[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

In fact, as it's a possibility that an 'out' vote could force Cameron to resign and a potential for Boris to become the PM without an election (oh teh more ironing) voting 'remain' to stop that is perfectly valid.

On the BBC telly this morning - interviewing Brits on the beach in Spain.

A British Woman with a Spanish holiday home who will be voting to leave.

BBC: "What is your main concern?"

ABW: "Immigration".

BBC: "If you moved to Spain permanently, would it still be a concern?"

ABW: (Thinks) "Yes". (Insert facepalm here)

Indeed. I saw someone else ranting the other day about how they wanted to 'Take Back Control' of 'our' laws from an unaccountable Brussells. In the next sentence they held up as the ideal model, the very vision of democratic accountability....

The House of Lords

You really couldn't make it up

People on here have even said just vote the opposite of IDS, Borris etc. Genius.

I'm pretty sure that isn't the real reason.

A bit like a British bloke living in Paris and moaning a about EU sourced immigration.

Or with a second home in Paris complaining about the EU causing homelessness in Paris.

A nice summary of the quality of 'The Debate' , such as it is, by [url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/26/defeat-bigotry-engage-young-people-eu-zac-goldsmith ]Owen Jones[/url]

[i]Two groups of old men shouting at each other”: that’s the verdict of nearly half of young people on the EU referendum, according to YouGov. It is as sophisticated a summary as any I can conjure up.

For those who believe in a society that isn’t rigged in favour of a shamelessly self-enriching elite, the official EU referendum debate is a bleak political wasteland. On the one hand, a faction that believes in cuts, privatisation and policies that favour the wealthiest; on the other, a faction that believes in cuts, privatisation and policies that favour the wealthiest, with added xenophobia and dogwhistle racism.[/i]

the level of EU net migration is absolutely crazy - 727 people every working day. We've got 100,000+ children living in temporary accommodation, can't build housing quickly enough and yet need to build a city the size of Newcastle every year just to stand still.

Most people probably won't have seen this week's "how to get a council house" which featured a chap from Romania who came here, couldn't get work and signed on, and then with his Job Seekers Allowance claim registered proceeded to bring his whole family over a few weeks knowledge who were then housed the next day in a 4 bedroom house by Hounslow Council who had no choice but to do otherwise. The head of housing for Hounslow said at the end of the programme words to the effect of this pattern is already a significant problem and growing rapidly - yet we have no way of controlling it irrespective of the cost to the public.

Having a system where anyone can come here with their families and receive housing automatically is nuts and just means that the many people who are already here and don't have children just slip further and further down the waiting list - at a significant cost to people with mental health problems or social care needs.

featured a chap from Romania who came here, couldn't get work and signed on, and then with his Job Seekers Allowance claim registered proceeded to bring his whole family over a few weeks knowledge who were then housed the next day in a 4 bedroom house by Hounslow Council who had no choice but to do otherwise.

As a response, and in line with the Editor of "New Scientist" in his explanation of it's philosophy, I "feel" like a British European and if you don't like it, you can **** off. 8)

robdixon - Member
can't build housing quickly enough

*aren't building

I'm sure we could if the will was there, but what affect would that many houses have on house prices?

Binners - you missed the adjective "comic" for the summary 😉 otherwise, as you were.....

[b]British Commonwealth citizens [/b]who are living or studying in UK that want to vote remain will be very silly if they want to work here.

This is because if they vote remain they will, now, have to compete with entire EU to get a job here.

In the past they only have to compete with lesser EU people but now they have to compete with everyone in the West.

I remember a commonwealth citizen from the Caribbean that told me unless no EU citizen can do the job she has no chance of getting a job here. Luckily she is a scientist doing a research.

Wait until Turkey joins which they will ... Nope, you Cannot control them.

Most people probably won't have seen this week's "how to get a council house"

Nope I don't watch sensationalist tabloid shite that's designed to stir up hatred.

Owen Jones - a twerp who thinks that being young gives you more insight into the issues at hand. Most of them will swing right with age, except those who don't have the capacity.

Really? I find the opposite. I've found I've got progressively more left wing as I get older. Mainly on account of most of the right wingers I meet being utter *s. And the older they are, the *ier they are

binners - Member
Really? I find the opposite. I've found I've got progressively more left wing as I get older.

