there's this thing called customs. you want goods to go in or out, it goes ( or doesn't ) on the say so of the customs officials.
Del - Member
there's this thing called customs. you want goods to go in or out, it goes ( or doesn't ) on the say so of the customs officials.
Yes we have custom but then I also know both sides can custom the hell out of each other so it becomes a battle of wit etc then the norm.
What if all those rules are exhausted what can EU do? I know some of the EU supporters will say that UK want EU more than EU want UK etc so saying the EU can encircle UK etc so UK need to bow etc ...
So [b]utterly predictable[/b] that when we choose to leave the EU, the EU will be blamed for treating us as if we're no longer in the EU.
And I'd like to laugh about the military ideas being spouted above, but can't really.
i appreciate this is probably business as usual but i'm afraid i don't understand what you are asking.
edit ^ @ chewy
Del - Member
i appreciate this is probably business as usual but i'm afraid i don't understand what you are asking.
I mean what if someone breaks the rules what can EU do?
Custom can be by pass if there is a wish.
kelvin - MemberSo utterly predictable that when we choose to leave the EU, the EU will be blamed for treating us as if we're no longer in the EU.
And I'd like to laugh about the military ideas being spouted above, but can't really.
As EU system grows larger that is exactly what they are doing to their surrounding countries by forcing them to comply.
You are a joke aren't you without military strength you have No country.
well yes, that is obviously true, and of course there are people who make money this way, but it's not really the basis for running an economy.
Custom can be by pass if there is a wish.
Someone has been watching too much Poldark.
Del - Member
well yes, that is obviously true, and of course there are people who make money this way, but it's not really the basis for running an economy.
Yes, agree it is not a way of running an economy but it is still a way ... it might be hard at first but once it becomes the norm nobody gives a monkey.
kelvin - Member
Custom can be by pass if there is a wish.
Someone has been watching too much Poldark.
Naahhh ... He is a small timer. 😆
He is ranked so low in the scale he cannot even be used as an example for comparison. 😆
you seem to be advocating an anarchic approach to business and interaction with other nation states. the bins don't get emptied that way.
Del - Member
you seem to be advocating an anarchic approach to business and interaction with other nation states. the bins don't get emptied that way.
No, no certainly not because there must be rules.
The hint is in the word "norm".
ah. i think i see. you can have other rules.
@br yes I would agree there will be some difficulties ahead, the truely worthwhile always seems impossible / difficult at first.
More than one press piece saying the EU need to be careful about too much posturing as it's quite likely to result in a FU attitude from UK consumers
@captain the EU is heading for the precipice due to its own incompetence and member states simply ignoring the rules and the EU turning a blind eye whether thats border control (Dublin agreement), Greek borrowing or farm animal welfare in Poland etc
@igm MEPs are elected to represent their views, Hannah and Farage do exactly that and Banks supports a UK political party with 13% of the vote. Murdoch .. people assign him too much power, most people don't buy a paper of even watch the news more than once in a blue moon.
Del - Member
ah. i think i see. you can have other rules.
No, you don't have to have other rules so depending on how the rules are enforced or used the rules can be changed, bent or rules created on top of rules. 😛
More than one press piece saying the EU need to be careful about too much posturing as it's quite likely to result in a FU attitude from UK consumers
That'd be an interesting read. Have you got the links?
Plenty of stuff in general on Brexit Central website and facebook, listen to what the "other side" have to say
http://reaction.life/eu-rudeness-may-will-encourage-britain-say-get-stuffed/
jambalaya - MemberPlenty of stuff in general on Brexit Central website and facebook, listen to what the "other side" have to say
http://reaction.life/eu-rudeness-may-will-encourage-britain-say-get-stuffed/
Would you agree that it's slightly biased and has it's own slight anti EU agenda then?
😆
EDIT: We'll stick two fingers up at you, wait for the reaction (which we don't like) and then call for sticking two fingers up at you with justification because you don't know how to behave!!
