pedantic point if you're going to use Éire please spell it right
Éire not eire, eire means encumbrance i think, my gaeilge isn't great but i am aware of a few bits.
mrmo - you can keep your funny little accent things above letters, furrin muck! 😉
[quote=jambalaya ] I'd much rather buy British, we need much more of that attitude.
"that attitude" is the same attitude from those who spend 2 weeks in Benidorm each summer, venturing nowhere else but the Prince Edward pub, watching Only Fools and Horses repeats and eating gammon steak and chips because they "don't want to eat any of that foreign muck"
Little Britain 🙁
If wishes were horses Jamba
How long did that trade treaty take to negotiate?
Why on earth will the UK leaving the EU lead to higher car prices in the EU?
Edit - I guess yo mean EU made cars in the UK will go up in price.
mrmo - you can keep your funny little accent things above letters, furrin muck!
Shouldn't we discussing this in Welsh or Gaelic, English is nothing more than an immigrant language half the words are French!, then throw in Danish, German etc not much left
jambalaya » I'd much rather buy British, we need much more of that attitude.
and that is what gave us the Allegro! Market forces, buy the best for the job not just because. IF it is s then it is s.
and that is what gave us the Allegro! Market forces, buy the best for the job not just because. IF it is s then it is s
indeed stay loyal to the motherland, one day we can all have one of these
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A trade deal between the UK and European Union is unlikely to be negotiated within two years, alongside Brexit negotiations, a German official has said, while sounding cautiously optimistic over the issue of citizens’ rights.
us £10bn of extra revenues via WTO.
we're not members of the WTO.
WTO +1
Please see comment previously how it ACTUALLY works.
Nipper it's trivial for us to reactivate our seat at the WTO
TJ EU dragged it's heals over negotiating with Canada as there was no real incentive, they had nothing to lose. As I said I am good to go with hard Brexit and focus on deals with US/Canada and Japan. The Japanese make a lot of cars in the US (my Honda came from Ohio) so tariff free cars from US and Japan would be great, take advantage of Japan's massive lead in electric/hybrid vehicles. They are the future. Maybe leverage McClaren's electric expertise (source of Apple takeover story a few months ago).
Also just so we are clear I have no interest in a "single market" deal which allows Apple, Starbucks, Google, Facebook etc to trade across border and keep their tax affairs in Ireland / Luxembourg etc. Ditto the German bike sites. Hopefully withdrawing from the customs union will kick those further into touch too.
Also just so we are clear I have no interest in a "single market" deal which allows Apple, Starbucks, Google, Facebook etc to trade across border and keep their tax affairs in Ireland / Luxembourg etc
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2923_en.htm
The US under Trump is not going to do easy deals, Japanese have already said they want access to EU markets for their businesses implanted in the UK. India wants more visas.
Not the best start so far.
Nipper it's trivial for us to reactivate our seat at the WTO
but entirely dependent on the deal we get with the EU first, thats not so trivial
Another reason to prioritise WTO Kimbers, make EU secondary. What's the trade balance 65/35 or 60/40 ... rest of the world is more important
The Brexies are really all a little bit Walter Mitty with regard to trade and the economy aren't they?
The US under Trump is not going to do easy deals, Japanese have already said they want access to EU markets for their businesses implanted in the UK. India wants more visas.Not the best start so far.
Trump very happy to do deals between countries of similar economic standing, he said so. Those are much easier to do than between countries of significantly different wealth (eg US / Mexico is the issue with NAFTA not US / Canada). Anyway it seems US / UK trade will be facilitated by Nige 🙂
Japan can set tariff free access to UK vs desire for UK business to have tariff free access to EU (btw most commentators think manufacturing free trade will be easy to do)
Visas are hugely valuable, that's one area where free access to the UK from Europe has historically been providd far too cheaply, in fact we are paying for it when they should be paying us.
@igm it's all about looking for the big and therefore priority opportunities.
On another note it was raised the other day that the only EU countries with international military capabilities where the UK and France. With Trump/Mad Dog likely to take a harder line with NATO the EU would be well advised not to try and p.ss us off unnecessarily. In my view it's no bad thing for the EU to be less influential in foreign policy given their diabolical track record in managing and indeed inflaming conflicts.
Maybe the above is what you want but the reality is different. Might happen one day, but it is going to take a lot of time and money.
Compared with what we had every new half arsed plan is a slightly to a lot worse. Its simply matters of degree from
here.
Nipper it's trivial for us to reactivate our seat at the WTO
nothing reactivate as I understand our membership has always been via the EU.
I'm sure that Brexies have big dreams Jamba.
Apart from the meek and mild bit, the rest rings true for Brexy Britain though doesn't it.
Mitty is a meek, mild man with a vivid fantasy life. In a few dozen paragraphs he imagines himself a wartime pilot, an emergency-room surgeon, and a devil-may-care killer. Although the story has humorous elements, there is a darker and more significant message underlying the text, leading to a more tragic interpretation of the Mitty character. Even in his heroic daydreams, Mitty does not triumph, several fantasies being interrupted before the final one sees Mitty dying bravely in front of a firing squad. In the brief snatches of reality that punctuate Mitty's fantasies the audience meets well-meaning but insensitive strangers who inadvertently rob Mitty of some of his remaining dignity.
