more good news.
I like Carney.
Google just announced 1bn investment in london.
Good news.
more good news.
With the Guardian losing £60m last year the good news is we probably won't have to read their anti-Brexit tripe any more.
Edukator IMF projected UK to have the best growth of any G7 nation, will check the period when back from cinema (€6 for two tcikets to see Snowden).
My point about Germany was two fold, 1 growth slowing generally and 2 Brexit negatively impacting Germany so it makes economic sense for them to agree a sensible deal. Of course EU politics may win the day but Germany carries a big stick re the €
you might have wished to address the issue rather than shoot the messenger...well someone rational would want to that ...ah I see the flaw thereWith the Guardian losing £60m last year the good news is we probably won't have to read their anti-Brexit tripe any more.
It was £69 m - that was almost close enough for you to have guessed a fact.
In jambyland everyone is being negatively affected by this but us...we are rather lucky arent weBrexit negatively impacting Germany
[url= http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2016/02/pdf/tblpartb.pdf ]IMF GDP projections in its October bulletin.[/url]
Among the lowest of the G7 nations for 2017. The UK has gone from best to worst in the months following the Brexit vote.
They are always asking for contributions towards funding independent journalism, now more than ever.
With the Guardian losing £60m last year the good news is we probably won't have to read their anti-Brexit tripe any more.
and what greater encouragement could there be than more hateful spiel from our favourite brexiteer.
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Good news with Google but they also want free movement of people.
A bit like Nissan and India.
More foreigners coming in the UK, not good for Brexiters.
the good news is we probably won't have to read their anti-Brexit tripe any more.
Those bastards lefty journos with their [b]facts[/b] ruining your fantasy Brexit reality eh?
How very dare they!
Google 3000 jobs in London good news, my mate Bob from Hartlepool will be getting his CV straight in, bound to need a fork lift to move all that cloud.... sorry had a shit day sarcasm back in box.
Those bastards lefty journos with their facts
😆 Pravda will be flattered comrade.
India
India doesn't have a free movement deal with the EU - or anywhere else AFAIK.
No but they want their people to get visas, not a stricter immigration policy.
And the ceo of Google just said the same.
Or
I fixed! Yes? 😛Those [s]bastards lefty[/s] leftard journos with their [b]twisted[/b] facts [b]tried to[/b] ruin[s]ing[/s] [s]your fantasy[/s] Brexit reality. [s]eh?[/s]
No.
*Facepalm*
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37990316 ]Barack Obama warns of rise of crude nationalism[/url]
No but they want their people to get visas, not a stricter immigration policy.
And the ceo of Google just said the same.
Visas are stricter than the EU status quo though. Visas do not equal free movement. Good to hear these businesses promoting free movement and linking it to their commitments.
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Edukator. IMF said we'd be the fastest growing G7 economy for 2016, 2017 has a lot of variables. I'll wager they are wrong like usual. Note they said if we voted Leave we'd plunge into a recssion immediately, global recession too remember
cchris India didn't ask for freedom of movement just more visas, May said that's ok but the 30,000 overstayers have to leave. Nissan and Google can get the people they need via a Visa system. Neither Japan nor US have freedom of movement.
I'll wager they are wrong like usual. Note they said if we voted Leave we'd plunge into a recssion immediately, global recession too remember
So as usual it doesn't agree wrong.
Let me know when the UK leaves the eu then the true effects will be known, this downturn is all due to the possibility of leaving.
no , she did not say it was ok . she said the current system is fine and wont be increased unless you are a billionaire planning to buy penthouses in mayfair . The Indians were not happy either with the 30000 she wants to send back .
yes you re right , they can get visas , but how is it going to work if immigration is limited to 100000 ?not everyone is going to get a visa ? how is it going to be decided ?
The big businesses seem pretty confident on getting what they want .
re Google its not about movement of people. People always go abroad to work, study or holiday etc. Surely the point is who writes the rules on this for UK? Us or the EU. and yes, when we write the rules then hopefully we will pick and choose who comes in and who gets to stay. what other country doesn't do this? You try applying for a work permit or a passport in USA (even pre Trump!) or citizenship of Japan, China etc.
