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Good news - we might be able to get rid of another bothersome woman! Probably another tory-lite narcissist!
This will ABSOLUTELY help get rid of the tories.
Both parties are now run by (Unelected) extremist zealots who will tolerate no dissent from their terminally narrow world view
All talent, ability, free-thinking and intellect is being forced out for insufficient loyalty to the glorious leaders
Look at both front benches. Barely two brain cells to rub together between the lot of them. They’ve never had an original or abstract thought in their heads
Two rows of intellectually bankrupt nodding dogs
the LibDems have, under Swinson, lurched further right than much of the Tory party
Really?
They've housed a handful of Tory moderates (well by Tory standards) for the sake of stopping the hard rights Brexit
Good news – we might be able to get rid of another bothersome woman! Probably another tory-lite narcissist!
This will ABSOLUTELY help get rid of the tories.
Even more self harm on the way
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1170406731773616133?s=19
All talent, ability, free-thinking and intellect is being forced out for insufficient loyalty to the glorious leaders
So on the one hand we have:
Tories under Johnson whose office has directly suspended the whip for those who dare vote against him making them ineligible for reelection.
Labour under Corbyn whose office hasnt done such a thing but instead whose individual constituency parties are given the choice of saying that they want someone to reapply.
Comparing the two is either stupidity or deliberate misconflation. Which is it?
They’ve housed a handful of Tory moderates
You are ignoring her own pretty right wing policies although the use of "tory moderates" is debatable. They have had several people quit the party including their LGBT chair since they dont really want to be in the same party as Phillip Lee.
Amber Rudd just quit
Also a 3rd poll out today...
Tories have 14pt lead !
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1170427559517048834?s=19
Even more self harm on the way
Not really. Context, as ever, is important.
Momentum seem to have a policy that they do want the opportunity to (re)select the MP each year.
Since they want it as routine process it therefore doesnt really mean much without knowing more about that momentum group.
Generally with regards to this reselect process it doesnt really seem a unreasonable request.
The tory party, for example, require this to happen although for reelection its just the committee voting rather than everyone.
Considering its the local party who go out campaigning it seems fair that they should get a say in who should represent them. I can see why some MPs parachuted in and who then try to have sod all to do with the locals might not be overly keen but then that gets into the question about what the parties are all about and who has the power. Should it be the central party able to drop people in at will or should it be ground up? Both I think have advantages and disadvantages.
Just because Corbyn is conducting his purge in a less dramatic manner than Johnson doesn’t make it any less sinister or insidious.
Both the intention and the end result are the same
The quashing of dissent
And, as a country, we can already see how much worse off we all are for that
So 4 polls from the last day
Averaging them out that gives the Tories a 50 seat majority
The only poll that shows a post 31st election flips it the other way , Tories 50 seats short
Just because Corbyn is conducting his purge in a less dramatic manner than Johnson doesn’t make it any less sinister or insidious
One with stealth the other one with "glory" but both achieve the same result.
Both the intention and the end result are the same
The quashing of dissent
Ahh ... you just edited while I was posting.
Yes, agree.
And, as a country, we can already see how much worse off we all are for that
Yeap! All the politicians retire with their fat pension at the end of the day.
The comments on Rudd's resignation tweet make this place look like a bastion of sensible debate...
Just because Corbyn is conducting his purge in a less dramatic manner than Johnson doesn’t make it any less sinister or insidious.
I would ask you to explain your knowledge of how Corbyn passes these secret orders down the chain especially when it comes to whether it will work for any strong pro EU MPs given momentums position but lets face it you are making stuff up arent you? You have no better idea than me.
A far better comparison for Johnson would have been Blair and, to a less extent, Cameron both of whom were rather keen on parachuting candidates in from central office to ensure loyalty. More of a long term plan but its fascinating you dont decry that.
Johnson's 'death by a thousand cuts' continues.
How many more sensible, reasonable senior tories need to walk before the realisation dawns on the rest that they're dying on their feet?
Kimbers - don't get hung up polls; there'll be another one soon to contradict the previous one and will continue ad nauseam.
Would the tories seriously consider any sort of agreement with the brexit 'party?
That would surely end them as a credible political party.
Your Blair analogy falls down when you consider that he had on his backbenches the most serially disloyal MP in the parties history. Or any party. By a country mile!
No moves were ever made to deselect him, make him stand for compulsory annual reelection of gag him in any way
What was his name again? I forget...
Scruffy bloke with the beard...
