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@dd I said after the German elections, the "bailouts" have been nothing mire than a delaying excersize. Trumpmis going to have a field day via the US's dominant seat at the IMF
@Edukator Le Pen confirmed a return to the Franc in 2 years, she won't win but she has been clear.
Meanwhile May has had a field day with the FAZ piece, massive Junker own goal. Spectator quotes below but in all the papers [b]#BloodyDifficultWoman[/b]
Later on in an interview with the BBC, May addressed reports in the foreign media of her ‘disastrous’ Brexit dinner with Jean-Claude Juncker, which saw the Prime Minister accused of ‘living in another galaxy’ and lacking a clue when it comes to the Brexit negotiations. Rather than downplay reports of a frosty relationship with the European Commission president, May doubled down – explaining that she was a difficult woman to negotiate with and a proud one at that.
Referencing the term Ken Clarke once used to describe her, May said that Juncker was learning that she was a ‘bloody difficult woman’. The Prime Minister went on to say that she did not ‘recall’ a lot of the account that has been given of the meeting – putting it down to Brussels gossip. But her message was clear. If the negotiations really are going to be this nasty, complicated and hard-going, who do you want at the negotiating table: Theresa May or Jeremy Corbyn?
looks like the UK cares about its territories and is properly investing in them.
If the negotiations really are going to be this nasty, complicated and hard-going, who do you want at the negotiating table:
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thats the ultimate fail right there- the 'logic'of brexies
they dont have to be that hard, May could do something revolutionary and just be honest with the public, rather than cowering before Dacre and Murdoch
sadly shes just Weak & Powerless
Nearly sidestepping your lack of understanding of WTO there again jambalaya.
Has May actually got anything original to say?
She thinks being a "bloody difficult woman" is going to work? I realise this kind of talk gives Brexiteers a raging hard-on, but really, time to grow up.
Clock's ticking jambalaya. You're losing control. You've got amateurs running the show. Time to cry "Mummmmmmyyyyyyy". The EU is bullying us again.
If anyone catches footage of May being booed out of another community centre in Bristol (naturally stuffed with placard carrying Tories, not members of the community), that happened just round the corner from me. She came to the wrong neighbourhood. 😀
Are the FT reporting the divorce bill as rising to £100bn?? 😆
Mummy doesn't seem to have a monopoly on being bloody difficult.
If we are to continue being a major market for European goods, as Brexiters say, then they aren't going to want to damage our economy too much are they?
The mood of the EU seems quite open minded to me, but they clearly cannot move their red lines can they?
#BloodyDifficultWoman 🙂
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its gonna be her shambles at the home office all over again
she could oust cameron as the PM who sunk the UK at this rate!
In the whole WTO will protect our farmers and fishermen.
You really are clueless aren't you Jambalaya.
There's difficult and then there's just plain ignorant.
So simply question....
Who pays the WTO tariffs?
From an EU perspective letting the UK do WTO for a couple of years or a decade should make negotiations for a trade deal much easier.
by then the EU will want to hang on the coattails of SS Britannia and be shoehorned into our trade deals around the world that have swept the nation with bountifulness wealth as the EU is politically divided the Euro has imploded and greece has defaulted only then will thy have finally realised the truth that they need us more than we need them
May will wipe the floor with them them
I look forward to negotiating in 5-10 years if they want to bully us
Jesus the shred of sanity that existed on this thread has gone....
One more go - (outside the EU)
1. What are we going to sell?
2. Who is going to buy it?
No jam jokes, financial services bollocks or mystery technology. It will take 3 generations to re skill this country and no Tory government will pay for it, it's too late poor people the ship has sailed, the EU didn't take your jobs (not jobs its standard of living thats gone)it was the market (supported by all of us) and now automation.
In 1983 i was paid £5 an hour as a time served craftsman at 20 years old - to help with the maths a beer was less than a quid. How many 20 year olds are on £20 an hour currently that's a £40k salary, it's gone and not likley to return. Heading into WTO land will only make it worse not better.
No, it's all going to be perfect, really it is, trust me.
The shred of sanity went when we stopped discussing an independent Yorkshire. All this EU stuff is total speculation, not one of us knows what will happen but we'll use the media information that backs our particular prejudice then spout away as if it's fact. None of us know we are just making all up. It would be good to hear from someone who has actually been involved in EU the framing and writing of EU Directives, perhaps sat in the room with the EU Comissioner responsible for bringing in a new directive. Perhaps they could illuminate the way the democratic EU system works. Anyway back to real world, Free Yorkshire an it better be cheap. The bill for Yorkshire to,leave will be £100bn, I'm sure the City can find the money to get us out.
Making quotes about being a 'bloody difficult woman' doesn't create a reality.
May does not even have the confidence to stand up in public and debate the GE with the other contending leaders.
Or maybe that's what she means about being difficult , she'll run away whenever it gets too tough for her. 😀
It would be good to hear from someone who has actually been involved in EU the framing and writing of EU Directives,
had a good talk from a lawyer who works in Europe on medical research law, as with all law, EU law is constantly evolving to keep pace with (in this case) scientific and medical advances,
because the UK is such a life sciences hub and been the most successful writers of grants & biggest receiver of EU science funds, weve had the biggest impact in shaping EU law in this regard.
With the loss of the EMA, participation in ERASMUS, Horizon 2020, Euratom etc we will be forced to duplicate much of the legal and regulatory framework ourselves, remaining competitive will cost more n time and money.