Rules don't mean no one gets to come in, just that we choose who and precisely what rights they get - to work - study - stay - vote - claim benefits etc.
Edukator - wanted to add we always said there would be a Brexit dip but it would be manageable, the fact we are able to weather that from a period of relative economic strength is all the better. The future is much brighter outside the EU than in it.
Big business always sounds confident, CEOs are in the sounding confident in public business.
Rules don't mean no one gets to come in, just that we choose who and precisely what rights they get - to work - study - stay - vote - claim benefits etc.
Not quite that simple.
Rules mean you can't just go and look for work. They make moving a major life decision. I am entitled to a US green card, but the process is long and bureaucratic, and I can't simply pop over and get a job. I have to actually go through an emmigration process. If I could have just picked up a contract over there I would have in the past - just for the hell of it.
I should be in Switzerland now working for the Swiss branch of my own employer - so an *inter company* assignment. And I can't, because they have to apply for a work permit that costs £1000 and takes weeks to get. So the project is suffering. That is NOT equivalent to EU style free movement. It is a barrier to people moving, and it is a barrier to business.
I should be in Switzerland now working for the Swiss branch of my own employer - so an *inter company* assignment. And I can't, because they have to apply for a work permit that costs £1000 and takes weeks to get. So the project is suffering.
Only if you are going for more than three months surely? Less than three months you just need to register.
In other words, they could get you over tomorrow, and then apply for the permit if they thought you would be needed for longer.
so that us ****ed then, how much cash is going to go to Nissan and the rest?
and throw into the mix that when the french off load the border back to the UK sealing trade won't be hard.
sounding confident in public business
Is that not your business?
I'm sure you're intelligent enough to be able to accept the damage being done to the UK in private.
just remember it is BJ . he talks sxxt all the time .
wanted to add we always said there would be a Brexit dip but it would be manageable, the fact we are able to weather that from a period of relative economic strength is all the better. The future is much brighter outside the EU than in it.
You're sounding less and less sure of yourself as this thread progresses.
In other words, they could get you over tomorrow, and then apply for the permit if they thought you would be needed for longer.
You'll forgive me for taking the advice of my company's Swiss immigration specialist team over you on this matter 🙂 I can only go for 8 days without anything. Otherwise I have to go through the notification procedure, which takes a while to do. The work permit requires specific dates, and because the project is flexible I don't have specific dates. So we have to fix them anyway and risk wasting our time and admin resources.
Easy it ain't.
Us or the EU. and yes, when we write the rules then hopefully we will pick and choose who comes in and who gets to stay.
It works both ways though. Many will not chose to work in the UK if it involves considerable expense and delay. This would put us at a disadvantage to the EU, where there is more skilled labour. A company like Google will want to recruit from the largest pool of labour possible.
You're sounding less and less sure of yourself as this thread progresses.
You are new to this thread because that's exactly what I said many times before I started on the EU Referendum as soonas the Tories won a majority.
Obama was in Greece today calling for debt relief but acknowledging that was politically difficult (translation Merkel and Hollande in particular cannot admit the €175bn their two countries have "lent" to Greece is in fact a gift from their taxpayers)
http://www.dw.com/en/in-greece-obama-calls-for-debt-relief/a-36404396
All we have learned from the sewage-storm directed at Bannon is that the Establishment plays dirty
Exactly, couple that with the current governments stated aim to reduce immigration to a random small number will see it becoming very difficult to get any people. Whats the point of recruiting somebody who may take months to get a visa or whats the point of applying if you have no idea how the lottery will go.
If you take a look at the UK jobs market then what is needed is fruit/veg pickers (as nobody seems inclined to move out to linconshire when they become unemployed), cleaners, and other low paid work that many Brits want nothing to do with.
Given the low unemployment rate if you stop/reduce immigration then there will be worker shortage. That could be sorted by a general shrinking of the economyand when business decides that they can work better in other countries without such arbitary restrictions.