😆 😆 😆
Thing is though, this 'eu rudeness will encourage Britain to say 'get stuffed'' attitude is like something straight out of the daily express comments..
The eu as a whole has been fairly constrained in its attitude to all this, although im sure all the member states are quietly wondering what the hell we are playing at.
Fact is we are bargaining from a position of weakness, and to walk away whilst telling the EU to get stuffed is like cutting our noses of to spite our faces.
If we play nice we might get a deal that puts us in a worse position than we are now, but if we rip up our agreements and commitments then they have every reason to penalise us in negotiations.
And in future WTO negotiations, countries will remember that we don't play nice or honour commitments which will really damage our future negotiation potential...It's a really short sighted way of thinking.
Would you go into business with someone that you know has a history of short changing thier partners in previous ventures?
Plenty of stuff in general on Brexit Central website and facebook, listen to what the "other side" have to say
Anyine not interested in what "the other side" have to say, would have long ago decided to ignore this thread.
Some of us are still hoping for a bit more joined up thinking in what we read… not more of the same.
More than one press piece saying the EU need to be careful about too much posturing as it's quite likely to result in a FU attitude from UK consumers
That'd be an interesting read. Have you got the links?
Not likely that the reading exists. It's an interesting and important idea though.
Stands to reason that poor relations, both real at governmental levels and perceived in the media, between rEU and UK could further hit trade, in both directions. If you see this as purely a risk to rEU exporters, and not UK ones, then you've failed at the joined up thinking again.
Naill Ferguson - Historian and Scot from Stanford University and visiting fellow at Harvard. Sums up my Brexit views entirely (EU, borders, currency etc). First 4min 25 or listen to whole thing 10min 40
captainsasquatch - Member
jambalaya - Member
Plenty of stuff in general on Brexit Central website and facebook, listen to what the "other side" have to say
> http://reaction.life/eu-rudeness-may-will-encourage-britain-say-get-stuffed/
Would you agree that it's slightly biased and has it's own slight anti EU agenda then?EDIT: We'll stick two fingers up at you, wait for the reaction (which we don't like) and then call for sticking two fingers up at you with justification because you don't know how to behave!!
Not biased at all.
EU is just a bureaucratic system so why does a system try to be rude to a PM when individual nation heads do not?
Does that means it's time to play smash the EU system ... 😛
further hit trade, in both directions though.
It will hit trade in both directions, but they are 26 and we are 1. Thay can absorb the hit between them relatively easily, we on the other hand will have to raise taxes and further cut public spending when we haven't really recovered from our last financial crisis. It might sting the EU, but it will knock us onto our backs.
mattyfez - Member
further hit trade, in both directions though.
It will hit trade in both directions, but they are 26 and we are 1. Thay can absorb the hit between them relatively easily, we on the other hand will have to raise taxes and further cut public spending when we haven't really recovered from our last financial crisis. It might sting the EU, but it will knock us onto our backs.
Ya, there are 26 of them but are they all 26 healthy individuals that is the question.
Who are the healthy ones amongst the 26 economically?
Not biased at all.
Good point well made. I mean if chewkw says it's unbiased, it must be unbiased. As one of the more rational and well thought posters on the forum it's hard to ignore the solid and logical opinion of chewkw. I apologise unreservedly for even hinting that this apparent EU hating, mainstream press article is anything else but unbiased.
Ya, there are 26 of them but are they all 26 healthy individuals that is the question.
You really don't understand the EU, do you?
Should we get rid of weaker contributors to this thread? Those who appear to add nothing but drivel and are clearly not healthy contributors.
It might become a bit one sided then though.
captainsasquatch - Member
Not biased at all.
Good point well made. I mean if chewkw says it's unbiased, it must be unbiased.
It's about rudeness. It is rude to ignore the head of state is it not no matter how you dislike him/her.
You really don't understand the EU, do you?
EU works as a unit by complying with their rules that I understand very well.
But if their own individual nations want to break the rules to trade with us what can the EU system do? Punish them? How?
That is my question.
