I know it was posted on the previous page but it's worth highlighting...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948
One throwaway "oh we'll have a referendum" from Dave and that was it. How easy it can be to totally ruin an entire country. Well done Dave.
Dave should speak out, really.
Didn't we previously see a 'budget' for Brexit, and some of us suggested it was missing at least one zero - pretty sure we were told we didn't have a clue...
Dave should speak out, really.
Probably too busy enjoying the multi-millionaire lifestyle with his gold-plated pension.
people frequently make comments about how our grandfathers generation fought a war against Nazism.
In my case, it was my father's.
Concerns about immigration are fine, demonising inmigrants ... - certain elements of the Brexit campaign are exactly the thing some of our grandfathers generation gave their lives fighting against.
I don't disagree that some elements fit this description, but, in my view, this is a small minority. Whatever the truth, there is political disagreement and the church should take great care when broaching such subjects. This is especially the case on Remembrance Day, when in my view political controversy should be avoided.
Seriously you lot ... 😆
Can't you even wait few more months for the world most powerful man to take charge of office in Merica first before complaining?
At least see where Merican is heading don't you think so? 😆
30,000 extra civil servants, for how long the 10- 20 years it'll take to sort out the trade deals?
The sentiment of leave voters on the interment seems to be ' just get it don't
Like it's just a case of organising a big meeting at the EU, where there's may signs a document, everyone cheers and we are back to pounds and ounces the next day, all immigrants pack up and leave and all subtitled dramas on bbc4 will be immediately replaced with re-runs of dads army and open all hours .
Re: the church - what is it for if it can't preach about tolerance on Remembrance Sunday?
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Especially at a time when the country is bitterly divided (over leaving the mechanism that's helped keep Europe war free for the last 40 years) after a campaign riddled with lies and xenophobia.
Like it's just a case of organising a big meeting at the EU, where there's may signs a document, everyone cheers and we are back to pounds and ounces the next day, all immigrants pack up and leave and all subtitled dramas on bbc4 will be immediately replaced with re-runs of dads army and open all hours .
Careful. Somebody in the cabinet may have a mountainbike and that sounds like a plan.
"So do we have to subsidise Nissan 10% for the 75% of their cars made here that are exported to the eu ?"
Yeah, why not subsidise exporters using the tarrifs we collect on imports? Seems sensible to me.
Maybe prop up our steel industry using tarrifs too.
If the EU can set tarrifs at a rate they deem appropriate for their economy why can't the UK?
All of which assumes Brexit happens in any meaningful way which is doubtful.
It estimates an additional 30,000 extra civil servants could be required to meet the workload.
Well that'll help keep the unemployment figures down.
Not really, just fill the pockets of companies like Deloitte and co.
One source said it is one of their consultant who leaked the memo.
If the EU can set tarrifs at a rate they deem appropriate for their economy why can't the UK?
Because having 500 million people is gives them greater purchasing power than ours?
How much power do we lose leaving the EU is the question
Article in today's Times, EY report suggesting up to 83,000 jobs could be lost if euro-denominated clearing business moves out of the UK.
I'm not a city-man, but Jamba how likely is this?
Well that'll help keep the unemployment figures down.
well, with pretty much full employment, we're going to need some more people....
well, with pretty much full employment, we're going to need some more people....
especially once all the keen working aged EU migrants hurry up and sling their hooks, that should mean some lucky people can have 2 jobs
Article in today's Times, EY report suggesting up to 83,000 jobs could be lost if euro-denominated clearing business moves out of the UK.
There was an article in yesterday's Times suggesting that UK businesses had withdrawn or held off on investments totalling £65bn until the after effects of Brexit are known.
Puts that £350 million per week into perspective doesn't it?!
Yes but you can't put a price on taking back control.
br 83,000 clearing jobs - that's a ridiculously high figure. If euro clearing moved there could be some losses but imo nonwhere near 80,000. Also its worth noting London is the world's largest fx market trading dollars, yen etc etc - it does not have that status due to us being in the EU.
