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richmtb - Member69 pages and no one has stated the obvious
If you are voting on the same side as Ian Duncan Smith and Chewkw then you are almost certainly wrong.
Fair amount of bumholes amongst the Remainians as well to be honest.
sbob - Member
The EU is a socialist project
How so?
do you really disagree?
Socialists do
[i] richmtb - Member
69 pages[/i]
Yeap! It might appear that only this forum is capable of such awesomeness 😉
I'm not convinced any points have been scored on the economic argument. Remain promising economic disaster as a result of leaving is laughable and easy to see it for what it is. [b]Scaremongering[/b].
No remainista can know what they'd be voting for.
At least leave voters know what they want.
On the morning of the 24th June, the world will still be turning while the UK and the EU plan the UK's amicable departure, in a few years time. During which there won't be economic collapse for the UK.
Remainsters, clinging to an old and broken paradigm.
What next from remain. Space Aliens attack UK and destroy all 26" wheeled MTBs?
Time to move on. Deep breath, best foot forward.
[i]No remainista can know what they'd be voting for.
At least leave voters know what they want.
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Eh? Don't you mean:
No leaveista can know what they'd be voting for.
At least remain voters know what they want.
some dicks on both side for sure
id say that the brexiters have the win though...
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Where is the vote leave investigation into this I wonder?
b r.
No one knows what stupidity is being cooked up in Brussels, right now.
So voting to stay is a massive gamble.
Voting to leave is voting to be able to determine our own way in the world.
Voting to leave is voting to be able to determine our own way in the world.
Of course it is - and there are pots of gold at the end of the rainbow too.
No one knows what stupidity is being cooked up in Brussels, right now.
So voting to stay is a massive gamble.
So remember the veto, voting, elected mep's and all that. I guess post exit there may be dragons or vikings or maybe immigrants!
Solo - Member
b r.No one knows what stupidity is being cooked up in Brussels, right now.
So voting to stay is a massive gamble.
or you could just ask your MEP whats going on, it being a democracy and all
Dragons possibly but no nasty immigrants - uurrgghh - British Jobs for British Workers....
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Remainsters in spiteful baseless smearing posts. Shocker!
Another reading the thread Fail.
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Btw. Luv the suggestion to ask a politician a question in the hope of hearing a truthful answer.
Thats a doozey!
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Solo - Member
No one knows what stupidity is being cooked up in Brussels, right now.
So voting to stay is a massive gamble
Stop scaremongering. Sorry, [b]Scaremongering[/b].
So remember the veto
Do you really think the UK will veto Turkey joining if France and Germany lead a campaign for them to join ?
So @globalti posted the offer US owners of VW's are getting, looks pretty fair given how they cheated. In Europe people have heard nothing except a token ketter saying they own an affected vehicle. Disgrace and an example of how vested interests drive the EU.
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-vw-is-offering-diesel-owners-in-the-usa#post-7727362 ]VW's offer - if you are in the US that is[/url]
Stop scaremongering. Sorry, Scaremongering.
Thats a bit ironic considering the ridiculous one sided scenarios foisted on us by the Government and IMF. Did you see how the IMF and EU have kicked into the long grass the €300bn Greek fiasco - an even bigger problem for another day it seems. Or how the Turks are saying "no visa-free travel, no migrants deal" ... plus by the way "no conditions"
Remainsters in spiteful baseless smearing posts. Shocker!
No just keeping in the spirit of the original point - the idea that voting to leave is voting to determine our way in the world is in itself baseless and is akin to a fairy tale - hence the relevance of the rainbow analogy
The simplistic notion of sovereignty plied by the OUTers is merely insulting those with the capacity for independent thought.
So Jambas, post Exit we would still be a member and funder of the IMF. Are you happy about that?
[I guess given that the IMF is effectively managing a debt swap, you are?]
[i] teamhurtmore - Member
No just keeping in the spirit of the original point - the idea that voting to leave is voting to determine our way in the world is in itself baseless and is akin to a fairy tale - hence the relevance of the rainbow analogyThe simplistic notion of sovereignty plied by the OUTers is merely insulting those with the capacity for independent thought[/i]
Oh dear. More nastiness.
I suspect your definition of "determine" may = "dictate"
Which is not my definition.
Carry on!
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jambalaya - MemberThats a bit ironic considering the ridiculous one sided scenarios foisted on us by the Government and IMF.
Stop being so myopic. Farage's 'rivers of blood moment, Boris and TTIP, the spectre of Turkey's membership (all but guaranteed according to you!). Both sides playing project fear, just wait for the immigration rhetoric from leave.
retro83 - MemberFair amount of bumholes amongst the Remainians as well to be honest.
Tbh, with the country split more or less 50/50 it'd be weird if there weren't bumholes on both sides. It might well be mathematically impossible for all the bellends to fit into one side.
Btw. Luv the suggestion to ask a politician a question in the hope of hearing a truthful answer.
Thats a doozey!
So how can we trust what the Brexit politicians are saying
Oh and ......Luv? Is that many to be offensive, patronising, make you feel like more of a man ?
