More shite..
#letsmakeBrexiteerspay
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It looks like EU might even disintegrate in the next few years probably earlier than predicted. 😆
What if there is no more EU say in 2 years time. 😛
I need my hat-trick ... 
It looks like EU might even disintegrate in the next few years probably earlier than predicted
If brexit goes ahead I wouldn't be massively supprised as it might well be the snowflake that started the avalanche, humans in not making small concessions to the massive detriment of all shocker.
Population graphhs and movement are very difficult to interpret, surely Gaza must be a wonderful place to live as the population has gone from 600,000 to 1,800,000 in 20 years ?
Bush would have done it anyway.
Exactly.
Dreadfully round number that @bikebouy ?
How much of a refund from the EU should the rest of the world get when the total mismanagement of the € crushes world growth and quite probably causes a global recession ?
Edukator why should the UK stay in a club and pay £10bn a year for the privilige of being insulted whilst the rest of the EU sells us more than we buy ? The fact is EU politicians have been insulting us for years for "holding back" their pet project, staying outside Shengen and not joining the euro. All very smart moves in hindsight. I have certainly seen the light since early 2000's
EU sells us more than we buy
how's that then?
The EU sells you exactly what you buy from the EU.
I think the insults started with Faridge, check out his EU parliament performances.
Staying outside Shengen made no practical difference, there's the Channel. Moving the border to France made a big practical difference as asylum seekers can't get onto English soil to claim asylum, say "merci".
The UK economy may have benefited from being in the euro, there is no comparison.
Just bear in mind that Britain is a tiny proportion of EU trade and the EU is a very big part of British trade.
The Euro seems to be doing just fine at present, unlike the pound. A bankrupt Greece is less of a problem to the EU than the bankrupt northern rust towns to the UK.
Exactly, and now with Boris threatening Italy with prosecco sales, I think the Italians did well not to laugh him out of the building, its like he's trying to bluff at poker but everyone knows our hand is an off suit 3 and 7.
It's embarrassingly cringe worthy.
how's that then?
Well spotted, actually it would have been hard to miss 😳 sells us more than they buy ...
Farage doesn't represent the Government, do the EU leaders mock France for Le Pen ... there are no shortage of eurosceptic MEPs. Edukator had we been on the euro we'd have been legally on the hook for a big chunk of the Greek bailout and by being outside the euro we where able to enact QE when it was needed not the too late version of the ECB
bluff at poker but everyone knows our hand is an off suit 3 and 7.
Did you watch the Newsnight interview with the Dutch Finance Minister I posted. A hard Brexit would cost Holland €10bn pa, that's their figure.
and the UK figure is £100millions .
or even billions .
Ever played poker with 27 other people who can share their hands? Nope, me neither 💡
Edukator had we been on the euro we'd have been legally on the hook for a big chunk of the Greek bailout
Progress!! Previously you had claimed that we were on the hook as it was - but wasnt.
But frankly it doesnt matter - if Europe stagnates so do we. There is nothing to gain in a lose:lose scenario and being happy that Europe has problems ignores the fact that we remain interdependent Brexshit or no Brexshit
TMH difference between the 2010 and 2014 (?) bailouts and the scenario where the whole thing blows up where we wouod have been dragged in, no doubt in my mind as you know. I think we will still get a call via the IMF but we will have The Donald putting the brakes on the whole thing.
and the UK figure is £100millions
No that's some sort of cumulative guesstimate over 5 years. We will have to wait for the actaul Autumn Statement next week to see what the numbers are and how they have been calculated.
No that's some sort of cumulative guesstimate over 5 years. We will have to wait for the actaul Autumn Statement next week to see what the numbers are and how they have been calculated.
you mean it's a number you don't agree with...
TMH difference between the 2010 and 2014 (?) bailouts and the scenario where the whole thing blows up where we wouod have been dragged in, no doubt in my mind as you know. I think we will still get a call via the IMF but we will have The Donald putting the brakes on the whole thing.
I simply don't understand this at all other than you are slightly backtracking on your previous position. In the past you have incorrectly described what happened in previous bailouts, and the current status of our exposure to the EZ. That is what I do know and understand. I have no idea what the point about Trump and the IMF is about. You contine to appear confused in this issue but I'm not sure whether this is deliberate or not.
How much is the CETA deal going to be worth to the EU states
could that offset their losses from a hard Brexit
of course we'll not see any benefits of that, once we are out
Then there are the advantages of being within a currency and free-movement zone.
Tourism; two less problems for your tourists. The cost and hassle of a passport can put people off a short stay.
Business; no currency risk or cost of hedging it, fixed prices. Easier accounting. Less time and money lost in transport. "Rip of Britain" is partly the result of a currency set to suit the city rather than the British economy as a whole. The BOE manages for the city.
Less risk of a currency failure not more.
Britain was quite happy to let Greece run up its debt. I'd like to bet the extra interest gained over the years with rates around 25% is greater than the currently outstanding debt. "Bailing out" Greece has made investors a fortune. My only gripe is that it's the private banks that have made the money while the IMF and ECB have taken the risk.
I see that Lord Kerr (who wrote article 50) thinks that "we British are so bloody stupid and need an injection of intelligent people, young people who come in and wake us up from time to time". The guy seems to be the foil remain need to combat Boris.
