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I don’t it’s quite that simple.
Price isn’t about value, but rather perceived value. At a base level, of course a service has to turn a profit. But that’s not necessarily proportional to the cost.
I’m fairly confident that [insert coffee shop chain here] will know to the penny exactly how much it costs them to serve a cup of coffee,
I'm sure they do... I'm also confident Joe and Jane's family coffee shop don't...but I do know that the high street rents are crippling... be it a bikeshop or a coffee shop
But anyway... I'm agreeing.
Back to the plumber. £50 for a call out is a lot of money, but if every other plumber in the area is charging the same, what are you going to do?
Fix the leaky tap myself....my perceived value of a plumber is fixing my boiler that's not working and pissing water in the middle of winter for which £50 for the first hour is a bargain if they fix it in a couple of hours.
Why is every other plumber charging the same... because they can fix your boiler if you call them out for a trivial task like a leaky tap then why would they charge less?
Who exactly are you referring to as “they” here?
I'm not talking about the white supremacists spouting rubbish on facebook about enemies of the people etc. Go to any council estate or run down northern town and you'll see exactly who I'm talking about. And not just the white people. I've no idea why remainers listen so much to people who shout very loud and then think everyone is the same. The nutters are in the minority, but they are winning support from the wider leave constituency because remainers are doing a great job at coming across as condescending elitist w******.
condescending elitist w******
Pah on Facebook I was called a presumptive ****.
I’m not talking about the white supremacists spouting rubbish on facebook about enemies of the people etc. Go to any council estate or run down northern town and you’ll see exactly who I’m talking about. And not just the white people. I’ve no idea why remainers listen so much to people who shout very loud and then think everyone is the same. The nutters are in the minority, but they are winning support from the wider leave constituency because remainers are doing a great job at coming across as condescending elitist w******.
Remainers are coming off as condescending elitist lying traitors because that is what the facebook ads tell them and it's not just remainers, it's now the traitors who want a surrender deal... in fact its anyone who doesn't just lie to them.
Promise them a unicorn and you just need to believe....and that's fine.
Question them and you are a lying traitor.
I’ve no idea why remainers listen so much to people who shout very loud and then think everyone is the same.
Who thinks this way? Many people on here have been saying that anyone claiming they have 17 million voters backing them now just because their policy platform includes leaving the EU, based on lots of people voting Leave for very different reasons with very different expectations and motivations in 2016, are the ones over simplifying for their own ends.
Fix the leaky tap myself
Of course, and it's what I'd do too. But not everyone has the ability / knowledge to do that.
The nutters are in the minority,
I don't disagree, that was kinda my point.
Go to any ... run down northern town
I don't need to, I live in one.
I’ve no idea why remainers listen so much to people who shout very loud and then think everyone is the same.
We don't, the only people who think like that is people like you who like to construct straw men arguments in order to make fictional points on the Internet. We're well aware the shouty gammons are a minority, I've been saying this for months and I even said as much in my post you're replying to.
but they are winning support from the wider leave constituency because remainers are doing a great job at coming across as condescending elitist w******.
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly the reason. Absolutely nothing at all to do with the absolute torrent of propaganda that's been fed to them hand over fist for years.
I am sorry but you have to be really thick to still believe in the whole Leave propaganda After all that has happened in the past few months.
Lies after lies. Gaffe after gaffe.
I'm not so sure as it's down to being "thick," at least not entirely. I think most of them just want to believe it.
"Everything that's crap about your life, that's all someone else's fault" is a very attractive argument.
because remainers are doing a great job at coming across as condescending elitist w******.
Ah, your brush strokes are too broad. Come to Marlow in Bucks where my Dear 'Ole Dad lives and is the heart of the Toriest of Tory Shires, His friends will soon reveal to you that the ranks of condescending elitist ****ers are full to the brim of leavers as well.
Yeah you're gonna running down Greg's stockpile binners
It's no deal all the way, unless Ireland suddenly cave (they wont)
I'm also surprised DUP are happy with this
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179136001647792129
Why are they calling it a deal? That requires some form of negotiation or prospect of agreement. 'No Deal fig leaf' would work better.
In the trump world a deal is doing as you're told.
Joris bonson is singing from the same book, bully, bluster, confuse.
Joris bonson hasn't realised that he can't bully, bluster and confuse 27 United counties yet.
It's quite embarrassing that he's PM.
Crispin Odey is going to be very happy
dazh:
The great majority of leavers are driven by a mixture of hopelessness and nostalgia.
That’s a very specific claim, yet also doesn’t seem to me to really explain much?
What’s the source for this claim please. And what ‘hopelessness’? And, ‘nostalgia’? For what?
It’s word salad, means **** all
And the so-called boris eu deal is nothing more than an excuse to say to the voting electorate “we tried, but the nasty eu refused to agree” therefore he gets to execute “no deal”. His eu deal is nothing more than fairy dust snorting unicorns dancing on the head of his ****
When you realise there's a heap of black money behind the Brexit campaign, you have to wonder how "grass-roots" this is:
^ jesus wept. What the **** has this country become?
i guess dazh will be along soon to help us deal with that one ^ and tell us it’s an unconscious outpouring of pent up frustration and they are just misunderstood and left behind by us, the elite. We just need to sit them down with a nice cup of sweet milky builders tea and talk through their legitimate grievances with a British made mr Kipling french fancy whilst casually dropping into conversation editorial quotes from the tabloids till they become sleepy with mental exhaustion.
