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Starting to think Corbyn might actually have a shot at hanging parliament at the very least.
Best remember this is a new for situation for Chairman May, every previous European War we've be involved in we've had European Allies.
You mean the Free Polish and Czechs.
De Gaulle was a closet anglophobe and fascist.
Suez was the impetus to the founding of what became the EU.
I have this excellent article from the Economist bookmarked.
http://www.economist.com/node/7218678
Interesting post Nipper.
We're breaking a deal. Do you think EE will let me walk away from my phone contract if I cancel early?
If you want to use that analogy I will play, we have a contract with 2 years notice which we have given.
Unstable and weak... But thing is, it could well work. Well, not for the country, it's awful for the country, but for the election, it'll bring a lot of people behind her which is obviously all that really counts. And the more of an disastrous adversarial shitfest she makes of brexit, the more people will think "Well we need someone in charge with a proven track record of disastrous adversarial shitfests"
Of course it makes an absolute mockery of "strong and stable", since it's a complete 180 degree turn from her position just 2 days ago, no we're not going to get in a briefing war with europe, no the dinner went splendidly... Wait, no, changed my mind again...
Hands up everyone who thinks "being bloody difficult" is going to be useful in negotiations.
and you still will pay your contract .
@northwind, I see the Tory election gameplan as capturing the UKIP vote without losing the remain leaning Tory vote. I read there are 71 non-Tory seats where the majority was less than the UKIP vote. That'd do it!
@northwind, I see the Tory election gameplan as capturing the UKIP vote without losing the remain leaning Tory vote.
Yes of course it is. Who cares if you bugger up the country by messing up the Brexit negotiations, as long as you win the election, eh?
She is making Corbyn look appealing at the moment - which is quite a talent.
Only to tory hating leftwingers who won't be voting for The Conservatives anyway. My completely unscientific research (chatting to my customers) Have committed brexiters and most tory voters pretty pleased with her. Both those groups will easily see her back at no.10 with a decent majority.
Talk the EU wanting 100 billion euro's is dismissed by saying that gives us all the leverage, because if they don't come up with a fair deal they'll get sweet FA.
Talk the EU wanting 100 billion euro's is dismissed by saying that gives us all the leverage, because if they don't come up with a fair deal they'll get sweet FA.
Uk Oil industry reckon £500bn a year cost of hard Brexit after the WTO tarrifs on oil added, the industry is already on its knees
Still its great ammo for Sturgeon
http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/177238
We will all get sweet FA, those brexies sure are bonkers!
On a serious note, May's accusations are some of the most irresponsible spoken by a PM in a long long time.
I realise the Tories crave power more than most, and that they're bloody good at getting it, but what they've done here is pretty shameful.
EE has nuclear subs? 😯We're breaking a deal. Do you think EE will let me walk away from my phone contract if I cancel early?
A different take on the Brexit Bill which the EU tells us are our obligations for the budget period till 2020.
€100bn / £80bn is £512m a week
So maybe Vote Leave substantially under represented the amount we send to Brussels every week. The EU's figires remember.
ITs starnge its sort of shrewd if you want power but it is worrying in the long run
Essentially she has called the election as she knows how bad Brexit will be and she does not want to face the electorate then
She is now trying her best to make sure that when we do not get what we were never going to get that its perceived as being the Eu fault and when we suffer, and suffer we will , the narrative will still be to blame them despite us voting for this and her saying no deal is better than abd deal and calling the names before the negotiations even start.
It will probably be relatively effective at this election but the real cost is what happens when she delivers hard brexit and WTO after having right royally pissed off our biggest trading partner.
Apparently labour cannot be trusted on the economy and the Tories can...I think we are about to see the truth of that statement tested. The result is not going to be pretty.
I'm just waiting for Mays next election slogan....
[b] She's gonna build a wall. And she's gonna make Brussels pay for it![/b]
She's? the perfect example of the little Englander mentality of Brexit!
We all said they'd start on the them and us bollox soon enough...
Uk Oil industry reckon £500bn a year cost of hard Brexit after the WTO tarrifs on oil added, the industry is already on its knees
500m actually
It will probably be relatively effective at this election but the real cost is what happens when she delivers hard brexit and WTO after having right royally pissed off our biggest trading partner.
I said on the Corbyn thread that calling an early election was an admission that brexit was going to be a failure. Now she's ensuring it in order to win it. I wonder though whether she's overstepped the mark. This sort of naked rabble-rousing and hysterically jingoistic rubbish will not only galvanise remainers to vote tactically, but will also make soft brexiters and liberal tory supporters think twice. Whatever happens this time, Labour next time is a shoe-in.
Sorry drj. Went back to correct myself but 15 mins up, should have posted a retraction !
#kimberfact
I'm just enjoying one last beer before the eurozone implodes. How I'll laugh as I see former BMW workers queueing for food banks in Munich as wealthy Englanders enjoy the Octoberfest.
surely we will busy with all the asylum seekers as they flee the collapsing european union?