I't stuff like this that prove the case for us to be out of the Union. Free Yorkshire end the UK now!
oh no i was joking about the anti metricers a few pages back
they are real!
https://www.ft.com/content/509006b8-acb7-11e6-ba7d-76378e4fef24
Volkswagen cutting 30,000 jobs. Can you imagine the Brexit hysteria there would be if this was a British company or one located here
@mt Europhile in EU supportive statement shocker
The carmaker will lose 5 per cent of its workforce but promised it would make the cuts through natural attrition and not using compulsory redundancies after striking an agreement with the influential works council labour union.
itll be a bit different if our automotive companies just up leave for the single market 😉
Volkswagen cutting 30,000 jobs. Can you imagine the Brexit hysteria there would be if this was a British company or one located here
no redundancies and c9000 new jobs to be created.
oh and VW shares are up, so someone thinks it is a good idea.
Most of the job losses through not replacing people who retire.
The carmaker will lose 5 per cent of its workforce but promised it would make the cuts through natural attrition and not using compulsory redundancies after striking an agreement with the influential works council labour union.
Can you imagine the Corbyn-bashing hysteria there would be if this was a British company or one located here that had unions strong enough to protect jobs rather than just be ordered back to work after a court grants an injunction?
VW does have a manufacturing plant here, its called Bentley.
Supreme Court allows Scottish and Welsh governments to intervene in Art 50 case and expats and workers’ union too.
[url= https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.html ]https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.html[/url]
Live stream of proceedings too...
Volkswagen cutting 30,000 jobs [b]worldwide[/b]. Can you imagine the Brexit hysteria there would be if this was a British company or one located here
FIFY.
the same VW that spunked a hefty chunk of revenue up the wall as a result of installing cheat software in it's ECUs?
all the work of 'rogue engineers', aye? 🙄
VW could be hit hard if we leave the Customs Union… especially if paired with an economic downturn across the EU…
I take no joy in the fact that we're likely to be messing up companies, and their staff, all over Europe, not just here, when we finally leave, especially if it's a cold hard break.
Current VW issues aren't really linked to Brexit it any way… but what they decide to do in 2 or 3 years time probably will be.
Do you really think Audi fan bois and California hipsters are going to buy Nissans (assuming Renault gets the conditions May promised) or Astras (assuming GM continues to support Brexit strongholds)? VW has got nothing to worry about in the UK because their customers are prepared to pay over the odds for the VW image.
How does the court rulings above affect proceedings? Is there a chance of salvation or has our demise just been delayed?
If the court rules parliment must vote on A50 as is the current interpretation of UK law, then it may not get voted in.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-fresh-blow-for-theresa-may-as-supreme-court-rules-scotland-and-wales-can-intervene-in-article-a7424796.html ]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-fresh-blow-for-theresa-may-as-supreme-court-rules-scotland-and-wales-can-intervene-in-article-a7424796.html[/url]
Very unlikely though that enough mp will vote against it.
Will the court rule on the initial claim and then on the subsequent or does one ruling cover them all?
Very unlikely though that enough mp will vote against it.
I suspect you are right, but June through to March is a long time, and there does seem less and less appetite for Brexit apart from the the hardcore nutters, so the will of the people might be more favourable to staying in.
I take no joy in the fact that we're likely to be messing up companies, and their staff, all over Europe, not just here, when we finally leave, especially if it's a cold hard break.
Sort of related to that - the whole idea of cross-border standards, laws, regulations etc that apply to companies and to products...
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/11/brexit-nightmare-we-will-soon-be-unable-ignore
Unless there is another referendum before the MP vote, there is no way of having people view on Brexit at that point.
And another referendum is never going to happen.
Edukator had many VWs (6) and an Audi and a Porsche plus two Mistsubishis, 2 Toyotas, a Honda and wife has a Nissan. Loooking at another car at the moment as likely to be Japaneese as German. It won't be "American" so no Ford or Vauxhaul.
Most VW job losses in Germany, 20% of their workforce.
how old are you? i thought you kept cars for 10 years?
Supreme Court allows Scottish and Welsh governments to intervene in Art 50 case and expats and workers’ union too.https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.html
Live stream of proceedings too...
Cannot wait to see the Wail's headline tomorrow 😆
Not sure if this is [i]that[/i] significant, unless I've misunderstood it.
I think it means Scotland and Wales can provide arguements in existing supreme court appeal? Which would just make it slightly more likely for supreme court to uphold original ruling (to remains benefit).
Or can Supreme Court say "actually you need more than a bill in Parliment, you need agreement from devolved assemblies"?
And in terms of where they were made?
3 x French
2 x British
2 x German
1 x Italian
1 x Spanish
1 x African/French
In 38 years, some being jointly owned with Madame. The shortest ownership was an Audi at 2 months, greedy on fuel, a disappointing drive. The longest a Peugeot at 17 years.
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Supreme Court allows Scottish and Welsh governments to intervene in Art 50 case and expats and workers’ union too.
> https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/interveners-article-50-brexit-case.htmlLive stream of proceedings too...
Cannot wait to see the Wail's headline tomorrow
Online comments in meltdown already
That horrible scottish imp should be locked in the tower.
Get rid of the sour faced Gorbals cow and give us all a bit peace, and save our money!
the fish breathed Crankie won't end up stopping it. She clearly wants to annoy us enough to kick Scotland out of the Union. What she doesn't realise is that without English money the Scots are finished
It says that it is very unlikely that the Court will agree that Scottish parliament need to vote too.
At least brexit and the claims of a return of soveriegnty have been showed to be a sham.
The brexiters are, and never have been interested in it.