The concept of EU by assuming that all member states behave like a unit is a flaw one if you cannot even understand such simple basic.Should we get rid of weaker contributors to this thread? Those who appear to add nothing but drivel and are clearly not healthy contributors.
EU system is a major flaw.
Who are the healthy ones amongst the 26 economically?
Relatively speaking I'd hazard we are one of them, but there are more 'healthy' ones who still outnumber us, and they are it seems at the moment entertaining our attitude conditionally, if we stop playing ball, then they (and I would too in their position) give the UK a lot more to be worried about than not being invited to a dinner party.
Sorry double poster.
More than one press piece saying the EU need to be careful about too much posturing as it's quite likely to result in a FU attitude from UK consumers
I don't think UK consumers give a stuff about anything other than the cheapest most convenient route to their toys which is exactly the opposite of what they will now get.
The concept of EU by assuming that all member states behave like a unit is a flaw one if you cannot even understand such simple basic.
Why? Give me a single example where this is the case and the negative effect.
mattyfez - Member
Who are the healthy ones amongst the 26 economically?
Relatively speaking I'd hazard we are one of them, but there are more 'healthy' ones who still outnumber us, and they are it seems at the moment entertaining our attitude conditionally, if we stop playing ball, then they (and I would too in their position) give the UK a lot more to be worried about than not being invited to a dinner party.
Not necessary better or stronger because that depends on how many mouths the healthy ones need to feed constantly. i.e. the rich ones will have to subsidies or to provide bad debts for the rest of their life with no hope of seeing a return.
captainsasquatch - Member
The concept of EU by assuming that all member states behave like a unit is a flaw one if you cannot even understand such simple basic.Why? Give me a single example where this is the case and the negative effect.
Greece.
It's about rudeness. It is rude to ignore the head of state is it not no matter how you dislike him/her.
The uk said it's leaving, but the UK isn't saying how or why in any rational way, that's pretty damn rude, so if we get a rude response, (I'd argue it's more of an indifferent response than rude).. then we can't really start complaining about rudeness.
Greece lied, that's not an EU flaw, except they didn't dig deep enough and still it's the private sector ensuring that they get their money back that's preventing Greece from getting back on its feet rather than the EU crippling them.
The question still stands.
mattyfez - Member
It's about rudeness. It is rude to ignore the head of state is it not no matter how you dislike him/her.The uk said it's leaving, but the UK isn't saying how or why in any rational way, that's pretty damn rude, so if we get a rude response, (I'd argue it's more of an indifferent response than rude).. then we can't really start complaining about rudeness.
The UK has 43 years of untanglement to do yet they (EU bureaucrats) want UK to response immediately with all plans presented to them?
For those EU bureaucrats to treat a British PM that way is not only rude but also it also shows that it is a system incapable of controlling it's emotion let alone respecting another system. Hence, EU is a dangerous system if grown too large. "The machine is on the move".
Not necessary better or stronger because that depends on how many mouths the healthy ones need to feed constantly. i.e. the rich ones will have to subsidies or to provide bad debts for the rest of their life with no hope of seeing a return.
That is a valid point to an extent, and why the EU needs reform in some areas, turkey is in no way fit to be a member, Greece should not have been allowed in unless there was a solid plan in place to bring them up to standard.
However, we cant infulence the clubs future strategy if we resign because we've has a hissy fit.
captainsasquatch - Member
Greece lied, that's not an EU flaw, except they didn't dig deep enough and still it's the private sector ensuring that they get their money back that's preventing Greece from getting back on its feet rather than the EU crippling them.
The question still stands.
That's a convenient way to blame the Greeks innit. 😛
If EU system is so perfect then why didn't they noticed all the "lied" long time ago.
The premise of a bureaucratic system is to ensure transparency in all aspect of dealings and to enforce them with transparent rule set.
For EU to not see Greek bending the rules can only means two things:
1. The system is not transparent.
2. The system is highly corrupted.
Both of which render the entire EU system flawed if not outright dangerous.
