I think the longer this goes on the more countries will realise what they can gain from Brexit and resistance to it will diminish. People are already planning not only damage limitation strategies for any negative consequences but also how they can most profit from the situation.
International trade and politics should be conducted internationally, by us.
Kimbers the quicker we and May are [s]out [/s][b]into[/b] of that sh.t the better [b]according to Jamba[/b]
FTFY
but also how they can most profit from the situation
might have been ruperts plan all along, brexit has given him a nice 20% discount on Sky.
Jamba - there is no chance of tariff free access to anything without free movement of people. This is 100% clear
Why to the leavers keep on with the fantasies? It doesn't become true the more you repeat it.
Unilaterally.International trade and politics should be conducted internationally, by us.
Who is 'us'?
Us Europeans perhaps? Little englanders? Brexies? Or just people like you Jamba?
Yep , he did not rule anything out , he covered all options .
Not a clue .
is this what the 'future of international trade and politics' looks like?
is this what the future of international trade and plitics looks like?
That's it, isn't it?
We're out. It's the stupidest decision that this country has taken since, well, forever. Lots of people will lose out. But we're no longer part of the club.
In French and German media it's a while since I heard of Brexit at all. Were it not for this thread I'd have done the same as the media and forgotten about until today's reporting of the united intransigence.
les Vingt-Sept proclament à l’unisson que les « quatre libertés de circulation » – des biens, des personnes, des données et des services – sont indissociables. Leur unité sur le sujet s’est cristallisée cet été quand ils ont compris – Berlin en particulier – que la moindre concession à Londres ferait exploser l’Union. « Si on ne fait pas respecter les conditions d’accès au marché intérieur, on risque la destruction de notre projet commun, c’est une question existentielle », soulignent en chœur les diplomates bruxellois.
En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/referendum-sur-le-brexit/article/2016/12/15/brexit-le-grand-bluff-entre-londres-et-les-vingt-sept_5049304_4872498.html#lge7rm0vbVHLHQ3B.99
No point translating, the honourable British media are reporting the same: Britain accepts freedom of movement of goods, information, people and services or does one.
most diabetics in the states use treatments that were outdated her 20 years ago
Not only that, but diabetics I'm in contact with in the USA spend nearly half their take home pay on their treatment.
So, a more expensive heathcare structure that bankrupts those that need to use it.
And, advocated by those that cynically plastered NHS logos over all their Leave leaflets, buses and posters.
Hard not to be ****ing angry about it, for years to come probably.
He said there would be a paper (not likely to be a white paper) published before A50 with enough time for a Parliamentary debate and not before end of January.
Well, obviously not before end of January, because that would require the government having a plan NOW, and it clearly does not, and no one has a plan that they can adopt, either.
We are going to have full access to the single market at a minimum in the same way say the US does.
Well, that's a pretty low minimum.
You know the impression you get that the brexies running the show are all ****g bonkers, I mean it could all be a cunning ruse to catch out their European counterparts....
Well apparently it's exactly a bad as you might imagine.
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kelvin - MemberNot only that, but diabetics I'm in contact with in the USA spend nearly half their take home pay on their treatment.
So, a more expensive heathcare structure that bankrupts those that need to use it.
I can't find the article but the proportion of US diabetics that do less blood testing than they should, because of the costs of the consumables and insurer's limits, is... I can't think of a better word than disgusting. This is the difference between healthy and not. Doctor says "Here's a prescription for the strips you need monthly", insurer says "Nah, you don't need that many, 3 tests a day is plenty" Doctor says you'd benefit from a pump, insurer says "good idea, we're not paying for it all though so that'll cost you $2000, and we're not paying for the more expensive consumables either". And this is without any of the advanced stuff or serious doctor's time, retinopathy checkups, all that vajazzle.
Obviously i may lack objectivity here 😆 I'm sure if you can afford it, there's first class care but if you can't, then you can look forward to an early death and a life of complications. And since most T1s develop it as kids, that "if you can afford it" starts with your parents then carries on with your first ever job, all the way through considering further education...
And, advocated by those that cynically plastered NHS logos over all their Leave leaflets, buses and posters.
Links to anyone from leave campaign advocating the US healthcare system as a replacement for the NHS please?
If you want MPs rather than back room people in the campaign, check out "Direct Democracy: An Agenda For A New Model Party"… actually, don't… but do make a note of the people involved, and that it recommends the NHS is replaced by private provision paid for by insurance.
In French and German media it's a while since I heard of Brexit at all
I was over in Austria last weekend for the Krampus festival.
One of them whipped my English friend Thom (who lives there) and a local came over and laughed "a Brexit whipping!"
It still comes up in conversation most of the time there.
"If it were up to me, I’d privatise the NHS” ? advocating the US System
its this type of alarming dumbing down of politics and debate that leads to things like people voting for Brexit 😉
Mr Banks also claimed his strategy to win the referendum campaign was to “bore the electorate into submission” in the hope that turnout was low – which he believed would help the leave cause.
Who is dumbing it down?
What is the US system Ninfan? Is it a private health system where money gets you stuff? Are you just trying to disagree(troll) with anything Privatising the NHS would lead to a US based system where insurance is needed but ultimatly those who really need it will be priced out of the market.
Jamba - there is no chance of tariff free access to anything without free movement of people. This is 100% clear
Canada has tariff free access
Agreed Edukator nothing really on the French news, they didn't even really feature the EU meeting today. Mostly domestic election policitcs.
@kelvin no tariff free access to the European single market gives us £10bn of extra revenues via WTO.
