As I mentioned earlier in the week, whoa is me 🙂
[i]The UK's new information commissioner has called for the country to adopt forthcoming EU data protection laws, despite its plan to leave the Union.
"I don't think Brexit should mean Brexit when it comes to standards of data protection," Elizabeth Denham told BBC Radio 4's PM programme.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37512419
Jamba - Nissan invest in new model production on about a 5 year basis as I recall. What they are essentially saying is we'll continue making the current models in Sunderland (somebody called them Geordies!!!), but the replacement Quashqai (which will require significant investment) will be made at a European plant (somewhere else in the Renault Nissan Alliance) unless the European sales are cost effective after tariffs and subsidies. Apparently the current Quashqai is 80% exported to Europe. Alternatively I believe they already planned to make some in Sunderland and some in France(?) - they might just shift the proportions.
So the plant won't close immediately - it'll wither on the vine. But the economy may move and something else may happen.
7000 direct jobs and 50,000 indirect apparently.
The WTO has rules on state aid (as does the EU) So it will probably be spent on lawyers arguing over international trade disputes.Am guessing that the £350m will be spent compensating companies for the additional tariff payments that will be imposed on them
igm - Member
So the plant won't close immediately - it'll wither on the vine. But the economy may move and something else may happen.
Nissan is threatening because it's overlord is Renault so I suspect it's probably a political reason rather than market sense. Yes, the Korean brands may enter market ...
UK Growth revised up. Deutsche bank approaching freefall
Not looking good for Europe is it?
ninfan - Member
UK Growth revised up. Deutsche bank approaching freefallNot looking good for Europe is it?
phew im glad we arent in Europe and that Deutschebank dont employ 12000 people in London 😯
I am also pleased that the growth figure form before we had the brexit vote has been revised upwards. If that does not indicate the effects of the brexit vote on the U economy then i dont know what stat will
Don't worry, we have healthy banks like RBS who aren't at all propped up with BoE money.phew im glad we arent in Europe and that Deutschebank dont employ 12000 people in London
Kimbers the two statements are consistent, it's up to the government of the day to decide. Our government. As I have said numerous times I would support retaining the current EU grants, ie 55 pence in the pound we send to the EU. As such the bugest savibg is £10bn (or £8.5bn using @mike's figures - same same if you ask me) Certainly for the time being. Is every £ well targetted, I am certain it's not ? Why shouldn't these payments be subject to review by OUR government
and this is why he gets insulted ;that is self evidently untrue. What does that make him then? Essentially he is either a liar or a moron as that is just not factually correct.Kimbers the two statements are consistent,
When you deal with a person happy to do this its inevitable folk will eventually just give up and call him names.
Its pretty good really, having someone exemplify so well why the pro brexit arguments were based falsehoods
Its a common tactic in politics
say something with conviction, in an authoritative manner and people will believe you and not bother to check your facts
Its something that Borris Johnson does very well
Deutsche bank approaching freefallNot looking good for Europe is it?
yeah cos the effect of Lehmans Brothers going to the wall was only felt in the US.
When you deal with a person happy to do this its inevitable folk will eventually just give up and call him names.
I\m sure Jamba won\t be losing sleep over this, but for me it also impacts his comments on other threads, so for example when he gives advice about Mac stuff, or Paris itineraries, I assume that that is a load of blx as well. Sad, really.
I\m sure Jamba won\t be losing sleep over this, but for me it also impacts his comments on other threads, so for example when he gives advice about Mac stuff, or Paris itineraries, I assume that that is a load of blx as well. Sad, really.
killfile for the win.
CEO of Jaguar, Land Rover also wants UK to stay in single market.
57% of car built in the UK go inside the EU.
Next market is US but with only 12%. ( source Independent, can't do link) .
[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/can-we-please-hurry-up-and-commit-economic-suicide-ask-brexit-tories-20160930114622 ]The Mash nails what we can expect next week[/url]
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UK Growth revised up. Deutsche bank approaching freefall
Not looking good for Europe is it?
1 a revision of an estimate - so what?
2 pre-dates crisis, recession, Brexit
Not sure what either add to the debate re our relationship with Europe? Can you advise?