Two possibilities or reasons:

1. You are doing much better than others hence you do not see others pain.
2. You are losing touch with the reality.

Mainly on account of most of the right wingers I meet being utter *s. And the older they are, the *ier they are

Same two possibilities:

1. They do not see progress in their lives.
2. They now have to compete even harder to survive even at old age.

Then finally ... you blame people themselves for not making life better for themselves and they blame you for moving the goal post.

thebees - Member
Owen Jones - a twerp who thinks that being young gives you more insight into the issues at hand. Most of them will swing right with age, except those who don't have the capacity.

Dunning-Kruger in action

robdixon - Member
the level of EU net migration is absolutely crazy - 727 people every working day. We've got 100,000+ children living in temporary accommodation, can't build housing quickly enough and yet need to build a city the size of Newcastle every year just to stand still.

Most people probably won't have seen this week's "how to get a council house" which featured a chap from Romania who came here, couldn't get work and signed on, and then with his Job Seekers Allowance claim registered proceeded to bring his whole family over a few weeks knowledge who were then housed the next day in a 4 bedroom house by Hounslow Council who had no choice but to do otherwise. The head of housing for Hounslow said at the end of the programme words to the effect of this pattern is already a significant problem and growing rapidly - yet we have no way of controlling it irrespective of the cost to the public.

Having a system where anyone can come here with their families and receive housing automatically is nuts and just means that the many people who are already here and don't have children just slip further and further down the waiting list - at a significant cost to people with mental health problems or social care needs.

You'd think the solution to this problem may be better served in helping other countries come up to our standards. I personally think that is a goal that is much better served via European integration, rather than separation.

jambalaya - Member
Erdogan's obviously not got the Downing Street memo as he just described Turkey as a candidate country

He was confused by your team's posters claiming that Turkey (population 75m) is entering the EU.

is the reference to the total population a guide to how many will be at Dover A&E on Monday morning?

Is that representative?
Whats the net migration figure?

According to the Head of Housing for the Council, yes it is representative. 184,000 / yr is the net migration figure for EU nationals and 333,000 in total.

@Drac Paris is my wife's home, she owned it before we where married. The majority of her family are there.

@tmh, I don't think Erdogan is confused at all. He's busy running circles around the dysfunctional EU.

You'd think the solution to this problem may be better served in [b]helping[/b] other countries come up to our standards

jambalaya - Member
You'd think the solution to this problem may be better served in helping other countries come up to our standards

There are other better ways of helping them. A trade agreement and controlled immigration via quotas would work and be much better for us.

I really don't get this concept of us and them with a European context. Even as I supported Scottish independence, it was never a case of us and them, I always viewed it within the concept of us all being citizens of Europe.

A Jr Doc colleague just came back from visiting his gran in Turkey
Despite the scare stories from the Brexit camp about how evil Turk immigrants will come here and spoil our lovely country
He said that many Turks dont want to join the EU, their country is doing very well without us, while they lament Erdogan's right wing bullishness and powergrabbing they are quite happy.
He said there are huge infrastructure projects doing a very good job of improving lives of ordianary Turks and their economy is growing much better than ours.

Still now that all the economic & security arguments have been lost and every other country on the planet apart from [b][url= http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ba26f1ac-20fa-11e6-9d4d-c11776a5124d.html#axzz49m4XZjR ]Russia[/url][/b] has advised us to stay in the EU itll have to be 'blame the immigrant scare tactics time'

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@tmh, I don't think Erdogan is confused at all. He's busy running circles around the dysfunctional EU.

I was talking about Erdogan. Its your team I am worried about. They are claiming that "Turkey (pop 75m) is in the EU". They are so certain of this that they put it on large posters!

How and why can they get such basic facts wrong? Is it a joke or are your team the joke, its hard to tell?

Sorry, meant to say I wasn't talking about Erdogan !!

Help them by doing everything that benefits us?

BBC1 debate now

Alex Salmond "I believe what the Bank of England said....." 😉

Followed but Liam Fox misquoting the Bank of England stats on impact of immigration 😯 then lying about the cost of membership. Quoting the wrong figure and then pretending that the gross figure is actually a real cash outflow when we all know that it isn't. Brexit BS bingo in full force

I know I said I'd stop reading this, but I am starting to think 'mikewsmith' and 'teamhurtmore' are Cameron and Gideon in disguise.

Of all the the 'out vote'' posts made I cannot cite a single example where either of them have agreed with a single comment made.

