The comments on all these stories are brilliant, blame the messenger (Carney usually), blame the media (usually the "pro" EU BBC), blame the immigrants, blame the EU, blame everyone except the idiots who decided to embark on this fiasco in the first place.
From the Express comments
Since WHEN is the supreme court allowed to make POLITICAL decisions.
THAT is a matter between the people and parliament.
Urrmmmm.... some people are seriously clueless 😯 😆
If Necessary the fight must be taken to the streets, the remainiacs will find out how precarious life can be.
If Necessary the fight must be taken to the streets, the remainiacs will find out how precarious life can be.
Are the Brexiters actually threatening civil war????
Only if it doesn't clash with Eastenders.
Are the Brexiters actually threatening civil war????
Nothing more daring than online comments would ever happen.
Are the Brexiters actually threatening civil war????
Nothing more daring than online comments would ever happen.
we already have one dead MP and a few other deaths. So whilst i doubt a full civil war and do not doubt that some idiots will take such language as justification.
how old are you? i thought you kept cars for 10 years?
🙂 53 had the Porsche, 1 Toyota and 1 Mitsubishi 10 years ... at one stage we had 5 cars. The new wife has had her Nissan 10 years.
Are the Brexiters actually threatening civil war????
I am not a fan of civil war but it's fair to say I would be a very very unhappy bunny. I would definitely take to the streets. I would consider any anti-Remain / EU campaigns or action people might suggest.
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really?
shock horror, some things are best done collectively.
First time since 23rd of June that you don't seem 100% confident Jambalaya.
Rioting Brexiters would be a strange mix, all the EDL/BNP racists who still want revenge for Raol Moat in the vanguard
A lot of very old grumpy pensioners angrily demanding a return to imperial measurements and death to all gay Olympic fencing judges.
Then you'd get all the egomaniacal Brexiters like Farige, Mogg, Hannan reveling in the power they so desperately crave.
Not at all, just answering the question. I could be wrong so my answer reflects that scenario.
VW layoffs reflect the sickness of Europe's economy and the real pain hasn't even begun yet.
Kimbers and me of course 😉
See when I was out campaigning and on the street stalls I didn't see anyone from those groups you list aside from a few pensioners.
The sickness in Europe affects the UK, Brexshit or no Brexhsit - so what is the point that you are trying to make Jambas. We are not suddenly going to transform the UK from an economy that is highly interdependent with Europe to one that is independent overnight.
There is nothing positive in Europe slowing/weakening for - to coin a terrible phrase - them or us
p.s. I liked your fetching orange jacket on QT last night but was surprised to see TJ in tweed jacket and a tie!! 😉
Maybe you missed the previous page but vw are not laying of staff, they are not replacing the ones who retire. And it seems that their problems are more to do with a software issue in the US.
[url] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/18/northern-ireland-campaigner-to-challenge-brexit-in-supreme-court [/url]
keeps on giving,
VW layoffs reflect the sickness of Europe's economy and the real pain hasn't even begun yet.
You seem to take it quite personally that Germany ( now France too thanks to Brexit vote) has a stronger economy than Britain?
As THM points out your reductionist view of the world is deeply flawed;
them and us,
good and evil,
simple answers to complex questions
These are all indicative of a failure to understand the realities of the world.
VW layoffs reflect the sickness of Europe's economy and the real pain hasn't even begun yet.
I thought the devalued pound was meant to help exporters.....
We are not suddenly going to transform the UK from an economy that is highly interdependent with Europe to one that is independent overnight.
That can't be right - Theresa May has been working hard to create economic ties with India.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/14/narendra-modi-pledges-to-ease-india-cash-crisis
VW layoffs
#jambafact
we already have one dead MP and a few other deaths. So whilst i doubt a full civil war and do not doubt that some idiots will take such language as justification.
true so I guess the numbers protesting would be low but the unsavoury side of society. I'd still put money on a lot of angry comments on facebook and perhaps a few protests but nothing more.