Can someone on the brexit side explain why all the crowing over the economic problems in Europe? Our greatest customers and probably greatest source of external investment (I havent looked this up), and we are supposed to be jumping for joy that they might not be doing so well - in fact, jumping for joy at the thought that the brexit vote is actually adding to their problems? I just don't get it. Economics is not a zero-sum game and we haven't been at war with Germany for 70 years.
Indeed, cap'n it's infantile. We should be looking at ways where we both benefit not both lose. It's narrow-minded and ignorant to relish weaker growth/problems in Europe. But this has been a characteristic of BSers approach all along.
Almost every long running thread (not about bikes) seems to be full of endless jambafacts. How does he have time to learn so much AND constantly talk/type this stuff out, not to mention do any work?
That is because Brexiter think that the rest of the world are desperate to do business with the UK.
Sadly China banks are in more trouble than European ones, not all Indian can afford a Bentley and if China can not buy minerals from Australia, they will be in trouble too. And let's not forget a very messy US election coming up.
Honestly is this a nest of whining remainers?
We are going to leave.
There will be a trade deal regarding car import export tariffs, we've already shoved up a huge barrier bigger than the EU import tariff for cars, devaluing the £ 10-15% as we always do when times like this arrive.
The tricky thing going forward is more the 40 years of legislation that will need to be unwound, that's without idiot judges trying to suggest the referendum result cannot be enacted by parliament.
The rest of the World do want to do business with us, that is ALL of the rest of the world including some hard done by third world food growing regions that we can now help out and bring down food costs without them having to negotiate a deal with the EU, there are as many positives as there are negatives to this affair.
I for one would still have a job had we not been a part of the EU, as much as it gave us, it also took away with centralisation in Europe, but not here, so I'm OK with it.
Just pointing that out to the rewhiners, get a grip, nothing you are going to do or say now is going to stop it.
Oh and I quite enjoy 'Jambafacts' thanks just the same.
Are you Dr Fox?
Lots of nice sentences with strong words but nothing concrete.
Oh and I was up that Lunnon yesterday and noted that Apple are going to Headquarter in the old Battersea Power station with a load more jobs on offer for the immigrant community that dominates Lunnon and I dare say Apple will have no trouble moving its staff around Europe and the rest of the World now or post the exit.
Rosscore - I too enjoy jambafacts - it doesn't make them true.
I suspect I'd even enjoy an argument over a pint with Jamba - that doesn't make poking our big single market in the eye a good idea.
And that's before we start talking about the positives the EU has brought like political stability (compared to the preceding 2-300 years) and the ability to ply ones trade in other countries.
with a load more jobs on offer
I thought they were just relocating existing uk based jobs there?
anyway, Ill keep rewhining away, and correcting jambafacts until the whole silly thing is called off
You call it whining, I call it asking for a credible plan. So far it looks like we are heading for an incredibly expensive and time-consuming boondoggle for lawyers and civil servants to work out how to get us a far worse deal than we already have. Meanwhile the three brexiteers who are supposed to be leading the process spout their mutually inconsistent nonsense fantasies only to get slapped down by May every time any of them open their mouths.
no its a fact based discussionHonestly is this a nest of whining remainers?
The convention is that the PM cannot do this *without parliamentary approval as the referendum was not legally binding. No one doubts that parliament is supreme they doubt whether the PM can do it without parliamentary approvalthat's without idiot judges trying to suggest the referendum result cannot be enacted by parliament.
This will play out in the courts
* an act of parliament led to us entering so only an act of parliament not a PM can remove this
aspirational pish High on hope low on actual details or facts no wonder you like jambyfactsThe rest of the World do want to do business with us, that is ALL of the rest of the world including some hard done by third world food growing regions that we can now help out and bring down food costs without them having to negotiate a deal with the EU, there are as many positives as there are negatives to this affair.
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Honestly is this a nest of whining remainers?
No, I've not seen any whining. What I have seen is a group of people who want to know exactly WTF is going to happen next with evidence and some kind of joined up strategy. Sadly most Brexit leaning folk seem to think that the hard part has been done with the referendum and now everything will be gravy so feel no need to supply sensible ideas or consistent facts.
