Well at least now voting for Brexit is only the second most stupid thing of 2016.........
So what happens next, the people who have been shafted, and voted for this are still going to get shafted?
The Dutch don't allow you to hold a second EU (European?) passport. I doubt the UK would rescind allowing multiple EU passports as it costs us nothing to allow a Brit to hold another EU passport, the costs are all on the EU. The UK is one of the most flexible in terms of granting citizenship and allowing multiple passports.
This amused the hell out of me. Apparantly Farage and Aaron Banks are on the way to NY, Nige is lobbying for a role representing the US in Brussels 🙂 As many have said the EU detests the US, there is open hostility in Brussels. Give them their own medicine back in spades. Quotes from SKY
Mr Farage has said that he would consider a role in Donald Trump's administration."He will be in need of a proper Eurosceptic ambassador in Brussels for the European Union,' he told LBC radio.
Mr Farage has said that he would consider a role in Donald Trump's administration.
I though head brown noser had been applied for by a couple in here?
He probably just wants the uniform to go chasing immigrants
My French passport is cheaper than the UK one so the UK is losing whatever profit it makes on a passport every ten years, Jamba (an insignificant sum I know). As you point out some other EU countries are not as flexible on dual nationality as the UK and France so people might have to make a choice if they wish to stay in Europe after Brexit.
The Dutch don't allow you to hold a second EU (European?) passport. I doubt the UK would rescind allowing multiple EU passports as it costs us nothing to allow a Brit to hold another EU passport, the costs are all on the EU. The UK is one of the most flexible in terms of granting citizenship and allowing multiple passports.
How would the good friday agreement hold up if the UK government declares that all in NI have to pick a British passport? OR?????
I doubt the UK would rescind allowing multiple EU passports as it costs us nothing to allow a Brit to hold another EU passport,
just a moment????
Most Brits won't be holding ANY EU passports let alone multiple. Brexit means Brexit
Weren't exports supposed to go up when the £ fell?
Wrong time of year for Jam and Scone exports isn't it?
kimbers - Member
"Our battery continued firing at targets chosen by our O.P. The ammunition expenditure was enormous. “This is costing us a fortune.” said Lt Mostyn, “Honestly, in the last three hours we’ve spent enough to have opened two hat shops in White-chapel, with a hundred pound float in the till.” I calmed him, “Would it help if we fired slower, sir?” He shook his head, “Its too late now, if I had been running this war I could have done it at half the price, I mean what’s Churchill know about business? Nothing! Give him a dress shop and in two weeks he’d be skint!”
A gown shop in Whitechapel:
CHURCHILL:
Good morning madame.
SHOPPER:
I’d like to see a black velvet evening gown with a plunging back.
CHURCHILL:
Is that a dress?
SHOPPER:
Yes.
CHURCHILL:
In two weeks I’ll be skint.
This is a very good thing, the Army are on standby to help with the winter floods..
One thing the UK Nasty Party have got right..
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37922757 ]Army to help with winter floods.[/url]
Wrong time of year for Jam and Scone exports isn't it?
Never mind, the Christmas pudding market will sort things out.
Never mind, the Christmas pudding market will sort things out.
You mean the empire pudding, devised to highlight the products produced from across the globe?
Weren't exports supposed to go up when the £ fell?
Trade figures notoriously volatile month to month, changes in behaviour can take a while to filter through. Read that commentary on another news page - BBC ?
@mrmo was using EU to mean the 27 countries. As I said we wouldn't stand in the way of an EU passport, zero cost to us.
Trade figures notoriously volatile month to month, changes in behaviour can take a while to filter through. Read that commentary on another news page - BBC
Alright let's come back to this one in two or three months then shall we?
🙂 touché
Hey TMH would love to hear your theory on the Ryan Air price cuts due to Brexit .. please play !
Another question ... with Trump now President I cannot see any way the IMF will get involved in another Greek bailout, there is not a snowballs chance he will put US money up for that.
Hey TMH would love to hear your theory on the Ryan Air price cuts due to Brexit .. please play !
Aren't RyanAir based out of Dublin? So wouldn't they measure profits in Euros and due to the Titanic success we are making of Brexit the £ to Euro value has dropped.
So, ninfan suggested on the other thread that he viewed the EU as similar to NAFTA. If I understand correctly NAFTA allows the US to exploit Mexico for cheap goods and labour whilst paying them not enough money.
Is this the case with EU expansion to the poorer states? I've dealt with IT outsourcing to those countries and they seem to value the work quite highly. Given that they can educate themselves quite well, it turns that into cash quite nicely and gains them experience.
Is ninfan right in comparing the two?
Key difference with NAFTA is they have no freedom of movement. EU does allow factories and online businesses be located abroad with lower costs (cheap labour/ultra-low taxes) as per NAFTA so in that sense it's directly comparable. Your IT work allows the poorer country to upscale economically and educationally - that does come at the expense of UK contractors - and ontop of that we pay £££ billions for that privilege.