Must catch up on other posts ...
Government says today's "leaked memo" is a fake
Dave left them with shit on [s]both ends[/s] all of the stick 😆
Are you people not listening? IT'LL BE FINE! How many more times do you need to be told?!
Government says today's "leaked memo" is a fake
So - you're saying that they DO have a plan after all? Love to know how you know this 🙂
But large Finance Houses are already planning to move out of the UK... I've been touted twice for positions in Frankfurt and Sweden already.. I'm not the only one either. Copenhagen seems to be one of the areas most Banks are considering, I would hazzard a guess that some sweet deals are already underway.
br 83,000 clearing jobs - that's a ridiculously high figure.
Seems strange the times would quote that given their pro brexit leanings...
(edit) If you move one part of your business why not take it all
Government says today's "leaked memo" is a fake
well they would say that (did I just say that...)
I'm sure they have a good estimate of the workforce required to to complete Brexit, hardly going to break the deal if we know what sort of job the civil service has to do (obviously they know as they have a plan and will have done all of the working out already!!)
Government says today's "leaked memo" is a fake
yes of course it is, here have some more koolaid
we have [b]TOP MEN[/b] working on Brexit
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Government is not saying memo is fake, but that they don't recognise it.
It is obviously real .not officially.
Re: the church - what is it for if it can't preach about tolerance on Remembrance Sunday?
Noone said it couldn't, just care should be taken when broaching politics.
Especially at a time when the country is bitterly divided (over leaving the mechanism that's helped keep Europe war free for the last 40 years) after a campaign riddled with lies and xenophobia.
A tad melodramatic.
Seems accurate to me.
Or are you saying that you didn't find the vote leave campaign xenophobic? And they didn't lie?
Government is not saying memo is fake, but that they don't recognise it.
Yes that is true. Given the amount of flak Facebook is quite rightly currently taking over faked news stories I am going with the word fake.
Bikebouy I do find it amusing that so many here are trying to defend city employment when a few years ago banker bashing was an STW sport. I appreciate your position has been consistent. Sweden wouldn't be for me, great for 2 months a year. Frankfurt I wouldn't work in at any time of the year for any amount of money (Munich yes). I am available for immediate transfer to Geneva (last weekend of Verbier bike park was 29/30 Oct in gorgeous sunshine and the skiing opened this past weekend)
Bikebouy I do find it amusing that so many here are trying to defend city employment when a few years ago banker bashing was an STW sport.
Wasn't me.
Yes that is true. Given the amount of flak Facebook is quite rightly currently taking over faked news stories I am going with the word fake.
So either the government doesn't know how many people it needs or what needs doing (ie has no plan at all) or doesn't want to release the figures/costings at this stage as it would probably not help their A50 bill
also loving the irony
Or are you saying that you didn't find the vote leave campaign xenophobic? And they didn't lie?
Which one, there were at least three, Vote Leave, Grassroots Out and Leave.eu - it is important to recognise this. Elements of some of the campaigns were distasteful, but the same could be said about the Remain campaign. As far as numbers go and lies, their use of figures was disingenuous but it is not as if this wasn't exposed frequently during the campaign.
their use of figures was disingenuous but it is not as if this wasn't exposed frequently during the campaign.
did they write it on a bus?
I don't mind Banker Bashing, there were a lot of old school IB Guys who deserved all they got, and those that came through the ranks 10 years ago who seemed to want to follow the same mentality, again sod em'.
I too support people being able to claim PPI and Interest swap miss selling, no problem with that at all. Bankers by nature are a greedy bunch, like MP's I'd suggest. Same Shite, different colour.
And if I put my Uber right wing hat on, with all this Brexit shitehole we face, I will be too busy working flat chat earning bucketfulls of moolha lining my pockets dealing with the cacophony of Regulatory Changes. Granted I might not be able to go Paddleboard Surfing for a few years whilst I rake it in, but hey... I didn't choose Brexit, so whilst those who did continue to keep their Nasty Hat on I shall adopt it too and retire gleefully, thanks.