DrJ - dont fall into the Brexshit camp of confusing stories for effect. The Indian cash story is for a v specific reason has nothing to do with any of this. More pertinent might be to point out to Jambas how a company who he used to work and which championed itself as a UK business targeting the high growth economies of Asia, the ME and Africa has seen a massive fall from grace and de-rating.
That should remind everyone of the perils of chasing the emerging market pot of gold!!
The Indian cash story is for a v specific reason has nothing to do with any of this.
Well, the relevance of the Indian cash story is that Mother Theresa is seeking succour from a country where only 50% of people have bank accounts, and where large parts of agriculture have ground to a halt at a crucial time because they have no cash to pay for labour. If that ain't a sign of desperation, I don't know what is!
SCB just ran out of steam, profit growth had been driven by the "investment bank" and withdrawl of competitors post 2008. As Asia too has slowed the profit growth dried up and hence the stock got re-rated in line with most banks. People have been wary of the Indian loan book for the longest time, far too much smoke and mirrors imo but the big losses have come from the Middle East and a fraud in China.
Some interesting thoughts (statements of obvious from my perspective) on Italy from the Spectator
Though he is a big fan of the European Union, Barack Obama brings bad karma to it. So perhaps he should not have chosen Greece and Germany, [b]the two countries which illustrate so poignantly why the euro is doomed, [/b]for his last foreign tour.The Italian economy, meanwhile — which Renzi boasted he would sort out — [b]is a prisoner of the euro and remains mired in recession.[/b] Italy’s GDP has shrunk by 8 per cent since 2008 while Britain’s, for example, has grown by 8.2 per cent. Italy’s unemployment rate remains stuck at around 12 per cent (youth unemployment is nearly 40 per cent). Public debt keeps growing and is now 135 per cent of GDP — the third highest in the world by that measure. Italy’s banks — including Monte dei Paschi di Siena, the world’s oldest, founded in 1472 — are in deep trouble. They are badly undercapitalised and hold €360 billion of bad loans — the equivalent roughly of a fifth of Italy’s GDP.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/italys-heading-for-its-own-brexit-moment/
true so I guess the numbers protesting would be low but the unsavoury side of society. I'd still put money on a lot of angry comments on facebook and perhaps a few protests but nothing more.
Anders Breivik
It doesn't take many to kill a lot.
I don't have the numbers to hand, but i am sure that i read that right wing extremists have killed far more in Europe that Islamic terrorists. Yet which group is it that the Media point too as being a threat?
mrmo I would guess Westland/GKN's business is mostly domestic, closure more likley due to defence budget cuts I would imagine
DrJ this is the BBC headline "Volkswagen plans 30,000 job cuts worldwide" job cuts vs layoffs ? The 23,000 in Germany is 20% of their entire workforce
I don't have the numbers to hand, but i am sure that i read that right wing extremists have killed far more in Europe that Islamic terrorists. Yet which group is it that the Media point too as being a threat?
Not in the last 5, 2 or 1 years. The historic problems in Spain etc have largely been dealt with. Islamic Terrorists are by a country mile the biggest threat we face today.
DrJ - you need to do some more work on the Indian economy I'm afraid.
Jambas, SCB and HSBC demonstrated that making money in the markets you would prefer us to focus on is no easy path. Its an illusion to suggest otherwise.
We know that the € is doomed and that among its flaws was a lack of mechanisms for recycling the surpluses created by Germany (from Italy, Greece) etc in order to allow the system to work. The Germans have always had a wonderfully myopic view of the appalling construct that they devised to benefit no one but themselves. They will pretend that a solution does not require creditors to take a haircut next!!!
DrJ - you need to do some more work on the Indian economy I'm afraid.
No doubt, but we can't all aspire to your level of expertise now can we?
DrJ this is the BBC headline "Volkswagen plans 30,000 job cuts worldwide" job cuts vs layoffs ? The 23,000 in Germany is 20% of their entire workforce
And most will be from early retirement, so not layoffs. As has been explained above.
[url= http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lone-right-wing-extremists-kill-and-harm-more-people-than-islamist-terrorists-a3276876.html ]http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lone-right-wing-extremists-kill-and-harm-more-people-than-islamist-terrorists-a3276876.html[/url]
so a couple of big attacks by Islamists since this, but the underlying issue remains. Far too much coverage given to a more predictable foe.