Are we sure the "leaks" have come from the EU rather than the Tory press office?
Is anyone actually "lapping this up" as the pro Tories suggest with this talk of a "landslide" or is everyone as critical and horrified by this pantomime as pretty much everyone I speak to?
surely we will busy with all the asylum seekers as they flee the collapsing european union?
They will be assessed efficiently by our new super massive border force funded by part of the £65bn we negotiated as a payment from the EU to repay us for making them awesome for 40 years.
And before Jambalaya tells you that Lepen was great last night, in a TV debate with Macro, she was awful .Attacked him but he was a lot more composed, and actually answering questions properly.
After performing reasonably well in the primary debates le Pen turned into a cackling version of le Pen senior last night. Macron came close to getting drawn into the mire early on but pulled himself together and remained dignified despite violent and inaccurate attacks from Le Pen. I hope it incites the voter blanc/abstention to put a name in the urn on Sunday.
So maybe Vote Leave substantially under represented the amount we send to Brussels every week. The EU's figires remember.
Grasping at straws....
Mash has it again.
Regardless of whether you are a Le Pen or Macron supporter a Macron win will not ease the simmering tide of anti EU tension that is simmering away in France. As was reported on Radio 4 this morning Macron is part of the political elite and will just keep the 'Status Quo'. Resentment will only grow as he achieves nothing during his tenure and just allows the failed EU establishment to continue as is.
Macron is just a sticking plaster for the EU festering wound.
"Political Elite" - does that now just mean having education and political experience?
Why does it not apply to people like Farage and other educated politicians who dislike the EU?
the failed EU establishment
Hasn't failed yet.. seems to be rumbling along as normal.
flanagj falling hook line and sinker for the 'woman of the people' routine
career politician who's the son of a politician [url= http://how-rich.com/4357/how-rich-is-marine-le-pen/ ]and worth an estimated $275m[/url]
all these paupers railing against the 'european elite' - farage, lepen, lawson, rees-mogg etc even trump
makes you think eh?
(or apparently not in then case of frexies, brexies and trumpers)
Whilst the EU has a single interest rate across such different economies the project will never work. 2 choices. Full monetary and fiscal policy across all memeber states or scrap the euro and return back to free trade between the member states where each country can set it's own interest rate accordingly.Hasn't failed yet.. seems to be rumbling along as normal.
Do we have the same interest rate as Sweden?
career politician who's the son of a politician
"Only one of us was born in a castle". Should be in the put downs thread.
Sorry, I don't follow?Do we have the same interest rate as Sweden?
Sweden == Krona
UK == GBP
EU != Euro is the point
Every argument put forward for leaving the EU could be applied to the UK. Why don't the same people suggest breaking up the UK and going back to some old lines on the ground, you know, when William was great! Them were the days!
- The free movement of people around the UK should be stopped. All those Northerners, down south, stealing OUR jobs.
- We should come out of the single currency because the SE props up the rest of UK. The pound was alway a crazy idea and I told them it wouldn't work. Bloody freeloaders.
- UK parliament is undemocratic! I want my county back! I want to decide the law in Yorkshire, not those foreigners in London!
- Finally! Hampshire can negotiate trade deals with the rest of the wrold with out the meddling of the undemocratic UK! It's gunna be great!
etc. etc. There is no argument for leaving the EU which couldn't be applied to the Union. Where does it stop?
Whilst the EU has a single interest rate across such different economies the project will never work.
IT DOESN'T
etc. etc. There is no argument for leaving the EU which couldn't be applied to the Union. Where does it stop?
The only arguments that are logically consistent are nationalist ones. You don't want people in Brussels making our rules, because they are foreigners. They are 'THEM'. Except if you consider yourself European, then they are not 'THEM' any more, they are 'US'.
Scots and Welsh have had 'THEM' making the rules for centuries.
My mistake. The euro, not the EU.IT DOESN'T
Who will the government and press blaim for everything once we have left the EU?
My bets are on
1. English press blaiming Scotland.
2. Wales press blaiming English.
3. Scottish press blaiming English.
4. NI probably depends on nationalist Vs unionist
Who will the government and press blaim for everything once we have left the EU?
The poor and disabled.
There will still be a few foreigners left here for us to blame. The ones we haven't yet managed to drive away with our self-defeating jingoistic policies and atmosphere.
TheBrick - MemberWho will the government and press blaim for everything once we have left the EU?
Still the EU.
The Euro doesn't have the same interest rate, it doesn't have an interst rate because there are no Euro bonds and interest rates are fixed by central banks and private banking institutions.
Germany and Greece, same Euro, now check the interest rates in those two countries. And therein lies one of the problems. The poorest countries pay more for money which makes them poorer. And Germany still refuses Euro bonds.