We have a lot of UKIP MEPs who hardly ever seem to do thier jobs, and then we get all upset when we don't get taken seriously. The classic is farage and the fisheries, the very occasional meeting he bothered to attend he did nothing constructive, and mainly insulted his counterparts..
Then he pronounces that we are better off out of the EU... his behaviour beggars belief.
mattyfez - Member
That is a valid point to an extent, and why the EU needs reform in some areas, turkey is in no way fit to be a member, Greece should not have been allowed in unless there was a solid plan in place to bring them up to standard.However, we cant infulence the clubs future strategy if we resign because we've has a hissy fit.
No you can't influence the EU system.
The assumption that one can influence a mega a Bureaucratic System is completely naive which I have been saying all this time.
You can only smash the system to pieces then re-do or re-create it from zero again but this time make sure it is not the tail wagging the dog. i.e. it is a support system so should never raise above that.
For EU to not see Greek bending the rules can only means two things:1. The system is not transparent.
2. The system is highly corrupted.
Both of which render the entire EU system flawed if not outright dangerous.
But your claim of the flawed system was that:
The concept of EU by assuming that all member states behave like a unit is a flaw one if you cannot even understand such simple basic.
Even Teresa Maybe isn't transparent, yet you hold her up as a hero in the Brexshit world that is being unleashed on us. I'm sure you'll be able to justify that though. #Continuity.
It's politics and politics at all levels are corrupt.
I'm still looking for a question to be answered. You're correct that the EU should have looked further into Greece, but shit happens. It's dealt with. You still seem happy to ignore the fact that the Greek situation could have resolved years ago if it weren't for the private finance houses who are bleeding Greece dry. Again that is not an EU problem.
You seem happy to blame the EU for problems created by others. Your rationale doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
At least Jambalay will post up the guff he gets his ideas from. 😆
Rachel.
Jamba - Chewkw seems to be another one for your little Walter Mitty club. Brexy fantasist.
The assumption that one can influence a mega a Bureaucratic System is completely naive which I have been saying all this time.
I disagree completely, we have MEPs paid by the the tax payer for precisely that purpose. These people are simply not doing what they are paid for, that's a UK problem, not an EU one. They are not competently arguing the UK interest on the EU Stage, and They are the one's shouting the loudest about how terrible the EU is, how would they even know, they dont make themselves involved, and then say the UK is ignored... they'd actualy have to start doing their jobs first to be qualified to say say something like that.
captainsasquatch - Member
Even Teresa Maybe isn't transparent, yet you hold her up as a hero in the Brexshit world that is being unleashed on us. I'm sure you'll be able to justify that though. #Continuity.
It's politics and politics at all levels are corrupt.
Oh c'mon PM May has just been appointed yet you have already accused her of non-transparent? Her PM seat is not even warm yet.
You seem happy to blame the EU for problems created by others. Your rationale doesn't stand up to scrutiny.Rachel.
EU system is a system that see itself fit to "govern" yet they are cannot see the mess that they have created along the way. Now they are trying to blame others? Hellooo!
Remember we are talking about nations that is not transparent ... we are not talking about a small one person business here. For the EU System to not see the rules bending calls into serious doubt their ability as a system.
The EU System Must be dismantled.
At least Jambalay will post up the guff he gets his ideas from.
Yes, that is who he is. He is Very good.
Me, I am just being me ... 
p/s: got to go now ... debate with you lot later.
Need to do Xmas shopping ...
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The EU System Must be dismantled.
Sigh... It's the most democratic humane and fair 'super power' in the history of humanity. It really is a trail blazer in terms of forward thinking.
I don't think anyone's arguing that it works perfectly, but it's not that bad when you consider even recent history.
It needs reform, of course, everything can be improved, but you can't improve something by throwing it into the dustbin.
The assumption that one can influence a mega a Bureaucratic System is completely naive which I have been saying all this time.
The assumption that there is some bureaucratic system that has a major influence over our lives is equally naive although lots of people swallow it - bogey men are delicious in many quarters