And it seems that their problems are more to do with a software issue in the US.
deliberately writing software to act is a particular manner is not a software issue!
I was being sarcastic 😉
the money tree keeps on giving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38049254
And a Blair doesn't even want to get involved!!
I like the photo they used on the Guardian story:
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Just so we could check that May still casts a shadow. 😀
Jeeez the BBC post some nonsense. Over on the right of that page there's a link to the French primary results. They persistently describe Fillon as centrist or centre-right whilst Europe 1 (capitalist radio) is describing him as droite-catholique or hard right. Does the BBC not employ anyone who has a clue about French politics?
They persistently describe Fillon as centrist or centre-right whilst Europe 1 (capitalist radio) is describing him as droite-catholique or hard right.
it's right, just the BBC have just re-aligned the centre to somewhere right of Goebbels.
The centre of the political spectrum varies by country. So someone could easily be described as centre-right in one country and hard-right in another.
https://www.ft.com/content/9cfdad52-ada7-11e6-9cb3-bb8207902122
Across the EU as a whole, 62 per cent of those polled would vote to stay in the EU compared with 57 per cent in March, according to Bertelsmann’s polling which covered nearly 15,000 respondents. The poll was conducted in August 2016 a few weeks after the British referendum.In Britain, support rose to 56 per cent after the Brexit vote, compared to 49 per cent before. Approval rates fell in Spain to 68 per cent, but rose in the other four big continental member states – Germany, France, Italy and Poland.
so corporation tax has to be skashed to prevent companies leaving post brexit
is this included in the 100bn shortfall or is this loss in tax revenue already factored in?
either way following the Irish model doesnt seem to be the best idea , it didnt work out well for them!
That's great news.
Across the EU as a whole, 62 per cent of those polled would vote to stay in the EU compared with 57 per cent in March, according to Bertelsmann’s polling which covered nearly 15,000 respondents. The poll was conducted in August 2016 a few weeks after the British referendum.
In Britain, support rose to 56 per cent after the Brexit vote, compared to 49 per cent before. Approval rates fell in Spain to 68 per cent, but rose in the other four big continental member states – Germany, France, Italy and Poland.
Very interesting - the greatest advert for the benefits of the EU has been a referendum where the outcome was a preference for leaving 🙂
As a committed Remainer who's spent time living in France and has always seen the EU as a good thing I have to admit I've been utterly complacent about its benefits and always assumed most other people accepted it to, accepting that while it had faults, the essential purpose of binding European people together was seen as an overall worthwhile objective.
To be honest I think that's still true - all that's happened really is that a few far-Right individuals have (like another certain Far Right individual 80 years ago) exploited the fear of change and realisation that the economy's in serious long term trouble to serve their own agenda...
Now we see those benefits at risk and we see what we'll lose by leaving, it's interesting that public opinion is swaying back towards remain...
IMO there's a deliberate campaign by all the vested interests in Remain (most of the Press, most MPs, large corporates, BoE, most European Heads of State, America (for now), foreign investors e.g. Japan, the City (all very powerful groups) to bring about buyers' remorse and bring us to a point of either a second referendum or a general election fought purely on EU membership. If I were running that campaign I'd be doing my best to publicise polls like this and I'd also recognise that we need to experience some real pain to ensure a clear mandate for Remain next time the vote goes to the People. Whether Theresa May is part of this campaign or not, I'm really not sure...
Despite considering myself 100% absolutely anti-Tory on ideological principles, I was actually pretty shocked to realise that I would vote for any main party, EVEN Tory, if they promised to scrap Brexit.
They won't though so it's a moot point, but still.
Reuters did an interesting piece on the change in Theresa May's language on Brexit last week. Just observational, but interesting.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN13D0MK?utm_source=applenews
Meanwhile if we're doing the winds of change, it appears even Mother Nature is against Brexiteers.
http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN13D0MK?utm_source=applenews < :wink:
PS sorry if these have been done, I've had a day or two detoxing from this thread.