Mrs May is simply objection handling in advance of the deal, any sales person on here should recognise this positioning approach.
She will -
1. Blame EU for failure of deal
2. Claim that she is responsible for a good deal
Sad very sad
Why go into a negotiation where you are looking for a win win outcome with such an antagonistic stand.
It is really stupid,
She does seem a little weak with all the posturing.
Strong leaders negotiating from a position of strength wouldn't be coming out with all the sound bite nonsense she is.
I may of course be wrong - I often am.
Problem is she is doing it to the electorate not to those she must negotiate withMrs May is simply objection handling in advance of the deal
When the other side claim you are delusional and in a different galaxy then you have overplayed this somewhat
As noted above her strategy seems to be demand the impossible, anatagonise the negotiators and then say she will be just as difficult in the negotiations
I am not seeing it as the best move when its you v 27 . Bridges need to be built, common ground sought, mutual respect dealt and consensus to get an agreement
Does anyone see this in May - she wont face the electorate whilst campaigning only Tories and she is scared to debate Corbyn. Given she is not displaying much faith in her abilities why should we?
She is a weak leader Junkyard. Once that is accepted everything else makes sense.
No, it's all going to be perfect, really it is, trust me.
Just how strong is the french farming lobby?
Your a French farmer, why would you even consider a transition deal that helps a British farmer? Any transition deal is reliant on goodwill from the EU which means European electorates and there concerns matter.
12% WTO tarrif on wheat + loss of subsidies, cant see any farmer being able to export much wheat!
where did we get on lamb 😉
Yanis on 5 live. He's clearly got an axe to grind, but is making a few interesting comments on how the negotiations may go, or not go.
EU Draft Negotiating Mandate - just published.
[url= https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/annex-recommendation-uk-eu-negotiations_3-may-2017_en.pdf ]https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/annex-recommendation-uk-eu-negotiations_3-may-2017_en.pdf[/url]
Now [i]that's[/i] a mandate! Anybody got a link to the Government's mandate? No?
Ever feel the grown ups are on the eu side?
We have our own grown ups, but they're increasingly sidelined.
Interesting to see the EU has prepared a nice document setting out objectives, I thought the Brexiters were in charge so i really don't know why the EU have the cheek to think that they can set the agenda....
And we all know the eu doc is a typical tyrinical bully technique used to try and intimidate the UK into accepting defeat. Dont they know we have trident
edit: wrong thread, haha
Rumour has it at [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39789903 ]BBC[/url] that EU bureaucrats are demanding £84 billion ransom from UK for wanting out from their club.
For that money UK could easily buy 3 Nimitz-Class aircraft carriers costing US$4.5 billion to $6.2 billion each, to make up 3 powerful fleets (including other ships, plane, subs etc) ... just in case we have to defend against EU bureaucratic invasion. The we all become sailors ...
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Read the eu exit doc, it's. Really informative for the trolls
mikewsmith - Member
Read the eu exit doc, it's. Really informative for the trolls
In an "unlikely" scenario ... What if UK does not want to pay instead join forces with USA & Russia and become very friendly with China ... and also India & Commonwealth nations again ... what can EU bureaucrats do? 😆
Or use the £84 billion to dismantle EU bureaucratic system. 😛
Or invest £84 billion into the head of nations i.e. we can create 84 nations that support us ... 84 billionaires. 😈
£84 billion ransom
It's not ransom. But idiot leavers will call it that. They don't seem able to make a good argument so are resorting to hysteria.
It's funny laughing at the leavers though, with their panicky attempts to talk tough.
#strongly stable
@molgrips I read the Law Lords report, suggest you do the same.
Happy 65th Malcolm 🙂
https://mobile.twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/859704369188614144/video/1
A ranty Brexit voting OAP, well I never !!
Deluded...
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154515365681200&id=371509533894&fs=1
@Chewk, the Indians asked for more student visa's in return for a deal, May said no. Infact the EU negotiations have long been stalled because the UK wouldn't budge on that.
Of course it is a ransom, no surprise there coz everyone knows that's what EU bureaucrats want to cover themselves for their retirements. 😆molgrips - Member
£84 billion ransom
It's not ransom. But idiot leavers will call it that. They don't seem able to make a good argument so are resorting to hysteria.
If only the EU bureaucrats know how to beg or learn to beg for the left over they might at least get something out of the transition. They need to be polite and humble to beg UK for the money. 😆igm - Member
It's funny laughing at the leavers though, with their panicky attempts to talk tough.#strongly stable
Ya, don't get too excited over that coz that's a non-issue, £1 Billion will sort everything out easily ... Guarantee. Anyone says otherwise is lying ... 😛mrmo - Member
@Chewk, the Indians asked for more student visa's in return for a deal, May said no. Infact the EU negotiations have long been stalled because the UK wouldn't budge on that.
Chewk is a great believer in the BREXIT BURAEUCRACY as we are directed to recreate all the bodies we are leaving
Of course it is a ransom, no surprise there coz everyone knows that's what EU bureaucrats want to cover themselves for their retirements.
We're breaking a deal. Do you think EE will let me walk away from my phone contract if I cancel early?
Of course it is a ransom
So if we refuse to pay then will they keep us in the EU against our will?
They need to be polite and humble to beg UK for the money.
But I thought they had kidnapped us? Why would they beg hostages for ransom money?