office find out somethings not a popular idea and we will lose votes
Is there an election thread here on are I need advice on spoiling my ballot paper
Being in the EU hasn't hampered Germany, so maybe the issue is our politicians are crap?
Don't be silly the whole point of Brexit is blaming the EU rather than any failings at Westminster 😉
Might sharpen politicians minds if they understood that they would be bankrupted, be jailed, etc if they lie to the electorate.
We really should be able to penalise them somehow.
Not as much use now they've invented boats and planes
The places we should be forging deeper relationships need a plane to get to.
Goods tend to travel by boat to and from such places, no?
Are are you still only thinking about the sector you have worked in as regards this whole Brexit business?
Just like the Referendum we aren't given the detailed information
SO you are admitting folk did not know what they were voting for then ?
TBH the lack of facts did not stop leavers making them up so why be so coy now?
Junkyard - lazarusSO you are admitting folk did not know what they were voting for then?
I think I can help here.
I believe that Jamba didn't mean folk did not know what they were voting for, but that we don't have the detailed information of who voted and why.
I think if you read this post:
[b]Those immigration stats where fascinating, would be very interesting to see a real analysis of who left and why. Sadly I don't think we collect the required data or if we do we wouldn't publish. Just like the Referendum we aren't given the detailed information [/b]
that you partially quoted, but this time paying attention to the parts I have highlighted, you may be better equipped to comprehend.
PM if you need further assistance. 🙂
Jamby will indeed appreciate your attempt at delivering an answer that has no basis in fact 😉
Well why they left is easy as regards the Brits leaving.
They thought there was a better life elsewhere. Next.
May (and the UK) looking pretty amateurish.
May et al look like fools. More so every time she speaks.
THM, the former resident of this thread, and I argued over May's competence a while back. It gives me no joy to be shown to be correct.
EU suits Germany as it has an artificially depressed exchange rate making it's exports much more attractive than they would be under a freely floating Deutsch Mark. It has a large trade surplus making tariff free exports very appealing.
Greece making noises about defaulting unless it gets formal debt relief. Groundhog day.
THM, the former resident of this thread, and I argued over May's competence a while back. It gives me no joy to be shown to be correct.
Have to agree, the outcome of the "negotiations"* is going to be bad for the UK, the level of delusion is quite something. I am still wondering how they intend to keep aircraft in the air when they walk away with no deal.
*you can use the word but i really don't see much happening, the UKs hand really isn't that strong!
and just popped up on my twitter feed,
David Davis we have over 100 pages of detail in our brexit documents.....
Wow, over 100 pages.... to cover everything....
May is smashing it lol.
If Brexit is a pinata filled with shit, then yes and it's about to rain down on us all
She's had to ditch strong and Stable because that'd become an epitath rather than a slogan
Now it's 'No Deal Is Better Than A Deal'
Except we know that's just as much of a lie, out of the customs union means car/aerospace etc industry stuffed thanks to supply chains
All those things that Davis keeps hinting we might keep, like EMA EIB, European patent office etc
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And the Torries dismissing Cleggs warning that we could be cut out of schengen info database, because we will definitely get a deal on that one
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Unless this No Deal stuff is just nonsense to keep the Brexit knuckle draggers happy?
David Davis we have over 100 pages of detail in our brexit documents.....
Truly incompetent. 😯
He must have meant that he had 100 pages of detail interspersed with 1000's of pages of red, white and blue paper and a few reams of blank sheets to bulk it out.
So apparently:
'Our economic prosperity will suffer, jobs and livelihoods will be put at risk, and with them the security and peace of mind of working families'
There you have it. It's official. May says Brexit is going to be awful if anyone screws up the negotiations. That wasn't in the Leave campaign's blurb.
There you have it. May says Brexit is going to be awful if anyone screws up the negotiations. That wasn't in the Leave campaign's blurb.
it was a stupid idea a year ago, and its still a stupid idea
all the MPs know it, including May, but are charging on toward the cliff edge anyway 😯
May is electioneering and quite rightly pointing out that the only alternative PM is Corbyn propped up by the SNP which would be a Brexit negotiating disaster.