It's fairly obvious the bankers etc. getting laid off in the city won't be taking up that veg picking job so thats a tax loss for the government too.
Australian and Canadian immigrations are set up to grow the population. A lot of people taking advantage of EU freedom of movement aren't looking to stay, simply get a job for a short while. However many of them stay anyway. Those are the ones we'll lose.
Bollocks 🙂 We love Boris.
Referring to the free movement of people that the EU now insists is a key part of membership, he said: “It’s a total myth - nonsense. It is stupid to say that freedom of movement is a fundamental right.“The Brownian motion of people across Europe is not something that was in the founding Treaty of Rome in 1957, it was not in the Nice Treaty, and it was not in the Maastricht Treaty. It’s something that has been acquired by a series of decisions by the courts.
“And everyone now has in his head that every human being has a fundamental, God-given right to go and move wherever he wants. But it is not.
“It was never a founding principle of the European Union. It’s a complete myth. Total myth.”
Johnson, who led the Vote Leave campaign, added:[b] “The idea that freedom of movement is a fundamental right of the EU is just bollocks[/b].”
Is that the same Boris?
In his Telegraph column, Boris set out his vision of the future of Britain, saying EU citizens living in Britain will have ‘their rights fully protected’ and claimed Britain will be able to access the single market.
He continued: ‘I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.‘There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
‘EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.
Honestly hard to take anything he "promises" or "claims" seriously these days. Almost becoming a parody of himself
I think Boris is probably right in that we will leave the Customs Union ("CU"), there is a clear logic to this position in that if we don't it is my understanding we won't be able to benefit from pursuing an independent international trade policy, which would leave as in the position of the downside of a looser relationship with the EU with only the limited upside of deregulating the home market. Therefore very little will be achieved. At least by leaving the CU we will have much greater upside potential but we will have to mitigate the downside as best we can, but it is in everyone's interest to make it work.
It was never a founding principle of the European Union.
So what? It's a principle now. One which I quite like. And benefits the economy. And whilst I have a great deal of sympathy with the poor and disadvantaged (kind of the whole point of being a lefty) I don't think it need disadvantage them either. It can be used to cut costs, which causes problems for poor people - but then so do lots of things and we aren't falling over each other to ban them are we?
It's always been a principle right from the start, though the precise details of the implementation have evolved over time.
Imagine if we'd never had freedom of movement. Offices I work in that are full of people from all over Europe would be only British.
Some people might be happy about that, but not me.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/15/supreme-court-judges-views-on-article-50-legislation-anger-leave-campaigners ]Another enemy of the people throwing a spanner in the works[/url]
and to quote...
The former work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith said Hale had pro-EU views and warned that it was not the job of judges to tell parliament what to do. Duncan Smith said: “This is a very big step. If they were to do this it’s a constitutional crisis. What the judges will decide on at the supreme court is whether or not the government can use its executive powers to trigger article 50.“[b]It is not their job to tell parliament … how they should go about that business, that’s for parliament to decide[/b].”
He said “the individual concerned” had always opposed Britain leaving the EU, and said that he did not believe that would be a majority view in the supreme court.
The Conservative MP Dominic Raab said: “If judges dip their toes in political waters by making speeches outside the courtroom, they are asking to get splashed back.”
Raab did not question whether the comments suggested which way Hale would sway but argued that she simply should not have made any public comments. “I’m all for democratic debate. But you can’t have it both ways. If such a senior judge muses in public about a pending supreme court judgment, the judiciary can hardly scream blue murder if politicians, the media or public respond,” he said.
After the outcry over the high court ruling, the prime minister was told to calm the “mob”, with the former attorney general Dominic Grieve saying the coverage “started to make one think that one was living in Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe”.
To repeat this classic
“[b]It is not their job to tell parliament … how they should go about that business, that’s for parliament to decide[/b].”
I think the judgemnet did that exactly, it told the PM that it was for Paliament to decide and that seems to be what has got them all so upset.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37995606 ]How to use Boris ,Intellectually and vision in the same sentence[/url] 😀
What a mess!
