Tellk you what, why don't you submit a proposal telling us all why your 5% tax cut is worth more than funding the NHS. Then tell us how medicine advances without research, how the technology needed to create jobs advances without research.
This plus a number more even than countable even on jamba's fingers and toes. The tech-driven society we keep hearing about doesn't get built on 3 month contracts from business.
I think his true identity is close to being revealed...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/accuracy-is-for-snake-oil-pussies-vote-leaves-campaign-director-defies-mps
A Spanish friend of mine has just been told "f***-o*f" back to Mexico".
I suppose that's the logical convergence of Trump and Boris.
Got that Oz PM link yet Jamby?
I imagine he was referring to [url= http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-27/turnbull-orders-orders-urgent-review-of-brexit-implications/7546890 ]this[/url]
Nope, lies and buses covered in abhorrent posters win referendums. 😐
You yourself are still posting a series of "mistake" numbers without links to justify, Jamba. Still no links to justify your claims of 15bn euros nett contribution and 250 00 city jobs lost in the last 8 years.
jambalaya - Member
Its not my job to post links others can't be bothered to look for, I thought I'd made that apparent already.
We are all slow on the uptake on that one!!
[s]Links[/s] Facts (which almost certainky won't be read) don't win Referendums do they
Obviously not in #posttruthpolitics
Bear with us - its is going to take some time to adjust to a world where facts are totally irrelevant
ah scanned through that one as it's just the general, must do something nobody panic (they can't afford our wine now anyway 🙂 )
By the way it was phrased before it was a trade deal priority, UK front of the line. I reckon we will finish the EU one first and a lot of Oz to UK investment will head through Dublin instead. Same old rules just as easy.
. Links (which almost certainky won't be read) don't win Referendums do they
Indeed, we now know its lies and stirring up racial hatred that wins referendums
its is going to take some time to adjust to a world where facts are totally irrelevant
I think some are ahead of the curve on that front.
250 00 city jobs lost in the last 8 years.
Sounds toppy but [url= http://realbusiness.co.uk/article/29193-a-glance-at-london-employment-over-10-years-the-financial-crisis-and-its-aftermath ]125,000 looks ok[/url]
Your article comes up with the same order of magnitude as what I was looking at, Mefty, with the same reasons.
Should we conclude that Jamba always doubles numbers before posting? (Edit: or halves them should they be unfavourable)
On research, I wonder how ITER is chuntering along? Oh wait, it won't matter unless we commit a massive amount from our OWN pocket rather than the relatively small amount stumped up by the EU as a whole. Well that was a good deal wasn't it?
Still we always have JET.
Will still have access to the tech at the end though. At a price.
Should we conclude that Jamba always doubles numbers before posting? (Edit: or halves them should they be unfavourable)
as long as he doesnt write it on a bus....
I think we can all agree on one thing. We're all sick of 'experts'
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Its not my job to post links others can't be bothered to look for
It is ABSOLUTELY your job to share sources to back up your arguments. Otherwise we have no choice but to dismiss them as gossip.
As the pr referendum was legally binding why was this one deliberately not so? I wonder if this point was discussed as the bill passed through both houses - can't see anything in Hansard after a quick look, does anyone know?
Have we done this yet?
Watched that a few times ^ but i think i'll watch it again - It's the best edit of that parody by far, particularly the "Gove experts" outburst
Actually, the experts did fail a bit on this one. They might have said that leaving would **** the UK, I'm not sure that many of them pointed out that a majority vote for leave would **** the uk, [i]even without it being followed through[/i].
It is ABSOLUTELY your job to share sources to back up your arguments. Otherwise we have no choice but to dismiss them as gossip.
Shame the same didn't apply to the Vote Leave guff.
They might have said that leaving would * the UK, I'm not sure that many of them pointed out that a majority vote for leave would * the uk, even without it being followed through.
Can't wait to see the expression on Niges face when it finally sinks in that we're not [i]really [/i]leaving
Can't wait to see the expression on Niges face when it finally sinks in that we're not really leaving
Nah, I see it as giving Nige a reason to continue his rhetorical rants and keep himself in a job as the gobby spokesperson for the disenfranchised/disillusioned/bigoted mass of followers that believe everything would be better if we could "[i]take back control[/i].
TBH a seat in the powerless EU parliament may be the best place for him...
Will catch up on recent posts later.
Cameron's Statement in Parliament (ongoing)
Whilst some EU leaders spoke of a quick trigger of Article 50 the majority view is everyone should be cautious and take their time
It was clear that while the EU did not wish to conduct formal negotiations without Article 50 it was equally clear that informal discussions would take place and it was agreed they would be mutually beneficial.
Those that thinking we are not leaving the EU are suffering from a severe dose of wishful thinking
@jamba: remember Guy Verhofstadt's tweet offering to meet with Nicola Sturgeon that you [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/eu-referendum-are-you-in-or-out/page/216#post-7796071 ]said[/url] was "not even a real invitation":
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At least someone is at the negotiating table. 😀
It's going to have to come down to this, I'm afraid.
What do you stand to gain personally from leaving the EU?