Solo
Which is not my definition
Funny how you went for the semantics rather than trying to argue his point. What's your definition of baseless, BTW?
Lifer - MemberHow so?
My apologies, that was the beer talking.
I think what I meant to say was ever increasing state control, rather than the absolute of state ownership.
So Jambas, can you help me out?
In the past Gove and IDS have praised they IFS for their "fairness and independence." Today they concluded that the Brexit figures were "absurd" leading to Redwood contradicting his colleagues and claiming that they were just part of the "cosy enstablishment".
Which version are you meant to use when marketing the Brexit case - fair and independent or part of a cost establishment?
Solo - ok it was a bit cheeky/rude, apologies. I think that you may find that our ability to determine our own way will be considerably less that you appear to believe. I could be wrong, but evidence from how states interact with each other does suggest otherwise.
Blimey, are we still doing this? I thought the latest polls showed that the wheels had come of the leave campaign and common sense had prevailed.
Wait for R2 - its all about IMMIGRATION and those nasty foreigners....
Bojo has shot his bolt, and they want Nigel to front it. No really, you couldn't make it up.
A bloke who has screwed his own leadership up in situ and another who has done the same before he got there. That's leadership for you!!
Which version are you meant to use when marketing the Brexit case - fair and independent or part of a cost establishment?
Agree with us = see i told you
Disagree with us = lies/pro EU bias due to payments and establishment fear
Essentially either version of facts will support their view
As I have said if they just admitted it would be bad we could avoid all the GO fuelled hysteria and have an actual debate. It will be poor short term EVERYONE knows this but its not the ONLY issue that matters.
Lies, Damn lies and Brexit lies basically
With GO spinning like an Alex Salmond on speed *
* disclaimer i am not suggesting either he or george - his tastes will be more expensive if he ever were to dabble- do drugs honest.
:lol:Northwind " It might well be mathematically impossible for all the bellends to fit into one side. " Are you suggesting that one sides bellends might fit well with the other sides "bumholes" 😳 😆
Looks the pot is calling the kettle black ... 😛
Fear ...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36379934
In - for very selfish reasons like: The European Regional Development Fund will provide a total of £4,978,020 to create a purpose-built mountain bike centre at Gethin, Merthyr Tydfil, improve and extend the trails at Brechfa, Cwmcarn and Afan Forest Park, and build beginner and skills areas.
I can't believe you lot are still banging your drums about this referendum. Everyone knows which side of the fence they are on and how they will vote, so why waste all this time arguing the toss and trying to prove your corner.
Disconnect and go grab a beer.
Everyone knows which side of the fence they are on and how they will vote, so why waste all this time
People still pop up as undecided or swaying, in what must just be a statistical anomaly the looks like most going from leave to remain as the fear/scare campaign turns it up to 11 and move straight on to immigration.
The more ridiculous the statements that come out the more they should be challenged and held to account.
I don't expect to convince Chewkw or Jamby to remain but others might be interested.
On the BBC telly this morning - interviewing Brits on the beach in Spain.
A British Woman with a Spanish holiday home who will be voting to leave.
BBC: "What is your main concern?"
ABW: "Immigration".
BBC: "If you moved to Spain permanently, would it still be a concern?"
ABW: (Thinks) "Yes". (Insert facepalm here)
Good list of some of the bigger lies being peddled by the Brexiters here
In the 70's the EU was called the EEC (European Economic Community) and was touted as an organisation that would free up trade and commerce between its members. Essentially it was anti-bureaucracy and became referred to as The Common Market. A good idea I think.
But how it's changed. It now has powers to govern it's members and ideas of becoming a superstate with a superstate army despite being undemocratically in power. It just baffles me how the left love it so much. It seems like some kind of Stockholm syndrome. No in fact I think that the left, bereft of any original thought, automatically line up in opposition to what it considers the extreme right as a default stance. People on here have even said just vote the opposite of IDS, Borris etc. Genius.
Mr Whoppit that shows a lack of insight on behalf of the interviewer. Why would a Brit living in Spain not be worried about their homeland, their country of birth ? I care very much about the UK but I may not chose to live here full time.
Sarkozy said something interesting on TV the other day, whilst sat in front of a EU flag he said when he was abroad for example in the US he felt "European". What a dreadful state of affiars when a senior politician ignores his nationality.
Immigration figures out today show a new record influx, these are the official figures of course and don't reflect those here under the radar. Our services and infrastructure can't cope, our housing provison can't cope as the pro immigration open Europe spokesperson says we need a rethink. What he is really saying is that the hidden cost of immigration is exactly that, hidden. If people understood their taxes will have to go up to provide these services they'd rightly complain.
I think you've missed the point about the woman in Spain, Jamby. It's the irony and hypocrisy of an EU immigrant being worried about EU immigration.
A bit like a British bloke living in Paris and moaning a about EU sourced immigration.
Mr Whoppit that shows a lack of insight on behalf of the interviewer.