@igm "us" means the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
The turf war goes on at the EU with Schultz suggesting that eurosceptic MEPs lead by UKIP could block any deals in the EU Parliament if they where not fully consulted.
Jamba - do you actually bother reading anything coming out of europe - this is very clear.
@kelvin no tariff free access to the European single market gives us £10bn of extra revenues via WTO.
Yes, imported goods will cost 10bm more, exported goods will also be more expensive for the ROW to buy (EU being our major market) So the 10bn may be collected by the government but the 10bn still needs to come from somewhere in the first place - how much more will you be willing to pay for goods?
@kelvin no tariff free access to the European single market gives us £10bn of extra revenues via WTO.
ha ha yes of course because the tariffs and customs checks and paperwork won't have any negative effect on the volume of exports, so long as we still abide by all the EU regulations necessary to sell into those markets too, that we left the EU to avoid...
Why to the leavers keep on with the fantasies? It doesn't become true the more you repeat it.
No, it only becomes true when you write it on a bus.
@igm "us" means the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
How gloriously small - though I doubt if you went and asked them all, they'd all agree to be part of that "us" given half of those who voted wanted to be part of the EU (and it will have risen a fair bit by now)
"us" means the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
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Are we planning to annexe Ireland now !!
The infrastructure needed at entry points will cost more than £10 billions, plus extra staff, customs etc...
Back to the Empire Kimbers, watch out Australia and India , Boris is on his way to make you great again.
Are we planning to annexe Ireland now !!
Can we negotiate an exchange? UK (ironic) can have Ireland if Wales can leave. 😛
Who reckons that even if Brexit does turn out ok - because so much time has been spent on arranging it, the rest of the county will have gone to ruin because our glorious leader hasn't had the necessary time to give attention to other important matters in running the country.
That should have been part of the referendum discussion. Is Brexit so important that time will be diverted from certain areas?
Are we planning to annexe Ireland now !!
Well, we keep being told there will be no need for a hard land border, but not how that will be acheived, perhaps annexing Eire and dragging it out of the EU at the same time as the UK is the plan…
That should have been part of the referendum discussion. Is Brexit so important that time will be diverted from certain areas?
On that logic we would still be able to rip foxes apart with dogs on boxing day.
Are we planning to annexe Ireland now !!
😀 Good spot, Northern of course
The infrastructure needed at entry points will cost more than £10 billions, plus extra staff, customs etc...
Which is exactly the problem the EU have with Schengen and the migrants and terrorist crises, they have made redundant the majority of the border and customs staff. That's created a security problem as well as a major headache with people able to arrival illegally with virtual impunity.
As an aside the EU has been called out (by Green MEPs amongst others) on telling whopping lies abiut its "great success" in stemming migrant flows from Nigeria and has also been found to have been diverting aid fom other projects into anti-migrant measures.
@kelvin nonhard border in Ireland is going to be pretty simple in practicle terms. There will be some extra work for Eire too but everyone UK, Eire amd EU is committed to making it work
@eden certainly not me 😉 As I have said elections and the € crises will start to dominate the headlines in 2017/18, Brexit talks will almost become a sideline. That may give us a headache and the EU will have so many issues to deal with it may not be able to cope. I personally see the Government focusing on Brexit plus a few other key manifesto pledges, the opposition (cough) is in total disarray and the Government despite a small majority is going to be able to do exactiy as it wishes.
How will the non hard border between NI and Eire be simple? go on tell us a solution.
Tariff free access Jamba? How is this going to happen when its been made clear time and time again that you do not get tariff free access to the single market without freedom of movement.
how much more will you be willing to pay for goods?
Whatever the price is I will take that into my purchase decision. The vast majority of tariffs are tiny in comparison to potential fx moves both ways. I'd much rather buy British, we need much more of that attitude.
it's deeply worrying (from that times article kimbers posted) when politicians start to believe their own rhetoric/bullshit/lies !
Ah yes. The excellent US health system where my American brother in law required a $10K shot to boost his white blood cell count after a bout with testicular cancer. There was some delay as it wasn't clear if the insurance he had would cover this cost, or if he would have to stump it up himself. What every 30 year old needs on top of $50K+ of student loans debt.
When can we adopt this system and scrap the NHS?
Canada TJ, Canada.
The EU's stance is that ful access to THE single market requires freedom of movement. We will be leaving THE single market and thus we will end freedom of movement. We will replace that with negotiated tariff free access to a subset of THE single market.
Note services are tariff free underr WTO, the issue with services especially financial services is regulatory access.
good idea. guess the cayman's replacement price has just gone up 15% so maybe look at the evora?I'd much rather buy British, we need much more of that attitude.POSTED 2 MINUTES AGO #
If there are tarifs then used car prices will rise a bit. Tarifs 12% plus fx movemof 15% I suspect EU car orices would rise more like 25% and lose their relative advantage vs Japanese, Korean amd US cars
Well, we keep being told there will be no need for a hard land border, but not how that will be acheived,
Because of the geography, you could readily envisage a scenario where the Common Travel Area is preserved with Ireland outside Schengen. There could be free movement of people across the border (but with other rights to residence, work, benefits perhaps curtailed).
There would need to be a customs/trade border to block free movement of goods. That would require border checks. I'm sure nobody can see any problems at all with officers of the British State stopping and searching Irish vehicles as they try to move freely around the island. Nope, no problems there at all because we've always got on so well in the past.
On that logic we would still be able to rip foxes apart with dogs on boxing day.
It still happens, infact Fox gets ripped apart every time he appears before a select committee 😉
Actually Tony was able to start several wars at the same time, however much time was spent debating it.
Brexits 30000? new civil servants will be a bigger drain on parliament