You're going to have to tell me, because the majority of people in this country are going to be worse off because of it - obviously including the morons who thought they were going to 'get rid' of some folk with different coloured skin.
At least if I knew you had something to gain personally from this, I could rationalise what you are doing on this thread.
Those that thinking we are not leaving the EU are suffering from a severe dose of wishful thinking
As we just about have no PM, leader of the opposition and no way I'm betting against a GE this year then I'm not so sure. Also you are reliant on parliament going 100% with the vote when called.
I don't much like Sturgeon's rhetoric that Scotland stood by the EU whereas England and Wales didn't.
That does a huge disservice to almost half of England and Wales, tbh. I feel a bit insulted to be lumped in with the leavers, Nicola, if I'm honest.
jamby, there may be some sort of "remain in all but name" deal. It depends how generous the EU are feeling (and what they can get away with domestically). Latest rumour is that the banks lose the passport, and we get to restrict immigration. I guess the hard left and hard right could both sign up to that, it would just be the sensible middle who think its bonkers, and they don't riot.
@jamba-we'll see in a year or so when they've started picking through 80,000 pages of legislation and when they have a clearer idea of just what the deal will look like and where the economy is sitting.
I'm not saying we will or that we won't and we'll certainly start the process but it may just become so hideously complicated for all that they change their minds.
We're less than a week into this-it's too early to say either way...
molgrips - Member
I don't much like Sturgeon's rhetoric that Scotland stood by the EU whereas England and Wales didn't.
Here's the thing she isn't talking to you, (well she is but she isn't) we are now into the mega dealing phase where we all need to get our dress feathers and codpieces out and get strutting. Time to make the deals, press the flesh and do it. She needs something, we need something we all have to love to hate each other a little and see what happens.
And this is why people hate politics
[I]At least if I knew you had something to gain personally from this, I could rationalise what you are doing on this thread. [/I]
+1
Not wanting to speak for jamba, but in his absence, he has expressed a fair few fundamental objections to the way the EU operates and rules us, as well as the overall direction of the the EU project towards a European super-state.
That all seems fair enough to me. I don't personally agree but I think I understand his points.
It doesn't have to boil down to [i]personal[/i] gain or loss. Does it?
It doesn't have to boil down to personal gain or loss. Does it?
Well if you had backed Brexit hoping it would fail in order to become PM without having to actually cause Brexit you might be upset
It doesn't have to boil down to personal gain or loss. Does it?
Personal loss for many many people, yes.
Here's the thing she isn't talking to you, (well she is but she isn't)
Yeah she is, by implication. It was a divisive turn of phrase, that's all.
@Graham when you look at the post of Ernie's objections mine are pretty much identical. Thanks for your words.
As I said before in the short term Brexit is almost certainly negative for me, it's the medium and long term where the gains are for the country (when I will be retired) plus the principal of being an independent nation and sovereignty of Parliament.
What all this should tell us we should never ever have got ourselves into this EU headlock, straight-jacket, boa constrictors grip. Those who signed the Treaties which put us on that path should be held very publically accountable.
As for links and justifications as those who ask (demand ?) then do you really think your online behaviour towards me are going to lead to a position where I respond to any such requests ? As I said I focused my energies on campaigning, perhaps you should have done a bit more of the same. Posting links in response to others who have already made their mind up about the vote and about me - what's the point ? It's a waste of time.
Posting links in response to others who have already made their mind up about the vote and about me - what's the point ? It's a waste of time.
The point is so that you can be seen not to be fibbing. That really isn't to do with anyone's opinion of you or the vote.
At least someone is at the negotiating table
no two people are trying to score political points for their own purposes, as soon as the Catalans, Basques or Northern League try and do the same she won't get through the front door of the place
As for links and justifications as those who ask (demand ?) then do you really think your online behaviour towards me are going to lead to a position where I respond to any such requests ?
No simply, when you claim somebody said something and you read it just hit Ctrl^C then Ctrl^V
As for links and justifications as those who ask (demand ?) then do you really think your online behaviour towards me are going to lead to a position where I respond to any such requests ?
when do you reckon Medium starts? and how far back will the UK have gone before we get there?
As for links and justifications as those who ask (demand ?) then do you really think your online behaviour towards me
I think the problem is that by repeatedly making stuff up (the Jambafacts tag didnt appear without good reason) to back up you claims you lost the respect of the forum
The tactic didnt work here
sadly it seems to have worked out well for VL as a whole though
no two people are trying to score political points for their own purposes, as soon as the Catalans, Basques or Northern League try and do the same she won't get through the front door of the place
Yup. EU aint going to encourage nationalism, nor should they.
“Dumb British blonde ****s 15 million people at once.”
The tactic didnt work heresadly it seems to have worked out well for VL as a whole though
#Kimberfact
sadly it seems to have worked out well for VL as a whole though
I now see jamba's posts as something written on the side of a bus. If I was a lot cleverer I'd make a Chrome plugin to give others the option of displaying them in that way 🙂
If I was a lot cleverer I'd make a Chrome plugin to give others the option of displaying them in that way
If I was rich I would have paid for some bus adverts