May is very very popular. Not with the Tory haters here of course but she is very popular with the ex Labour voters who have defected to UKIP and she is popular with those on the left who think Corbyn is incompetent.
We will get the results on June 9th
May is totally smashing it @igm
Oh I agree Jamba, except smashing it might mean something different to me.
She's just not competent.
May is electioneering and quite rightly pointing out that the only alternative PM is Corbyn propped up by the SNP which would be a Brexit negotiating disaster.
Indeed. Relax though. Everythings covered. The big guns are out....
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jambalaya - MemberWe will get the results on June 9th
Very likely. Not a pleasant prospect though to have such important negotiations led by someone who can't even get her own manifesto right.
We have very different views on this igm. She is crushing it, the result on June 8th is going to show the recent polls up for being the propaganda/clickbait they are.
The A Team are good for me binners 🙂
Not a pleasant prospect though to have such important negotiations led by someone who can't even get her own manifesto right.
The social care funding plan was the correct one IMO. Did you see the round of applause she got on Sky last night when saying the problem MUST be confronted ? I don't much care for the manifesto pledge to scrap Levenson 2 and repeal Section 40 but by and large it's the right manifesto. WTO Tariffs are far preferable to any of the nonsense the EU (and Lib Dems) have been spouting. "No deal is better than a bad deal" is the right tag line.
May is totally smashing it @igm
No one can actually think this
She may do enough to win - given where she started from the very least she should have achieved - but she is clearly not smashing it No one can think that not even you.
Jamba - I'm sure she will win in a fortnight, but she is useless.
She blusters, talks tough, puts people's backs up and u-turns.
She seems to deliberately set out to annoy the EU (which plays well with little englanders of course).
She is the last person (perhaps excluding BoJo) you'd want negotiating on your behalf.
The EU will eat her for breakfast.
Simply not competent.
No deal is not an option and people should stop saying it is. Walking away without dealing with Eurotom, common skies etc etc will screw the UK. Trade is one small issue out of many. Being blunt there is no way the UK will be ready in two years. There isn't enough time to cover all the issues, transfer into UK law, etc etc etc.
May is electioneering and quite rightly pointing out that the only alternative PM is Corbyn propped up by the SNP which would be a Brexit negotiating disaster.
However you must realise that the creation of a Brexit deal is entirely at the whim of every single member country of the EU (and even some regions), and so a catastrophic failure is eminently possible even if our govt does everything right.
One of the senior guys from Ryanair was on five live this morning matter-of-factly stating that it wasn't scaremongering to point out that in the event of no deal, then flights between mainland Europe and the UK would cease, and that they were very concerned this could happen
Just one of the many unintended and barely-thought-through things the foolhardy posturing of these little englander ****-wits may deliver us
She is crushing it....
Did you mean "shitting"?
Deleted. Too awful for jokes now.
One of the senior guys from Ryanair was on five live this morning matter-of-factly stating that it wasn't scaremongering to point out that in the event of no deal, then flights between mainland Europe and the UK would cease, and that they were very concerned this could happen
Which is one reason that No deal is not an option, and it would help if the f***ing idiots in the media started to ask questions. There was a perfect opportunity the other day and what was said, or asked!!!!
edit, and if it really does come down to this then i am leaving this country!
The more you look into it, the worse it gets.
The whole concept of a hard Brexit is utter and complete insanity!
With those clowns blustering, and waving flags, from their patheticly weak negotiating position, you can only fear the worst. It's going to be a ****ing car crash!!!
May says Brexit is going to be awful if anyone screws up the negotiations.
Well I can think of 27 people with very good reasons for doing just that.
Get rid of a money laundering center
Reduce competition from a country with social and fiscal dumping
Profit from a share of those International companies that will be in search of new European bases
Get rid of the thorn in the side of European law making
That took as long to think of as it took to type, there will be civil servants all over Europe beavering away on getting their interests served in the Brexit deal, and they aren't going to be working on how to make the deal best for Britain.
edit, and if it really does come down to this then i am leaving this country!
Get out while you still can.
mrmo, presume you're training for swimming the channel then 🙂