Whatever side of the argument you are on we can all agree the negotiations will take forever, cost a fortune and not leave any of us better of. (Unless of course you are a lawyer or a politician. Surprise,surprise.)
So you are saying it would be better to just cut all the crap, invoke article 50 now and hard Brexit as quick as possible?
So you are saying it would be better to just cut all the crap, invoke article 50 now and hard Brexit as quick as possible?
No, just give up and stay as were are. Cost £0.
@kimbers 🙂
you gotta pay the membership fee to get the bargains,
Except France pays zero ? Only Germany and UK have made meaningful net contributions over the years. We understand why it makes sense to Germany a massive net exporter and with a currency much weaker that it wouod have otherwise (weak currency great for exports). It makes no sense to the UK
@mike I bet also despite havng no long term right of residence in Australia you own a house ? You are making an educated risk assesment.
Cost of negotiations, £65 million per anum. Gosh thats 2 days worth of our EU busget contribution. An absolute bargain.
BTW never mind the Italian banks Deutsche in free fall and Commerzbank laying off 20% of it's entire workforce and suspending it's dividend again. All is not well in Germany.
Cost of negotiations, £65 million per anum. Gosh thats 2 days worth of our EU busget contribution
Less our rebate etc, (but if it's good enough to write on a bus......)
That figure* is on top of our contribution, which we'll still be paying for at least 2 years and still will be on the cards if we want free market access
* We all know how ambitious government spending plans are....add on another zero ?
@mike I bet also despite havng no long term right of residence in Australia you own a house ? You are making an educated risk assesment.
...as opposed to a random jump in the dark, which is what people are having to do at the moment given we know the rules are going to change but we don't know how or when?
so Nissan have put investment in Sunderland on hold ..........
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-autoshow-paris-nissan-britain-idUKKCN11Z1YQ
kimbers - Memberso Nissan have put investment in Sunderland on hold ..........
The tories'll count this as a triumph, a new and exciting way to nationalise private sector risk!1!!oNE
The tories'll count this as a triumph, a new and exciting way to nationalise private sector risk!1!!oNE
Does any of this not make sense?
Hello Hyundai!
Nissan is the least desirable car brand amongst the Japanese car brands in the far east so they can go if they wish ...
[url= http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-nissan-mitsubishimotors-asean-idUKKCN0Y41RW ]Reuters[/url]
Datsun 120Y anyone?
Don't worry they could do another version of Auf Weidersein Pet where they all go off and work in a BMW factory.........
Shame,they voted against that as well.
People in the north east voted for Brexit so they cant complain about it .
Nissan is the least desirable car brand amongst the Japanese car brands in the far east so they can go if they wish ..
but 1/3rd of all uk car exports
kimbers - Member
Nissan is the least desirable car brand amongst the Japanese car brands in the far east so they can go if they wish ..
but 1/3rd of all uk car exports
Yes, where do all Nissan cars go? (can't be arsed to google) 😆
I think the people know what they want and certainly not for an organisation to dictate terms to a nation.cchris2lou - Member
People in the north east voted for Brexit so they cant complain about it.
Go Nissan ... we will have horse cart ...
Go Nissan ... we will have horse cart ...
5000 former nissan employees wont be able to afford the cart let alone the horse, still takebackcontrol etc
Not just the Nissan employees. It's all the corner shops they buy stuff from. And local tradesmen. And and and.
I forget the ratio of direct employees to indirect dependents on monolithic employers like Nissan (10:1?), but it really is just about the only game in town round there. It'll be like bits of Yorkshire when they shut the mines.
Assuming it happens. But then it's pretty easy for Nissan to switch manfacture of future models to a French plant.
I think the people know what they want and certainly not for an organisation to dictate terms to a nation.
Jobs? Money to buy the things they want/need? Enlighten me.
kimbers - Member
quote] Go Nissan ... we will have horse cart ...
5000 former nissan employees wont be able to afford the cart let alone the horse, still takebackcontrol etc
They will have to walk don't they? Exercise perhaps?
igm - Member
Not just the Nissan employees. It's all the corner shops they buy stuff from. And local tradesmen. And and and.