Well a start is always a good thing 😉

Edit for edit: so I wonder why that is?

kimbers - Member
A Jr Doc colleague just came back from visiting his gran in Turkey
Despite the scare stories from the Brexit camp about how evil Turk immigrants will come here and spoil our lovely country
He said that many Turks dont want to join the EU, their country is doing very well without us, while they lament Erdogan's right wing bullishness and powergrabbing they are quite happy.
He said there are huge infrastructure projects doing a very good job of improving lives of ordianary Turks and their economy is growing much better than ours.

Really? You are not an immigrant aren't you ... 😆

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard for a while. So funny!

Your friend is a Jr Doc so s/he can go practically anyway in the world if s/he wishes. Perhaps his/her circle of friends are all well to do so no problem staying but the ones that struggling will come to move around that's definite.

Many immigrants from non-EU know that the things they MUST Not say are ...

The 1st rule of immigration - Here to work.
The 2nd rule of immigration - Have a return ticket.
The 3rd rule of immigration - Always say you are a tourist with enough money.
The 4th rule of immigration - Always say you want to go home after the visit.
The 5th rule of immigration - Look innocence.

All the immigrants from S.Merica, Africa, Asia and to the Far East know the above rules ... 😆

Just watching the debate just now, the no audience is blinking awesome! 😆

David Davis just wiped the floor off those remain in Question Time ... 😆

I know I said I'd stop reading this, but I am starting to think 'mikewsmith' and 'teamhurtmore' are Cameron and Gideon in disguise.

Brian Blessed on This Week ROFL

@ctk thanks, looking firward to iPlayer catch up.

I see Alex is banging on about another Independece referendum, 2 years campaiging for the last one clearly wasn't long enough to get his arguments accross.

This made me laugh especially the forecasting technique 🙂

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Jambas - coming back to Turkey, I am still confused 😉

What is the story?

I see Alex is banging on about another Independece referendum, 2 years campaiging for the last one clearly wasn't long enough to get his arguments accross.

I assume this means you/UKIP will be silent if you lose and so convincingly as well?

I think a Brexit vote is a material change and worthy of another vote personally. I assume you think this if say Turkey join or we enter the Euro or give away more "freedoms"
When things change its ok to let the people vote.
Do we always have to try and score cheap political points as i think you actually agree with his point if not him and his issue?

chewkw - Member
David Davis just wiped the floor off those remain in Question Time ...

How so?

jambalaya - Member
@ctk thanks, looking firward to iPlayer catch up.

I see Alex is banging on about another Independece referendum, 2 years campaiging for the last one clearly wasn't long enough to get his arguments accross.

@seaso - we don't know how the vote is going to go till June 24 and SNP had 2 years to argue that scenario. IMO an independent Scotland with UK out of the EU makes even less sense than it did before.

It was a [b]once in a lifetime [/b] Referendum as is this one.

jambalaya - Member
It was a once in a lifetime Referendum as is this one.

jambalaya - Member
@seaso - we don't know how the vote is going to go till June 24 and SNP had 2 years to argue that scenario. IMO an independent Scotland with UK out of the EU makes even less sense than it did before.

Being out of the EU makes no sense.

we don't know for sure, no. But the polls are indicating such. Personally i think it'll be a UK in vote anyhow, I don't think the English are daft.

chewkw - Member
David Davis just wiped the floor off those remain in Question Time ...
How so?

By smiling when caught out telling the usual porkies bu both Lucas and Dimbleby??

Unlike more antagonistic MPs he has a knack of using an engaging smile to distract from the fact that he has been caught with his pants down.

Love the response to the added 2 years of austerity question where he contradicted himself

Why was Steve Hilton still in his cycling kit?

IMO an independent Scotland with UK out of the EU makes even less sense than it did before.

Its a pretty good warning to others - dont leave the EU your country might break up.

I assume you wish to call this fear and bullying though as its facts you wont like.

Well after watching QT myself....I found myself coming down firmly on the side of the Brexiters.

I do wonder what will happen here if 333k people come here every year. Currently I am fortunate that they are more of a help than a hindrance, but how long will that continue at that rate?

[i]Its a pretty good warning to others - dont leave the EU your country might break up. [/i]

I don't think the majority of the English have any concerns about that!

Am getting a little bored with all the impending doom stuff now, am not sure I can stand this b.ll.cks for another month.

It seems that if we leave EU I'll have a worse pension according to a Gov minister on R4 this morning. It's all get a bit Scottish Independence campaign.
I wonder if the week before the vote Junckers will be telling everyone we need to love the UK in case they vote out?