Let's wait and see what's agreed on beer, wine and spirits. French offer tva refund on exports ?
Hmm I never really understood how Customs&Excise could set limits on how much you could bring back from EU countries, didn't seem inline wiv the EU free movement of goods....
You could bring back as much as you want provided it was for personal consumption. So they assumed if you are bringing back a transit van a week it was unlikely to be for personal use as you'd be dead of alcoholism.
I speak German well enough to follow a Merkel speech perfectly. I've watched a lot of interviews with her over the years and she is very much in favour of freedom of movement. It won't be her that negociates it away. She lived in a divided Germany and fought against the divide. She opened the frontiers to how many refugees? And she's only the start of your worries. Have a look at what some of the politicians from the other 25 countries you have to get on board are saying. Then ther are the Americans to worry about or have you already forgotten Obama's last-in-the-queue comment.
Dream on Brexiters.
or have you already forgotten Obama's last-in-the-queue comment.Dream on Brexiters.
ahh but its trumplandia now
Ambassador Farage will really spoil us 😉
Yup, protectionist, isolationist Trump.
So all the hopes are that Merkel will compromise, great how do you get the rest of the members to vote for. It?
They do what Germnay tells than to do....it the EU
It won't be her that negociates it away.
I'll bet it won't be her too. Federal elections next year
She opened the frontiers to how many refugees?
Indeed, see above
Dutch ministry have estimated a hard Brexit will cost then €10bn a year (discussed during Newsnight Interview below). That's a lot of money for a country of 17 million people. When pressed on making a a deal all the Finance Minister could say was he wished the UK wasn't leaving the EU and ending freedom of movement whilst retaining single market access was poltically difficult. Yup agreed but there are 10 billion reasons per anum for Holland alone to make it worth the effort.
Interesting Edukator, as I posted she has described inviting the whole of Syria to Germany as a mistake even if only 1 million (mostly not Syrians) turned up, Germany is passing a law stopping EU nationals claiming unemployment benefit for 5 years (current bill €850m pa) .... I think behind the scenes she'll be pushing for restrictions
Then there are the Americans to worry about or have you already forgotten Obama's last-in-the-queue comment
The queue was only ever 1 deal long, TTIP. That's dead now. Trump said we'd be first in the queue which actually won't be difficult as it's zero deals long now 🙂
Story in the Guardian that there could be a European Travel Registration system as per the US for UK citizens, gosh €5 for 5 years unlimited entries. Bargain where do I sign up ?
When pressed on making a a deal all the Finance Minister could say was he wished the UK wasn't leaving the EU and ending freedom of movement whilst retaining single market access was politically difficult.
From 2 mins on he says its impossible to achieve he says impossible a number of times.he says it numerous time to various questions Your account is wrong- have you linked the correct video? He just seems to say we cannot have soft brexit and everyone loses. I am not sure how this in anyway helps substantiate your view.
If it costs them £10 billion - and he says worse off for both - then how much does it cost us?
Or is this another case where you point out how only the EU will be harmed and ignore the fact we will be harmed?
Dijsselbloem told the BBC’s Newsnight: “I think he’s[Boris] offering to the British people options that are really not available. For example, to say we could be inside the internal market but be outside the customs union, this is impossible, it just doesn’t exist. The opposite does exist. We have a customs union with Turkey but Turkey is not part of the internal market.“He’s saying things that are intellectually impossible, politically unavailable, so I think he’s not offering the British people a fair view of what is available and what can be achieved in these negotiations.”
For example, to say we could be inside the internal market but be outside the customs union, this is impossible, it just doesn’t exist.
Which is of course correct, but it is not what BoJo said. He talked about [u]access[/u] to the single market which loads of countries have, not being a member of it. The question is upon what terms that can be achieved.
“We want to leave the EU legal framework and treaties. We will probably have to leave the customs union, but that is a question that will be discussed,” Johnson told Czech daily Hospodarske Noviny, in remarks published in Czech.“I believe it can be done and at the same time maintain free trade and growing European economies.”
Free trade does not equal membership of single market, although that would be one way of achieving it, zero tariff trade agreements would achieve the same result.
Financial Times reporting that...
UK faces £100bn Brexit hole in budget Autumn Statement to reveal hit to growth and tax income over next five years.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38000580 ]and what a ridiculous state of affairs[/url] 😯
[url= http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/deutschlands-fluechtlinge-in-grafiken-13867210.html ]Syrians are the biggest group in recent German immigration[/url] by a huge margin. Graph half way down the page.
the majority according to FAZkommt die Mehrheit aus Syrien
He talked about access to the single market
Indeed. Just as I have access to a Mercedes dealership. I just walk across the forecourt and there I am. Can I get a free Merc?
If a hard brexit will cost them 10bn, what will a soft brexit cost them vs us staying in?
It's like appeasement, what's next been asked for, Belgium free access with no fees to pay?
As always Jambalaya you are more interested in the damage and difficulties to all eu countries except the UK.
Head in the sand, can't face reality?
The refugee crisis is out of the EU's control. It is from what I can see a result of huge population growth in unstable countries that are unable to feed, or provide for their inhabitants. This has the potential to get even worse with climate change. If you lived in one of those countries imagine how bad we would have to make their experience of life living in Europe to make it a worse option than to stay at home.
None of the solutions offered by the left or right really do anything to fix the problem that people have babies. It is the best free way of having fun and it offers a chance of security. As far as I can see the best ways to deal with the crisis would be to spend billions sorting out the mess in Syria, Afganistan and Somali for example. This includes education and birth control. If one also goes down the right wing route of supporting European culture it may be a good idea to support families so they are secure and able to have more children.