They just have to think of something else to do won't they or they can move to London.
kimbers - Member
quote] Go Nissan ... we will have horse cart ...
5000 former nissan employees wont be able to afford the cart let alone the horse, still takebackcontrol etc
It will be a slow wind down if that happens i.e. not instantly like "big bang" ... plenty of time to prepare.
igm - Member
Not just the Nissan employees. It's all the corner shops they buy stuff from. And local tradesmen. And and and.
They just have to think of something else to do don't they or they can move to London.
kimbers - Member
quote] Go Nissan ... we will have horse cart ...
5000 former nissan employees wont be able to afford the cart let alone the horse, still takebackcontrol etc
It will be a slow wind down if that happens i.e. not instantly like "big bang" ... plenty of time to prepare.
igm - Member
Not just the Nissan employees. It's all the corner shops they buy stuff from. And local tradesmen. And and and.
They just have to think of something else to do won't they or they can move to London.
Trying to delete the post but couldn't for whatever reasons above.
I hope they all get fired, the tears of the ****ing geordies will nourish me.
[quote=chewkw ]They just have to think of something else to do won't they or they can move to London.
#getonyourbike
Hahah Aracer, this will be the reaction of Londoners to white Geordie immigrants.
Hahah Aracer, this will be the reaction of Londoners to white Geordie immigrants.
Less our rebate etc, (but if it's good enough to write on a bus......)
Kimbers I always use the figure less our rebate
Nissan may put investment on hold, I would be curious if they where actually plannig to make any. Putting investment on hold isn't closing the factory is it ? Toyota said before the Referendum whatever the result they would stay pit.
UK govt can sign a trade deal making car's tariff free into UK from Japan on the basis Nissan etc keep factories in the UK ? I strongly suspect EU will agree tariff free cars anyway beyween UK and EU to go with financial services and food. We will of course not be bound by EU rukes somare free to import from wherever we want tariff free subject to agreements or at WTO rates as agreed.
@mike I bet also despite havng no long term right of residence in Australia you own a house ? You are making an educated risk assesment.
Guess what like every other thing you try and claim in this thread you are wrong.
And as you seem to be trying really hard to miss the point eu nationals and UK nationals made a decision based on facts and rules that are now all up for change. Playing fast and loose with negotiations is playing with people's lives.
[i]Britain does not have its own schedules. We have EU schedules. Fox can say we have our own if he likes, but officials and lawyers at the WTO will disagree. We need to extract our schedules from the EU schedule, which is actually a horrifically difficult problem.WTO
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It’s not hard with tariffs, we can just replicate what the EU does there. But the tariff rate quotas are a nightmare, because they’re quantitative.
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The WTO is minefield for British trade interests which will need a very experienced, very intelligent, very sensitive negotiating team to navigate. Fox’s speech does not suggest these things will be forthcoming.
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But note what that means: Nothing changes. All that talk of taking back control during the referendum was illusionary. We will keep things exactly as they are, because that’s the only way to make the journey from the single market to WTO rules even vaguely doable. We're not taking back control. We are desperately trying to make a massive and perilous change in our economic arrangements without triggering huge job losses. And that means that we will copy whatever our EU arrangements were and paste them onto the WTO schedules.[/i]
[url= http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/09/27/fox-slip-up-at-wto-shows-he-has-no-brexit-plan ]Foxy Bingo[/url]
It's not just about picking an arbitrary tariff and adding that to an invoice.
Nissan may put investment on hold, I would be curious if they where actually plannig to make any. Putting investment on hold isn't closing the factory is it ? Toyota said before the Referendum whatever the result they would stay pit.
It's the first step in shutting the place if you've any experience of manufacturing. Investment doesn't mean buying new shining stuff or building new units, facilities need large annual investment to do all the renewals and general upkeep. Essentially it can signal a 'run it into the ground" philosophy as the owner tries to extract as much value for a few years before shutting.
And Toyota are saying the same.
[i]All that talk of taking back control during the referendum was illusionary.[/i]
It was a quite amazing phrase, who came up with it because I reckon in future years it'll be taught. As in, a 1st class marketing exercise in how to persuade a load of folk who haven't a Scooby what the implications are to vote for something that will (on the whole) screw most of them who voted for it*.