John Mann just quit labour to become the Tories anti-Semitism tsar
Labour hard Lefties cheering on twitter, but it's a PR coup for the Tories, just when they need one 🤪
Your Blair analogy falls down when you consider that he had on his backbenches the most serially disloyal MP in the parties history
As you yourself managed to notice, although incorrectly, there are less dramatic ways to pack the party with loyalists. Blair used those to the extreme.
As for those disloyal votes. Its rather educational to see on how few of those occasions he was voting the same way as the tories.
Labour hard Lefties cheering on twitter, but it’s a PR coup for the Tories, just when they need one
Wonder how soon he will go.
On the one hand it is definitely a propaganda coup on the other, although I suspect rather strongly related, it would mean one less hard brexiteer voting with Johnson (think it was only him and Hoey who went against the votes this week from the opposition).
I'll bet Cummings is fuming
He's famously tight with the the mail, sun, telegraph etc
I'm sure he had a big reset planned for next week in tomorrow's papers
Now Rudd's blown that up!
I think what danny is saying is that it’s not fair that decent, respectable and upstanding middle class people like him are not having it all their own way any more or being paid the attention they deserve.
Would sir like curry sauce or gravy with his shoulder-mounted chips?
Must be quite a weight to carry around, maybe that’s the reason behind the inferiority complex? I can’t help you with that, so sorry.
All the people I referred to voted Remain and were aghast at the result. All would probably vote for a vaguely credible Labour leader.
He was being disloyal to the leadership. Which he was tolerated in doing, year after year
That gets you deselected under his party leadership now
That seem right to you?
I’m seeing the word....
Hypocrisy
Wonder how soon he will go.
Not sure, once he's said he's joining the Tories can't imagine he could stick around !
Tbf the Rudd news will eclipse it so shouldn't be too bad !
Will the news of Mann joining the Tories get rid of that strop-on face Boris has in that photo used on the BBC today? 😆
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49618242
The best news he has had this week!
Mann to Tories, Rudd leaving.
Maybe it’s time for MPs to reshuffle to better suit the new division lines?
Honestly though, some Labour voters drive me mad, anyone who’s not a hysterical socialist is the enemy, there’s no consideration, no tolerance it’s us verses them and everyone else is a varying degree of ‘Tory’. change the record. You’re your parties worst enemy.
If you want to change the U.K. you need to represent the views of the majority, not try to impose what you think it best on everyone, it doesn’t work like that.
That gets you deselected under his party leadership now
Bless. Do you really think he would have been deselected by his local party given that the majority of the times he was rebelling he was voting in line with traditional labour values. I assume you have managed to get beyond the simple soundbites and looked at those issues he rebelled on. If that is too hard for you just look at the top level figure of:
votes against government but with tories.
votes against government and against tories.
Again, you’re analogy breaks down when you consider the difference in the super-rapid way Alastair Campbell was dealt with, yet Kate Hoeys serially voting with the Tory’s raises no censure at all, because she’s a Brexiteer ‘fellow traveller’.
You believe if he wasn’t the accidental leader that he wouldn’t be voting the same way as her?
Of course he would
Please don’t try and maintain this is anything other than a (selective) purge
It’s quite obvious what it is
He’s doing exactly the same as Johnson. Let’s not pretend otherwise
#onelesstory
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Has Angela Smith gone to the LDs now as well?
Sorry guys just a quick question?
The Labour MP that's just quit, it's moved to the Tories??
Was going to edit, but I'll leave the "it". Lol
Momentum Camden meeting on Monday to discuss trigger ballots against Keir Starmer and Tulip Siddiq
Momentum seem to have a policy that they do want the opportunity to (re)select the MP each year.
If Starmer gets deselected before the general election, the Labour vote will go into freefall.
Yes, a Tory-lite narcissist
Most of the country are “Tory-lite”, in the eyes of some people.
If Starmer gets deselected before the general election, the Labour vote will go into freefall.
100% agree
We had local labour canvassing us today, had kids in the car and bikes on the back , they kept saying how they were for the future
I told them i liked many of their their policies but Brexit was a big factor
My wife was a bit grumpier
Definitely a great idea, at this particular juncture, to deselect the only member of the Labour front bench who looks even vaguely competent
Most of the country are “Tory-lite”
Given election results over the years, it’s sadly a pretty safe conclusion. I was born under Thatcher and I’ve not seen a left wing government yet
...oh, and that Momentum vs Starmer thing? Seems questionable as 1) that tweet seems to have disappeared, 2) the only mention I can find via google is a random reddit thread, and 3) no mention on Momentum Camden’s Facebook page
Fake news?