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It is from what I can see a result of huge population growth in unstable countries that are unable to feed, or provide for their inhabitants.
Not war then?
War comes under unstable. Maybe understating things.
"He talked about access to the single market which loads of countries have, not being a member of it."
Yeah, the biggest misunderstanding of the Referendum campaign was the idea that you don't have trade access to the EU unless you're a member.
You do, which is why you can buy South African wine and Chinese electronics.
Who started the wars that displaced all those people in the first three countries on your list GEDA? That's right, Tony Blair (Bush wouldn't have acted without him and it was Blair that provided the necessary lies). Britain.
Maybe if Eu countries, the US and Russia stopped bombing the hell of Syria and others there would not be so many refugees.
GEDA - Member
War comes under unstable. Maybe understating things.
Maybe that's the greatest understatement on this thread, even including jamby's farcical comments on negative impacts of Brexit on the uk economy
Bush wouldn't have acted without him
Is this actually true?
Maybe understating things.
Could you explain it to me then?
You say it's population growth, and show a graph of population in Somalia, but that country doesn't even feature on your graph of top 10 asylum seekers.
The top one is Syria, a country that prior to civil war, was a reasonable economy that could more than cope with it's population (all be it under Assad).
Cheers.
It's all a bit off topic though......
Blair has a lot to answer for, and I'm in no way admonishing him, but Bush would've happily have gone along regardless.
I'm pretty sure there was a memo or phone call where bush said as much
Syria and the west have been fighting for the last 30 years through proxies. Syria under Assad was the route of 90% of foreign fighters into Iraq, Lockerbie, etc
Bush tried to get other countries on board for his crusade and failed. Jacques Chirac relates how Bush tried to persuade him that that going into Iraq would fulfill biblical prophesies. Bush needed at least one significant ally and got Blair on board, it was getting Blair on board and Blair's WMD lies that Bush used to tip the balance in favour of war in the US. Chirac and Dominique de Villepin were aware of what the plan was thus the properly prophetic speech by de Villepin to the UN.
[url= http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2007/09/17/un-petit-scoop-sur-bush-chirac-dieu-gog-et-magog-2911 ]Here's the original article in Nouvel obs'[/url], just Google "Chirac Bush Gog Magog" or similar for something in English. Blair and religious nut wife were no doubt more enthusiastic about the idea than Chirac.
Other explanations are possible
Edit: [url= http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/26/735697/- ]A not very reputable version in Enlish[/url]
Bush would have done it anyway.
Nobel idea, but remember Brexit is about pulling up the drawbridge and using foreign aid as a bargaining chip.As far as I can see the best ways to deal with the crisis would be to spend billions sorting out the mess in Syria, Afganistan and Somali for example.
“Our focus is poverty reduction – but that doesn’t mean we should exclude the whole area of trade and trade opportunities. British soft power is exactly where DfID [the Department for International Development], and our aid and other relationships around the world, come together to deliver in our national interest and deliver for Britain when it comes to free trade agreements but also life post-Brexit.” said humanitarian superstar Priti Patel.
Off topic???
Brexit=people don't like migrants.
Migrants are the result of external geopolitical forces
Unstable I though was a pretty common term for a country with problems to a failed state. [url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index ]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index[/url]
[url= https://www.google.se/amp/s/climateandsecurity.org/2012/02/29/syria-climate-change-drought-and-social-unrest/amp/ ]https://www.google.se/amp/s/climateandsecurity.org/2012/02/29/syria-climate-change-drought-and-social-unrest/amp/[/url]
[url= https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-hastened-the-syrian-war/ ]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-hastened-the-syrian-war/[/url]
[url= http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-syria-war-climate-change-drought/ ]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-syria-war-climate-change-drought/[/url]
Brexit=people don't like migrants.
Migrants are the result of external geopolitical forces
What external geopolitical force has caused almost a million British people to move to Spain?
I don't think Brexit was saying "We want our old age pensioners back!"
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You said above that people were migrants because their home countries were unable to accommodate them and now you saying it is because external geopolitical forces?
Maybe we should drop condoms instead of bombs.
I don't think Brexit was saying "We want our old age pensioners back!"
That is not the point, they are migrants and apparently "Migrants are the result of external geopolitical forces" which is clearly not true and why I used migration to Spain as an example.
There will also be many migrants in the UK who live in UK just because they like it more/want to for whatever reason
And another firm , Deloitte, warns that they will move some business out of UK if immigration becomes too difficult.
Pensioners migrating in Spain is due to geopolitical forces. Political as in this case able to do it due to a political legal framework and economic as it is cheaper and they get a better quality of life.
Simple Definition of geopolitics
: the study of how geography and economics have an influence on politics and on the relations between nations
: the political and geographic parts of something
I thought it was the weather 😉
Looks like Nigel and his friends may have broken eu funding rules.
Oh dear.
As I swam along in the sunshine catching a glimpse of the snowy mountains on each stroke I can't say I was too concerned by the geopolitical forces that must have driven me to 43°N
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/16/european-ministers-boris-johnson-prosecco-claim-brexit ]Compulsory reading for Jamba[/url] What the EU politicians are really saying.
So that's what Jambalaya looks like.
“He’s saying things that are intellectually impossible, politically unavailable, so I think he’s not offering the British people a fair view of what is available and what can be achieved in these negotiations.”
TBF, thats what the great unwashed want to hear. So who is the fool.....?
Boris increasingly reminds me of one of those blokes being constantly promoted because of his incompetence.