* - based on the only folk I know that voted Leave are lower-working class in both background and thought, are they're the ones who'll be certainly screwed over. In fact, Jamba, are you David Davies? 😉
Do we know who it was?
You can understand why Nissan are nervous, conflicting signals from Davies, Fox, Johnson* and May about whether we will stay in the free market have undoubtedly got a lot of manufacturers very concerned.
On the plus side I'm sure Dyson will be moving their factories back here 🙂
Borris was hilarious as usual on his recent trip to Turkey
Apparently we'll be part of a “jumbo free trade area” which is funny, coz we all ready are, of course Turkey are bound by EU customs regs so can't negotiate with us sperately.
Then he promised to help with Turkeys accesion as a full member..... which we'll have no say over as we'll be out 🙄
Kimbers I always use the figure less our rebate
Well that's an outright lie right there!
You know Jambas I'd have more respect for you if you did stop lying so.....you seem quite a bright & erudite chap but, bloody hell you're far too economical with the truth for my liking!
Come on Jamba, it's Friday. Give us some more Jambafacts, I need a laugh!
No one could be this hypocritical or untruthful without effort and I have concluded he does all this for shits and giggles
he claims to have a degree and post grad from Oxford so he just cannot be this dense unless its deliberate
Jambalies are deliberate basically -essentially if he is typing he is trolling/lying
#jambatroll?
Having a laugh at the rest of us for 10,000 posts?
He should get an STW readers award if so!
Is he even a person or some sort of brexitbot programmed to counter any pro eu content on the internet whatever time of day?
Could be.
What he's doing is spinning, to justify his pre-established point of view.
Most of us do it to some extent, just not that blatantly.
Mtth 7:3
He may be talking a lot of baloney on the EU/Brexit including the post above but at least he is not simply playing the man. Well done guys, Jambas shins will be multi-coloured this morning. You must be very pleased.
What a mess. And what a time to have lightweights like Fox and Bojo (May?) running the place.
THM is right.
Don't call jamby a liar
Just cut and paste his posts in a kind of contradictory bingo
eg
Kimbers I always use the figure less our rebate
From page 252 of this thread
As for the £350m p/week we'll have to wait till we are out before we are able to decide how we'll spend that. Most of that benefit will be decided by our government in 2020
In addition, when many of his points are 'from what I remember' or 'I read somewhere' but very, very rarely sourced, there is nothing to play but the man. Because it's mostly opinion, put across rather vociferously, hence the 'jambafact'.
Well done guys, Jambas shins will be multi-coloured this morning. You must be very pleased
I'm crying crocodile tears for poor old Jambas..
Fox is excellent - what is he a DR of wishfull thinking?- I like how he wants even freer access when we leave 😆
What he's doing is spinning, to justify his pre-established point of view.Most of us do it to some extent, just not that blatantly.
Yesterday he explained how the weakening pound was great but the weakening euro meant the EU was "shitting" itself. No one is this fluid with their arguments. Kimbers has provided another example of this "fluid" approach. What he said was untrue you can call it a lier him being forgetful but it is not spin it just untrue
Look this is the strongest defence one can make of him and it includes agreeing he talks nonsense
He may be talking a lot of baloney on the EU/Brexit including the post above but at least he is not simply playing the man. Well done guys, Jambas shins will be multi-coloured this morning. You must be very pleased.
No one is pleased with it but it is not actually untrue as even you conclude.We are not playing the man we are simply stating what the man does which is to spout baloney. No other poster gets accused of lying on here with the regularity he does and by so many posters. You can blame those who do it, which now includes you, albeit slightly politer, or him for doing "spouting baloney" as you see fit.
Most folk just think he does what has been proved on this page by Kimbers We could do examples every single day of this eventually, as evidenced on this and other threads, folk just end up tagging things as #jambyfact or jambliar.
WHilst I can see why some see it as playing the man the real problem is that its true that he does this and therefore folk will keep saying it
Am guessing that the £350m will be spent compensating companies for the additional tariff payments that will be imposed on them.