Or we could invite them all to a “Brexit means Brexit“ rally at the white cliffs of Dover with the promise of free liver and onion faggots “over there ->” and watch them throw their bloated carcasses from the cliffs like the lemmings they truly are thus solving all our problems.
Then we can break out the fancy loose leaf teas and coffees along with our baklava, cannoli and sfogliatella* pastries and toast our victory with a suitably aged grappa ....huzzah!
* must admit I am very fond of the pistachio sfogliattella from Quattro Venti in Ayr, guess I really am elitist eh? 😉
It’s indicative of how low we’ve gone in this country over the past 40 years that many people feel so angry they’re willing to vote against their best interests in a desperate attempt to shake up the status quo. They very rarely get a chance to directly change things so it’s understandable that they took they chance when it was presented to them.
Calling leaver voters names, patronising them, or dismissing their grievances only sends them into the hands of the nutters. The only way to avoid the no deal nightmare (either now or in the future), is to change their minds, it always has been.
Counter insurgency 101: You can’t change the minds of the radicalised, you can only change the minds of those on the fence. You then kill the leadership and as many grunts as possible and destroy their supply and communication infrastructure.
Dealing with brexiteers is no different to fighting a counter insurgency (apart from the killing).
Oh and I have no idea where people got the idea their lives are shit, it’s a lot better than everyone else’s. The minimum wage as a proportion of the median income is one of the highest in the world and has only been getting better.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47699571
Stop infantilising the working classes and encouraging their ethno grievance-mongering.
Wow that is scary and sad in equal measure, how have we got to this place?
I was asked this morning at breakfast how much money it would take me to betray my country, with the inference being that there was a state actor behind the scenes of Johnson's actions paying him off.
Ok, it seems almost common knowledge that the man is a narcissist that wanted the top job and was willing to do anything to get it, who has lied and was paid a boat-load of cash to spout inflammatory opinion by a tabloid broadsheet, but do you really think that he is being paid off to the tune of millions by a nation state to weaken the EU, or is this a purely disaster capitalist move?
Whilst I'm sure BoJo will benefit financially from Brexit I think he's in it mostly for the power trip of being PM and having lots of people fawn over him. The people wielding the real power behind the scenes are the ones that will be making millions.
but do you really think that he is being paid off to the tune of millions by a nation state to weaken the EU
I think a lot of finances for the Brexit campaign came from American and Russian sources, and that bojo is aware of that, he is happy to allow those foreign interests to influence UK policy so that he will profit in other ways, and doesn't care that it damages the UK as a whole. Think of it as the Blatter blueprint for his actions in FIFA.
https://research.hks.harvard.edu/publications/getFile.aspx?Id=1686
Little support found for economic grievances driving brexit, it was much more about culture and immigration - driven by those with more populist-authoritarian attitudes.
Ties in with the paper I posted a while back on the current wave of western populism being driven by ethnic grievances.
I am shocked, truly shocked that Daz is completely wrong on this being about the noble left behind working classes.
To be fair, Dazh is mainly focused on his class war against those his prejudice assumes are middle management IT professionals whom form the elite of the UK state. So give him some slack. You can’t expect him to have a total grasp on why everyone voted for, or against Brexit.
or is this a purely disaster capitalist move?
This is indeed a disaster capitalist project, but this is just the beginning of it. Think of Brexit as the starting gun for their project.
Once outside the EU and no longer covered by the protection offered by the ECJ, The ECHR and EU environmental and workers rights, it's open season!
When they talk of a 'bonfire of red tape' they're not kidding. They want to tear up workers rights and environmental standards in a race to the bottom. They also want to torch 'the post-war settlement' completely, privatising the NHS and doing away with 'the state' so that all it does is award contracts for the most basic of public services to private suppliers.
This will then enable them to slash taxes for corporations an the rich to essentially turn the country into a tax haven, handily placed off the coast of the EU. As far as workers rights are concerned we'll become a regulation-free sweatshop economoy
To do this they must create chaos. No matter what they say (in public), they know a No Deal Brexit will provide just that.
Just look at the players involved. Those who are determined to see Brexit At All Costs. This is a long term project to re-shape our society completely which will do away with the European social democratic traditions and make us a mini-US.
Obviously, the top 1% (Johnsons mates) will make unimaginable sums of money out of this. The whole thing about shorting the pound to make billions is just the beginning. For the super-rich, Brexit will be the gift that never stops giving
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Crispin Odey is going to be very happy
I read an news article on him over the weekend where he tried to shoot down the notion that he was not looking to profit from the pound/ business failing post Brexit. His defence was based on his hedge fund having 50.2% of the book based on long positions, and only 49.8% was taking a short position 🙄
i guess dazh will be along soon to help us deal with that one
Nope. I ignore shite like that, and I don't know why everyone else doesn't. TBH if you think that sort of rubbish is representative of the wider leave supporting group then you're as much at the extremes of this argument as they are. The culture warriors are all as bad as eachother as far as I'm concerned, and for some entirely bizarre reason the normally sensible majority are giving them the attention they want.