Hey TMH would love to hear your theory on the Ryan Air price cuts due to Brexit .. please play !
What's the question?
IIRC, UK is 25-30% of sales, and revenue from sales is not -15% in value terms. On top of that actual sales are struggling (I think). So double wammy.
I mentioned before that the price elasticity of demand for UK exports is inelastic, so the trade data is of no major surprise. Not good though.
Play - after this weekend I am bored with Brexshit and the coverage. The only decent thing I have read or listened to was on R4 yesterday - Joshua Rosenburg's programme on the legal aspects of the ruling. Objective and considered - a rarity these days.
Your IT work allows the poorer country to upscale economically and educationally - that does come at the expense of UK contractors
I am not sure that's the case to be honest. Contractors are still in employment, but the capability has simply expanded.
IT is not a finite market. Given more resources and money, you can always simply do more - there's no shortage of projects. Unlike say agriculture, where the amount of food you can grow and eat is finite and hence the work that needs to be done - you can only reduce costs.
Joshua Rosenburg's programme on the legal aspects of the ruling.
What did it say?
I am not sure that's the case to be honest. Contractors are still in employment, but the capability has simply expanded.
Rates haven't gone up in 20 years. So I assume competition plays a part.
not a finite market
You'll have blown his mind there.
JR plus two legal profs explaining the issues without the BS - it was 30 mins so a little difficult to summarise.
I didn't tihnk there was any BS..? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Rates haven't gone up in 20 years. So I assume competition plays a part.
20 years ago rates were ludicrous, it was the dotcom boom. There's a good deal of normalisation going on there. And there probably is no longer a shortage, so that's partly related to outsourcing. However rates and salaries are still decent and there's still work. So.. dunno.
. And there probably is no longer a shortage, so that's partly related to outsourcing.
Well, yeah. Isn't that the same as...
Your IT work allows the poorer country to upscale economically and educationally - that does come at the expense of UK contractors
Competition is good AFAIC but if I was a contractor I wouldn't be so keen.
I didn't tihnk there was any BS..?
Not with the ruling no - but the reaction on all sides was ludicrous. For two days the coverage was all hyperbole/BS.
But what if you were a bank wishing to get some software written? You'd appreciate it then.
I'm sure there is some interesting economic theory about small suppliers who have niche skills the shortage of which holds up larger businesses.
I think you missed the bottom half of my post. 🙂
Edit: or I was too vague. Lower rates are good for me.
TMH O'Leary announced that as a result of Brexit he was cutting UK fares by 15% ? Once the UK leaves the EU capacity will be reduced somhe will be raising them after ? I can understand the second part, the first makes no sense other than to agressively undercut competition - loss leading ?
Andy - surely it's just empty seats? I have no evidence for that of course. I try never to fly Ryanair.
Here is a graph to help with the Ryanair conundrum. Both parts.
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Oh, and no wonder Farage is after a new gig. His MEP train has run out of gravy.
If Farage does end up working for Trump, presumably we can just ignore the referendum and he won't notice?
But won't he be an immigrant stealing some poor hard working American's job?
So he's a hypocrite - what's new?
Posted in Trump thread also
Some in Government think they have just been dealt the Brexit Trump card
On the other hand if Trump goes isolationist, and we've just turned our backs on Europe, annoyed the Chinese and worried the Indians, then we may have problems.
jambalaya - MemberSome in Government think they have just been dealt the Brexit Trump card
if you are referring to our resident brexit fantasists Davies & Fox then pardon me for not getting too excited
Even trumps smart enough to know that out of the EU we are just an inconsequential country unable to shake off our delusions of empire
Some in Government think they have just been dealt the Brexit Trump card
Who knew we had idiots in charge of our country ?
His views on Nato, general isolationism and his dislike of trade deals - year them up/make them pay [unless he/USA is the big winner] suggests that he is unlikely to help and it wont be a partnership of equals.
oh dear
bearing in mind these comments
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/10/nigel-farage-jokes-about-trumps-alleged-sexual-assaults?CMP=fb_gu
and his disgust at how VL & the Tories treated him post referendum
Ill bet that our egomaniac in chief has set himself up as the exclusive dealmaker for the UK
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He's already said he'll look after Number One, and any deal anyone signs with the USA will only be in the USA's favour.
#brexshit just got shitter...
Could not agree less b r, Trump being President helps us a lot re: Brexit
I really hope Farage gets the US / EU gig that would just be hysterical
there can be no stronger sign of the soundness of your argument than Jamby taking the opposite view Trump does deals where he wins he is proud of this and he brow beats the weaker into accepting what is best for him
He may well prioritise a deal with us and it will be a great one .....but not for us
"He's already said he'll look after Number One, and any deal anyone signs with the USA will only be in the USA's favour."
A vast number of people in EU countries are horrified by the concept of a trade deal with the states. (Without even knowing what's in TTIP they're against it.)
I suspect you're in a minority if not having a trade deal with the states has been bothering you.