If Starmer gets deselected
Starmer isn’t going to get deselected. Calm down FFS. If it happens I will join you in condemning the local party but it won’t happen.
It’s quite obvious what it is
Yes of course it. Not that just possibly your raging hatred of Corbyn makes you effectively unable to think. Just look at the long list of times you pronounced with absolute certainty Corbyn would do x,y, or z and then looked an absolute idiot when it didnt happen.
I wouldnt give a toss apart from the danger of saying it is the same as what Johnson is doing. By doing that you are playing right into the hard rights playbook.
Ruddy hell it gets worse, like rats from sinking ships
Given election results over the years, it’s sadly a pretty safe conclusion
Or, more accurately, the FPTP system makes a small number of constituencies and people within them overly important.
The problem with chasing those voters is whether or not you assume the core constituents are always going to remain with you. No point gaining the few if the rest end up demoralised and giving up on politics or voting leave in a referendum just because they feel so badly failed by government.
The Starmer thing really is entertaining. Paying cursory attention to the political pages, outside of brexit, would give an idea of what is going on. Although admittedly there is a load of guff there with binners level of outrage and unthinking frothing.
Tory requires the MP to be reselected by the committee
Libdems require the MP to be reselected by a vote of the local party
SNP requires the MP to be reselected by a vote of the local party.
Labour didnt until now where it is an option.
Since it is now an option the mere listing of it on the form really doesnt mean anything. It doesnt mean they want to kick someone out it just means they are exercising the right, as used in other parties, to decide whether they want a candidate to remain.
Just to reiterate. Near enough every other party if you look at their meeting minutes would have this appearing every few years and, just to take Starmer, given how pro EU momentum are do you really think they would go after him at this stage in the game?
Of course I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Whereas, on the flipside, I suspect if Hoey hadnt already said she was going I suspect her party would be booking rather more time for it. In fact she is a good example of why people pushed to be moved in line with the other parties. Parachuted in by central Labour against the wishes of the local party who has gone on consistently to fail to represent them but they couldnt do much about it without deserting the party.
It doesnt mean they want to kick someone out it just means they are exercising the right, as used in other parties, to decide whether they want a candidate to remain.
Nice doublethink!
The people I work with are sensible, reasonably engaged about Brexit and know that the Conservatives caused all this. There are four of us who are fairly good friends.
In past times, when the world was halfway sane, we would all have been described as moderate conservatives. Two of them now say ‘Boris Johnson is a total stroker and shouldn’t be anywhere near power, but I CANNOT vote for Jeremy Bloody Corbyn – terrorist sympathizer and clueless dithering twunt’.
Well, your sensible friends seem a bit dim if that’s their take.
Nice doublethink!
ermm how? Remember I addressing the credulous frothing that automatically assumes that just because its on the list means they are voting for reselection.
It is amazing this is being turned into such a big deal for Labour when it is ****ing routine for most other parties. Its either people being wilfully ignorant considering how little effort it takes to have a clue or deliberately distorting information.
It is rather the manner in which it is being used and to what ends. As you well know.
It is rather the manner in which it is being used and to what ends
Okay. So how is it being used and to what ends. Lets get past the conspiracy theories and the binners level delusions.
Are you trying to claim that they will be deselecting Starmer and co?
What makes Labour so bad and evil compared to all the other parties.
Getting back to Brexit, it’s always good to get the Irish viewpoint, and Fintan O’Toole in the Irish Times has been one of the most interesting commentators.
Apparently Boris goes to Dublin tomorrow. I can’t see his travails getting any easier there.
The vices that led Johnson to the top are useless when it comes to wielding power
It doesnt mean they want to kick someone out it just means they are exercising the right, as used in other parties, to decide whether they want a candidate to remain.
I’ve read this three times, and would love someone to explain it to me. So the process isn’t automatic (as it is in other parties) and must be triggered… but those triggering it don’t want to change the candidate, just have the chance to vote not to change the candidate? Is that the logic?
Okay. So how is it being used and to what ends. Lets get past the conspiracy theories and the binners level delusion
So, why exactly would they want to do it at this particular time? (If the story is true) It's a bit like the Boris line of: "It's perfectly normal to prorogue Parliament. This has nothing to do with Brexit"