I feel sorry for the recent start ups', the entrepreneurs, the folks in Redcar who lost their jobs because Call Me Dave couldn't get off his arse and go up there and help them out, only for them to be kicked in the face again when our new Furhrer backhanded Nissan up the road, the miners who are about to loose their jobs, the innocent hard working families that will now end up poor and desolate, like in the 70's, once again because of a bunch of narrow minded insular self serving prats.
But my industry has been cleaning itself up, abiding by very stringent Regulation, regulations aligned to the EU and at home. We needed that, I work hard to bring that into my world. I will be here watching on the sidelines as my world here in the UK falls apart, jobs and business transfer into the EU or we shrink back even more and become Regional rather than Global in outlook, insular and lonely with no one to play with.
KerChing 😆
From the Independent. A consultant just made it up ... pitching for more work I'll bet
The report, dated 7 November, is understood to have been prepared for the Cabinet Office by a [b]consultant under his own initiative[/b], The Times reports.
and also from the times
[b]Brexit memo was seen and aided by senior civil servants.[/b] @Number10gov should stop shooting the messenger and start addressing the challenges
😳
Regarding all the fibs circulating about the government sponsored Brexit employment programme: As I understand it, the DWP and similar have not had to massively recruit very few highly competent, well trained and highly experienced Java developers and the like, as Brexit has not completely spanned the Government's IT programme, in any way.
So it's good, no, [i]great[/i] to know Brexit is not only costing us [i]no[/i] money but it's [i]actually[/i] costing us [i]less[/i] money. Than something else.
And that, as one poster (sort of) put it, means MILLIONS MORE in the FREEDOM BANK for all of us.
senior civil servants
If true, then that's a bunch more likely to know what's needed than the government. I suspect it is real and the reason the Brexmigos don't know about it is because they're clueless.
Baron - assuming you are being sarcastic there - but got a link?
Dave should speak out, really.
Article in today's Times, Dave has indeed been speaking out. Sadly it was as an after-dinner speaker to a bunch of Wall Street financiers where he was paid [b]£120,000 for a one-hour speech.[/b]
WTAF?!
Seems that memo did come from Deloitte, but the civilservice agrees anyway
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/15/brexit-civil-service-facing-its-largest-task-since-wwii-says-union ]Biggest challenge since ww2[/url]
good article that
very important to note that keeping silent just makes people think there is no plan
and public, investor and business confidence all suffers
'brexit means brexit' has never sounded so hollow
Noted @bikebouy
"Aided by Senior Civil servants" ie the Deloitte guy spoke to a few people and then wrote a report (pitch for new business) they probably knew nothing about when he spoke to them. Then he sent it to The Times ?
Supposedly Hammond will announce up to £15bn spending on infrastruture and technology to best prepare the UK for the world after Brexit. Of course that will be negative news, had he done the same after a Remain vote that would have been about time too
German growth fell to 0.2%
German growth fell to 0.2%
lets all celebrate !!
Baron - assuming you are being sarcastic there - but got a link?
Yes, I'm sorry: somewhat overly sarcastic.
No, no link. I'm comfortable enough with the validity of the claim.
You have to be careful with DWP stuff, it's not just their "customers" who can cop it.
(To be honest ^--- That's not even as vague as some of the stuff that was being thrown around, pre referendum! 😀 )
German and UK growth are both forecast at around 2% for 2016 by their respective statistics offices using a poll of polls, Jamba. For 2017 the [url= https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/561139/PU797_Forecast_for_the_UK_Economy_Oct_2016_covers.pdf ]UK governments average figure is 1%[/url]whilst the [url= https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/73769/umfrage/prognosen-zur-entwicklung-des-deutschen-bip/ ]German figure is around 1.4%[/url]. If you are saying Germany is bad then the UK is worse.