Yeah it's the interviewer that's lacking insight. 😆
Honestly, try reading back some of the stuff you post as if it was written by someone else. 90% of what you say is utterly ridiculous/just plain made up.
'The hidden cost of immigration' - it's not 'hidden', you've just invented it. All the stats show a net contribution from migrants, certainly those from within the EU.
Our services and infrastructure can't cope because you and your greedy money-laundering mates don't pay their taxes, and our public services are being deliberately dismantled by your party so they can be sold off to their friends.
It's a lot easier to blame Johnny Foreigner for everything though isn't it?
So Jambas, can you help me out?
Politicians being politicians. Plenty on both sides of the argument who have a long history of arguing the opposite side.
@flangi it's the most important decision I will make in my lifetime, I'm 53 and didn't get to vote in '75 amd we won't be given another say before I depart.
@bazz other polls show its vitually neck and neck, the only poll that counts is in June 23
@joe thats the EU just giving us our own money back, less their big haircut of course
That's the thing about moving abroad, it can make you patriotic and pining for the shores of dear old britannia or you can open up and visualise a far larger picture.
From the expat community around these parts, there are two distinct groups : those who are integrated and those who have never let go of their cultural baggage. I'll let you guess which group is 'in' and which is 'out'.
@grum I am quoting directly from a pro-EU open borders spokesperson on Sky, he was the one saying we need to increase spending on those things. As for the standard lefty nonsense of "rich" don't pay their taxes, 13 years of Labour made that worse not better (especially in property it took the Tories to fix their loopholes) and the top 1% pay 29% of the taxes, its the rich who are paying the bills. Plus the EU itself is a massive tax scam supporting organisation as I have posted numerous times. The EU facilitates tax avoidance via cushy deals and cross border transfer pricing
Mr Woppit - Member
On the BBC telly this morning - interviewing Brits on the beach in Spain.A British Woman with a Spanish holiday home who will be voting to leave.
BBC: "What is your main concern?"
ABW: "Immigration".
BBC: "If you moved to Spain permanently, would it still be a concern?"
ABW: (Thinks) "Yes". (Insert facepalm here)
I honestly think moving to some expat community in Spain is the ultimate idea of hell on earth.
Unsurprising to see IDS lying about BoE analysis of impact of migration on wages this morning on TV. But here's the start of blame the foreigners.
Sorry jambas but your answer hasn't helped
Which version are you meant to use when marketing the Brexit case - fair and independent or part of a cost establishment?
What are you meant to say - IFS is fair and independent or part of the establishment? Simple question.
Now what is Bojo going to do now? We all know that he was pro Turkish entry in the EU. So will he flip-flop now and become anti-Turk? Given his Turkish ancestry he is probably in a bit of a pickle.
Even if we also believe the lie about taking back control (no really), the OUTers have so far trashed
The BoE
The Treasury
The Cabinet Office
The PM
The Government - "crooks and charlatans"
Parliament - "no longer trusted to speak for the people"
So in the unlikely event of an exit who is going to be appointed to take control? All very odd...
The EU facilitates tax avoidance via cushy deals and cross border transfer pricing
Are you sure - Junker anecdotes aside? Countries set tax rates and cross-border transfer pricing is facilitated by the absence of common tax policies and national autonomy not the other way round. On the google/amazon/starbucks threads you have argued for a common global/regional solution. Now you appear to be suggesting that this is part of the problem. All very odd...
Remember the Scottish Referendum - with independence, the Deceitful One was promising to compete versus rUK on corporate tax rates - 300bp if I recall correctly. How does that fit the EU facilitates tax avoidance narrative?
Plus the EU itself is a massive tax scam supporting organisation as I have posted numerous times. The EU facilitates tax avoidance via cushy deals and cross border transfer pricing
Do you honestly believe that a UK government outside the EU, run by someone like Boris Johnson - would be better at dealing with tax avoidance/evasion than we are currently? Honestly?
As for the standard lefty nonsense of "rich" don't pay their taxes, 13 years of Labour made that worse not better (especially in property it took the Tories to fix their loopholes) and the top 1% pay 29% of the taxes, its the rich who are paying the bills.
This is such a ridiculous argument 'well we pay some tax so it's ok for us to fiddle the rest of it'.
'Well some of my benefits are legitimate so it's ok for me to fiddle the rest of them'.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/62461/benefit-fraud-v-tax-evasion-which-costs-more
I am quoting directly from a pro-EU open borders spokesperson on Sky
That's funny because I don't see a direct quote anywhere in your post. 🙄
thebee
But how it's changed. It now has powers to govern it's members and ideas of becoming a superstate with a superstate army despite being undemocratically in power. [b]It just baffles me how the left love it so much.[/b]
It baffles me that people keep repeating this, the left is just as divided as the right on the issue of the EU.
It seems like some kind of Stockholm syndrome. No in fact I think that the left, bereft of any original thought,
Oh teh ironing
automatically line up in opposition to what it considers the extreme right as a default stance. People on here have even said just vote the opposite of IDS, Borris etc. Genius.
If they've not been swayed by any other arguments, that's as good as any reason.