One of the places I used to make my judgement on leave voted 70% leave. It's not the kind of place you'd come out, education standards are OK but the educated leave to go to university and tend not to return, it's almost exclusively white, rich (so much so that there's a clique of women do arty things or charity work rather than work), the churches are quite busy. It scores really badly on my remain attributes list.
Are the LibDems back?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38178486
Looks like it, a Pro EU campaign winning, the thought that returning Goldsmith as an independant would stop Heathrow expansion was a bit farsical. He did however not reflect the views or concearns of his constituents on the most pressing matter of the day.
I don't know what Mr Goldsmith has been eating recently but judging by those photos, it must have been very bitter.
Richmond voted 70% Remain and the Tories did not put forward a candidate so a LibDem win isn't a big surprise. I would not have voted for Goldsmith. As Jess Phillips said a stupid game from a rich boy. She also said this
Do you know what this election won't change - Heathrow expansion or Brexit
Winds of change Jamba, winds of change. By the time you notice the breeze, the hurricane will be upon the Brexies.
Oh and can I echo chewkw's sentiment - one down, now for the rest of them.
Winds of change Jamba, winds of change. By the time you notice the breeze, the hurricane will be upon the Brexies.
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Jess Phillips is right, Heathrow expansion which has been a decade or more overdue will go ahead as will Brexit
I thought it might be the other paragraph that someone quoted.
Ah well, I still like the balance of the wording in the first paragraph so let's do it again.
Winds of change Jamba, winds of change. By the time you notice the breeze, the hurricane will be upon the Brexies.
Looks like it, a Pro EU campaign winning, the thought that returning Goldsmith as an independant would stop Heathrow expansion was a bit farsical. He did however not reflect the views or concearns of his constituents on the most pressing matter of the day.
Olney/Lib Dems are also against expansion.
So, we can hypothesise that staying in the EU is important [i]in Richmond[/i].
With such a major swing, in line with Brexit voting, it will be interesting to see the outcome of future by-elections in the bulk of the country- will Labour be decimated?
wow a 2016 vote that doesnt make me think the country's heading back to the dark ages !
those pollsters really are shit arent they!
We knew you would say that Jambalaya. So why the Tories did not put up a candidate?
The lib dem based their campaign on Brexit and won.
Heathrow expansion is years away.
Will labour be decimated?
If they don't actually stand up and be counted for something then probably - and they'll deserve it.
UKIP and the LibDems are painting a vision of the future. Tories and Labour are living on past glories - which you can do for a good long time but not forever.
Britex is cancelled 🙂
massive swing to the lib dems ,the standing MP just defeated, a 24 000 ish reversal of a majority...aye it happens all the time does that jamby so no surprise at allRichmond voted 70% Remain and the Tories did not put forward a candidate so a LibDem win isn't a big surprise
I agree it wont change much in the minds of the Brexiters/ right wing types....they seem pretty impervious to reality 😉
agreed but the problem is what the MPs want to stand for and what the party want them t stand for are largely unrelated to each otherIf they don't actually stand up and be counted for something then probably - and they'll deserve it.
They really should be offering an alternative view to all this and challenging the tories
They are hardly speaking with one voice on the major issue even amongst the three brexiteers never mind the whole parliamentary party
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Did I say mass manufacturing?
Good thing there's a strong demand for artisan Spitfires and organic Triumph Heralds...
24% swing in Witney Junky
@fourbangers not according to Jess Phillips (see Tweet above)
The lib dem now need to be even more vocal about Brexit.
It is their big change to redeem themselves.
[quote=cchris2lou ]The lib dem now need to be even more vocal about Brexit.
It is their big change to redeem themselves.
This^
Brexit will fail to happen
General election called
Tories ousted
Labour are toothless and ineffective so wont take the Tory vote
A perfect opportunity for the Lib Dems to get in a strong position
where the tories still won so well done for comparing chalk with cheese and for working out that tory vote of 60.2 % of the vote dropping to 45% was a 24% swing24% swing in Witney Junky
massive swing to the lib dems ,the standing MP just defeated, a 24 000 ish reversal of a majority...aye it happens all the time does that jamby so no surprise at all
Basically nothing like that then FWIW it was far funnier on the other thread and here it just looks like you missed the point and you cannot count rather than it was funny trolling
Thanks but as a eu migrant I can't vote. 😉
I doubt it will stop Brexit all together but it is certainly a major breakthrough.