And, this being a democratic country, any Remainer who feels the need is perfectly justified in continuing to make the case for why they think leave is a bad idea. Farage and his ilk rattled on for years to get their way and even said that if the vote ratio was 52:48 against exit he would consider that to be sufficient ground to keep campaigning. Why, when the other way around, is it unacceptable for Remainers to do the same?
What I have seen is a group of people who want to know exactly WTF is going to happen next with evidence and some kind of joined up strategy.
Why are they asking on a bicycle forum?
They aren't, they are asking on the chat forum. At least, in this thread.
More chance of getting an answer than from our 'government'?Why are they asking on a bicycle forum?
What I have seen is a group of people who want to know exactly WTF is going to happen next with evidence and some kind of joined up strategy.Why are they asking on a bicycle forum?
Jamby seems very proud of his involvement in Brexit so hopefully knows more about the thinking at its heart and the plan to deliver it. He is often on here so many hoped he could explain not just what our glorious future will look like but also some solid ideas on how we will get there.
Safe to say that most of us are still waiting.
As annoyed as I am with the BSers it is a bit unrealistic to expect clarity. We are in uncharted territory with extremely complicated negotiations ahead. The facile comments that this is going to be easy and straightforward are just another example of how shallow the Brexit thinking is and the narrow-minded focus that suggest the we are in the driving seat.
Of course it doesn't help that both the government and the Oppo (to the extent that it exists) are both split assunder and the unofficial Oppo are spouting their usual crap about independence and memberships of the EZ
How can there be clarity in the middle of all this mess?
cchris2lou - MemberCEO of Jaguar, Land Rover also wants UK to stay in single market.
57% of car built in the UK go inside the EU.
Next market is US but with only 12%. ( source Independent, can't do link) .
Large corporation good or bad?
Evade tax like some of the tech giants? (Not them but generally speaking IT companies ... you know who)
Dictate terms like you owe them your living?
Do they look after the society they do business in?
Are we smelling the coffee yet?
Now is the time to see some of them vanish forever.
Some clarity to be found here...
Actually not really but it made me smile 🙂
Honestly is this a nest of whining remainers?
By 'this' do you meant the UK? If so, then yes, millions of us Brits not only think this endeavour to leave the EU is a waste of money, time and energy, and that our country, and our immediate neigbouring countries, and the world as a whole will be worse off after it is done, and that the uncertainty of the whole exit procedure and timescale is a huge pointless risk, but also that those who have fought long and hard to "get what they want" seem to, after all that, really not have any idea how it can be made to work, beyond vague aspirations backed up with empty promises and not even half baked contradictory ideas that don't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever.
kelvin - Member
... and our immediate neigbouring countries, and the [b]world as a whole[/b] will be worse off after it is done, ...
Please. Please leave Far East alone as they Do Not need the West to affect them good or bad. They don't need the help from the West or charity. Please leave them alone.
Can't you remember the President of the Philippines Rightly telling off the outgoing US President O last month for trying to talk down Philippines govt ways of handling drugs. Ya, he was taught a verbal presidential lesson.
chewkw : sometimes you should just stfu for your own good.
[url= http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-hitler-idUSKCN1200B9 ]Duterte likens himself to Hitler[/url]
somafunk - Memberchewkw : sometimes you should just stfu for your own good.
Duterte likens himself to Hitler
In other culture people reference and speak differently.
We understand perfectly well what he is saying.
That is how we speak in that region.
But people in the west interpret that differently, then twisting it and later use it as an excuse to cause troubles.
They really do not need anyone to stir up debris from the pond.
Large corporation employ 1000s of people .
who do you think is going to employ them if they go ?
cchris2lou - Member
Large corporation employ 1000s of people .who do you think is going to employ them if they go ?
If they go that is, if. UK is an attractive market.
Not many jobs last forever nowadays for rank and file.
The only guarantee in any of this is the poor will become worse off the middle will prosper slightly and the rich will get a a lot richer.
This is not an opinion it's free market economics all unregulated right wing capitalist countries have very poor poor people (USA is the perfect example) and watch these Tories deregulate - Liam Fox is pitching like hell on this very approach
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oldmanmtb - Member
... it's free market economics all unregulated right wing capitalist countries ...
Nothing to do with the wings of belief but rather the inbuilt human greed.