Dazh is mainly focused on his class war against those his prejudice assumes are middle management IT professionals
I am a middle-management IT professional so I've no idea where you've got that from.
I was chatting yesterday with a guy in the village I like. He rides bikes has done a few LEJOGs since he retired a bit early, is starting an open university course in environmental studies and most importantly had a custom tourer built locally and road the Tour Divide last year. Top bloke.
Turns out he is very probrexit.
I'm amazed and find it hard to process. As we were in a public social situation I didn't start an argument, but blimey.
I'd be quite interested to meet people like that - hopefully, they'll be able to help me understand why they think that way.
I cannot see any good reasons to leave, but he perhaps can, and might help me understand why so many people think it will be good, rather than "just wanting it over.
Where do I look for those opinions, because I confess to being in a bit of a remainder bubble...
His defence was based on his hedge fund having 50.2% of the book based on long positions, and only 49.8% was taking a short position
To be fair, to a simpleton like me, isn't that the definition of hedging?* If No Deal happens, his shorts do well, his longs don't, and vice versa?
*I am not a fund manager, so shoot me down with your knowledge-based answers!
Odey is still repugnant, obvs.
Johnson in 2016:
There will be no border in Ireland
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-35692452
Johnson yesterday:
There will have to be a border in Ireland
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-49890199
I'm more impressed with the lead story on the BBC. Finally! A story accompanied by a nice picture of good old Boris, rolling up his sleeves, sitting in front of his Apple Mac (TM) computer, drinking a nice mug of tea (with his picture on the front), looking just like an ordinary bloke from down the road, I mean that's the kind of ordinary guy I can get behind on this whole thing, he seems just like you and me, he knows what's what with this country and what we want.
BBC impartiality my arse.
His "plans" for a different solution to the irish border are being shot down in flames before they have even got across the channel
Quelle surprise.
C'est de la merde, possiblemente.
This whole thing has been a farce. They're running down the clock to no deal. They know they can't just sit there doing nothing, as that would be too obvious. So they're putting a series of unicorn-based nonsense before the EU, to be immediately rejected
This has the added bonus of these rejections all help reinforce their 'it's not us, it's them, being all unreasonable and punishing us' narrative
The Brexiteer morons will lap it up, obviously
Liz Truss is on Five Live giving it just that narrative at the moment, and saying 'we will definitely be leaving on the 31st... blah... blah... blah'
She's a very, very bright lady. It's nice to know such fearsome intellect is at the heart of government
unicorn-based nonsense
It's not a unicorn....
Finally! A story accompanied by a nice picture of good old Boris, rolling up his sleeves, sitting in front of his Apple Mac (TM) computer, drinking a nice mug of tea (with his picture on the front), looking just like an ordinary bloke from down the road, I mean that’s the kind of ordinary guy I can get behind on this whole thing, he seems just like you and me, he knows what’s what with this country and what we want.
For balance, they should surprise him with the cameras while he's porking some dodgy associate on a bed covered in taxpayer cash.
Conference week is always a free hit for the party concerned because the BBC have to cover goings-on, and the party controls the environment for the footage they'll need to do so.
I cannot see any good reasons to leave
There are loads of reasons to leave. They may not seem good to you but that is subjective and depends on what you see as worthwhile or not.
For example controlling Freedom of Movement is a good reason to many people. The fact very little would change afterwards is irrelevant, the control aspect is important to them.
Add up all the reasons people have and you can see why they voted leave. They may not have done cost/benefit analysis or looked at it in depth but people don't typically do that.
If you have a democracy and let people vote that is the risk.
Once outside the EU and no longer covered by the protection offered by the ECJ, The ECHR and EU environmental and workers rights, it’s open season!
Point of order, the HCHR is nothing to do with the EU other than having the word "European" in its name.
(The image at the top of the page is wrong too - treason hasn't been punishable by death for a couple of decades now.)
Interesting point raised today by gina Miller
the european withdrawal act specifically prohibits any north south border controls. so If Johnsons plan involves any which it would appear to do then its open to legal challenge!
I was asked this morning at breakfast how much money it would take me to betray my country, with the inference being that there was a state actor behind the scenes of Johnson’s actions paying him off.
Ok, it seems almost common knowledge that the man is a narcissist that wanted the top job and was willing to do anything to get it, who has lied and was paid a boat-load of cash to spout inflammatory opinion by a tabloid broadsheet, but do you really think that he is being paid off to the tune of millions by a nation state to weaken the EU, or is this a purely disaster capitalist move?
All of the above.
Being generous he never intended to win the referendum, he got promoted based on incompetence and has had the help of powerful (and probably dangerous) masters.
The more help he receives the deeper in debt he becomes.