If Labour woke up from their 1970 nap the PM could be under real pressure.
Surely the Govt can simply ignore the referendum and carry on as normal. It will obviously be a bit of a shock as going back on one's promise is almost unheard of in this campaign, but I believe there's a fair few supporters on one side who are happy with going back on promises and would happily support the Govt in this action.
hey brexit mean brexit
everything else was lie but that bit is immutable
I agree. The point being that we already have a different standard plug to the rest of Europe. If Europe goes down a "corded electrical goods must have a Euro standard plug permanently attached to get CE marked"
I discovered to my cost that Swiss plugs are not the same as the almost identical euro plugs!!!! Do the Swiss use CE marking???
The point being that we already have a different standard plug to the rest of Europe
What mrmo said. Those 'euro' plugs aren't an EU-wide standard:
http://www.iec.ch/worldplugs/map.htm#
I discovered to my cost that Swiss plugs are not the same as the almost identical euro plugs!!!! Do the Swiss use CE marking???
You can add Italy and Norway to that list, though most new buildings come with schukos (what a "euro plug" actully is) nowadays.
and one thing to consider consider the liberal party c 1900-1910, going from important to oblivion.
Never assume that it can't happen again. look at the Tory party in Scotland and Wales. or how the Scottish parliament is unhealthly single party.
That the Tories and Labour are major parties doesn't mean that screwing up brexit won't consign them to oblivion.
Has Goldsmith asked yet for the election to be re-run as he didn't like the result?
we already have a different standard plug
Yes, but of note here is that ours is, as you would expect. The best
unless you stand on the upturned bugger in the night...
Yes, but of note here is that ours is, as you would expect. The best
With the one glaring design fault that anyone who's stood on one will attest to.
The choice of material's pretty poor too. Who would make a plug out of somtheing that shatters?
And terminal shields were only required from the 90's onwards. The shutters are ace & make those stupid baby-proofing blanking plates unnecessary.
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Here's a Europlug sporting some natty insulation that the UK plug proclaims makes it safer. I wonder what other safety features those crazy Europeans have adopted. They seem smart enouyh not to adopt the three pin, foot puncturing design.
hey brexit mean brexiteverything else was lie but that bit is immutable
You know I'm beginning to think the fat lady hasn't even stepped on stage yet.
Now before I offend any sensibilities, im not saying are brexiters are scum, but it really does seem to have poisoned our politics
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[quote=mrmo ] or how the Scottish parliament is unhealthly single party.
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Current Scottiish Parliament Seats
Scottish National Party 63
Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party 31
Scottish Labour 23
Scottish Green Party 6
Scottish Liberal Democrats 5
No Party Affiliation 1
That equates to 49% SNP, 51% opposing parties
The current split in Westminster is 50.5% Conservative, 49.5% opposing parties
But aye, the Scottish parliament is totally single party...
its easy to find nobbers on the internet- they are everywhere.
I think it has raised the profile and acceptability of harmful and offensive remarks and , regrettably, in the rise of hate crimes
That said suggesting someone gets murdered by a right wing racist nutjob is a particular low for the internet but we would be there were it not for moderation
That said suggesting someone gets murdered by a right wing racist nutjob is a particular low for the internet but we would be there were it not for moderation
Who would?
who do you think?
either discuss what i said or dont but this is like you audition to be John Humphreys 😉
I have no idea but that doies not negate the point made
The internet leads to folk saying and doing things they might not in the real world and of course there is a tiny minority of hate filled nutters and some of them own bikes
I am really going to ignore it if you just do this
Not sure if its intentional but IMHO it adds little if anythign to the debate as its not that important to the broad point you made no comment on
Is that tweet enough for the police to investigate, if so, who do we report it to?
I'm pretty sure if the authorities wanted it to be 'enough' for a reason of theirs thy would.
She's already reported it to Notts police.
boardin bob, i meant to say scottish westminster parliament. 56 SNP may not accurately reflect Scotland.
Ed Balls on [s]Strictly[/s] This Week (I paraphrase)
Freedom of movement on the scale we are seeing it is unsustainable, the EU is going to have to reform. He also claimed he'd be saying that for 6 years. He says they in particular they need to address low skilled migration and people moving without a job.
Portillo's view freedom of movement won't be a negotiation problem as every other wealthy EU country faces the same problem and want a solution.
Except that after Brexit, the new rules inside the EU won't matter to the UK. 🙄