A Leaver's view of post Brexit trade - Dominic Rabb MP 1min 40 seconds
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38326615
let me guess, something about cake & eating it?
Before I watch, is it a war film or fantasy Jamba? They were advocating piracy previously I think - that is what buccaneering means isn't it?
Nipper it's trivial for us to reactivate our seat at the WTO
Jambafact?
http://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-simple-about-uk-regaining-wto-status-post-brexit
Ernie is back 🙂 I told him he'd missed nothing here in the last 3 months apart from everyone repeating themselves.
Nipper the rest of the world will be very keen to have us in the WTO, we are a massive importer.
we are a massive importer
Well, we were when we could afford it. Next year, not so much.
Nipper the rest of the world will be very keen to have us in the WTO,
Jambafact?
I see japanese banks are looking for some of them nissan 'assurances' $$$$
[i]Nipper the rest of the world will be very keen to have us in the WTO, we are a massive importer. [/I]
What, of all 162 countries exports?
Do you just not get it, they'll each want their 'pound of flesh', every single one of them - it's like trying to join a members-only club when you can't have any of them blackball you.
tbh It'd all be a lot easier if you Leavers could just accept that none of this is going to be easy, at least then we'd feel you were actually taking it seriously!
Andy Burnham on Newsnight. Whilst this couod have gone in the Corbyn thread I thought it was just as relevant here.
Intereting headline kimbers, last I heard Nomura (really Lehman Brothers London) had just closed most of it's London banking business (way before the Brexit vote). A try on ? Mind you from their perspective why not ?
That just Burnham saying what he thinks people want to hear in his mayoral campaign. He is the epitome of everything thats wrong with modern labour. NO spine, no leadership. Meekly following the agenda of the xenophobic press rather than having some principles and fighting for them.
A try on ? Mind you from their perspective why not ?
Yes why not, or more if you can't tell us whats going to happen we will move, they don't need to Euro HQ's so it will be an all out move. It doesn't list who the other Banks were but the indications were it was more than the 2 named. That will cost the treasury money, and weaken the position of the City so all in another Win Win for Brexit any more good news stories?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38345826 ]Yes, this one #fakeControl[/url].
Can a Brexiter explain to me why any of the other countries we want to strike trade deals with won't take the opportunity to better their position at our expense?
Because we have Great in our countries name and we once had colonies all over the world you know.. And we are better than everyone else.
Or maybe we will just get utterly gangbanged.
TJ or maybe not. You can't do anything in politics unless you are elected
@mike the other European countries are very closed / primative in terms of domestic financial markets. Banks and finance business are in London not least as the economic activity is greatest. Mergers and Acquisitions in France, Germany, Spain and Italy anyone ? 100,000's of jobs have been lost in banking etc since 2009, sector has changed markedly and is not "coming back". UK banks are shutting down European operations and have been for 5 years.
fourbanger you need to see past the European politics and understand Europe is being swept steadily towards a precipice. I am game on for calling their bluff and focusing the vast majority of our trade negotiations globally - our trade is 65/35 non-EU and we should aim to get that to 80% imo. Any negotiation is two way, there is a long list of countries who would love a trade deal with the UK for mutual benefit.
fourbanger hits the nail squarely on the head
x100 when it comes to the upcoming USA administration
fourbanger you need to see past the European politics and understand Europe is being swept steadily towards a precipice. I am game on for calling their bluff and focusing the vast majority of our trade negotiations globally - our trade is 65/35 non-EU and we should aim to get that to 80% imo. Any negotiation is two way, there is a long list of countries who would love a trade deal with the UK for mutual benefit.
If the EU is being pushed toward the precipice it's because of countries like UK who refuse to adhere to the philosophy of the EU and are only interested in themselves rather than building a larger and ultimately stronger union. In a why should we pay into a scheme that's likely to make eastern Europe wealthier and provide us with a larger customer base in the future type of way.
He is the epitome of everything thats wrong with modern labour.
Indeed, take this clip
0 - 01:30: a simple factual account of the different regional dynamics between the N and S and an recognition that FoM (of workers) might have both a positive and a more complex and possibly negative impacts on different regions at the same time
03:20-03:40: for once an honest representation of what the BoE said not the false regurgitation favoured by the Brexshiteers
Full interview - considered, informed, balanced and honest - "everything that is wrong with" etc...... 😯
You can't do anything in politics unless you are elected
Tell that to Rupert Murdoch, Aaron Banks, arguably Daniel Hannan and Nigel Farage. They've successfully trashed Britain without being elected - or in the case of Hannan and Farage being elected to a body they claim is i democratic and they has had no positive contribution to.
Bunch of rich folks playing with other people's lives.
Ya, I think EU is trying to indirectly embargo UK because UK has voted out.
What are the consequences if UK simply ignore the EU rules to trade etc?
How do EU enforce their rules?
Gunboat diplomacy was used in the previous centuries but since EU do not have that military power yet, does that mean they are trying urgently to form one now because of UK?
