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Someone gets it. Trump is rubbing his little hands together so fast that we’ll soon be covered in his glee.
Bojo and Trump's mates at the helm of Haliburton and Academi and Pfizer and whatnot are the real glee spoogers. They'll soon be enjoying the benefits of a Singapore style zero-transparency zero-tax zero-hours zero-rights corporate environment to house their company operations in.
The other thing that galls, is the irony of people like Rees Mogg (remind me, son of a newspaper owner, co-founder of Somerset investment fund, earned 7 million from that since the referendum?) being painted up as men of the people, heroes who are sticking it to the man, by the Brexit lot, is just unreal. These guys have all been born with a silver spoon literally shoved so far up the arse it has fallen out their mouth, and they have never expressed a genuine syllable of care for the country, its future or its people.
I despair at the populace of the UK being taken in by it all.
The terrifying thing is, these lunatics aren’t just trolling us all, you can see that they actually believe this shite. They really are that detached from reality
The really terrifying thing is that they've made huge swathes of the ordinary, largely ignorant, punters believe it too.
I watched the news last night and it was full of man-in the street vox pops of pensioners saying ......"Good on ya Boris! Give us what we want!"
The new Brexit World Order:
Take back control... by shutting down parliament
Respect the will of the people... by avoiding any future referendums
Control our borders... by having no plan about our only land border with the EU
Increase free trade... by leaving the worlds largest free trade area
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength
The terrifying thing is, these lunatics aren’t just trolling us all, you can see that they actually believe this shite. They really are that detached from reality
Some do, some dont. Where Rees-Mogg lies I am not sure. He has certainly shown himself completely capable of putting aside any principles to make some cash.
In breaking news well done to Lord Young for displaying some principles and resigning. Time to see if any others follow.
Rudd has already been busy dodging when asked about her quotes against prorogation.
Bojo and Trump’s mates at the helm of Haliburton and Academi and Pfizer and whatnot are the real glee spoogers. They’ll soon be enjoying the benefits of a Singapore style zero-transparency zero-tax zero-hours zero-rights corporate environment to house their company operations in.
And in another demonstration of how far through the looking glass we've come in the last 3 years, one of the main cheerleaders of the Brexit that will enable this corporatist, tax-dodging, workers-rights-shredding, neoliberal playground has been the leader of the countries biggest trade union, Len McClusky. Surely now the dictionary definition of the term 'useful idiot'
Apparently a no deal Brexit will massively strengthen the union
Yes, of course it will, you haunted ****ing pencil. The Irish and Scottish will be massively more predisposed towards Westminster once the government has driven their respective economies off a cliff.
Expect Devolution to reverse. Powers will be transferred back to Westminster. Other Governments/Assemblies will be suspended.
Exactly… there is more than one definition of “strengthen the union”. Taking powers from the devolved bodies, destroying all Ireland cooperation, stopping votes on independence… all could be seen as moves to strengthen the union, even if very unpopular outside England.
Bojo and Trump’s mates
Putin is also laughing his tits off at this point (in between firing up the troll army to pour shit into peoples heads via Facebook/Twitter).
Dad is a Scot, hoping that’s my way out (or my way in I guess) in a couple of years
It shows what a sorry state of affairs we have when we're clinging onto some utopian belief that Scotland would become the poster child of the EU and prosper. Have you read the GERS detailed analysis and actually ignored the spout of bo-lax from the SNP who have run the country down ? See if you live here, you can see the split between rich and poor even more evidently than ever. Independence is an answer to a different question, what Boris and his marey bunch of publicly educated, rich cronies are doing is self serving nonsense. But, that sadly is what we voted for in the majority-maybe.
There seems to be an awful lot of frothing on here about something that was entirely predictable. All the outrage about subverting democracy rings a little hollow when the remain side of the argument has been trying for 3 years to overturn the result of a referendum which hasn't yet been enacted. This was the inevitable result of the failure to reach a compromise, and if we do leave with no deal (which I still don't think will happen), then the continued efforts of the remain side to stop brexit will share as much responsibility as the rightwing nutters. This is what happens when you decide to go for all or nothing.
Anyway, I predict May's deal with be resurrected and passed at the last minute, and then an election will be held with Boris claiming the middle ground and victory over both remainers and the ERG. The threat of no deal has never been to get the EU to change their minds, but to change the minds of MPs, and it'll probably work.
All the outrage about subverting democracy rings a little hollow when the remain side of the argument has been trying for 3 years to overturn the result of a purely advisory referendum which was short on facts and scrutiny.
FTFY HTH
Anyway, I predict May’s deal with be resurrected and passed at the last minute, and then an election will be held with Boris claiming the middle ground and victory over both remainers and the ERG. The threat of no deal has never been to get the EU to change their minds, but to change the minds of MPs, and it’ll probably work.
Agree
From abroad it seems the reaction to BJ antics is a lot stronger than anticipated??
Not so hopeful of a miracle deal from BoJo here. As soon as he offers MPs a vote on anything he knows it will be amended, and that carries the risk of his plan being derailed. Though it's true that starting a new parliamentary session overcomes Bercow's objections to bringing forward the WA again, so this could be part of a cunning plan.
I've never felt so utterly devoid of any voice in how my country is run. And that's from someone who lives in a seat that's so safe you could pin a blue rosette on a traffic cone and it'd win with a landslide.
FTFY HTH
Still banging the 'it was only advisory' drum? Pointless straw-clutching I'm afraid, and that argument was lost a long time ago.
Johnson wants (needs) to win over Brexit Party voters so he can call an election and give himself at least five years as PM… what kind of Brexit gives him those votes? That’s all you need to be looking at now… the fig leaf of looking for a Deal is essential to keep his MPs on side… (and arguably to defuse any legal action) …a deal that is opposed by the ERG frothers and Farage is not going to happen though… it might get through Parliament, but it would mean Johnson’s premiership is short lived… he’s planning on staying around longer than that.
that argument was lost a long time ago
No, we are still in the EU because the referendum was advisory, and it is down to government and MPs to take us out of the EU, if and when it happens. The referendum advised them to take us out… it had no actual effect other than to inform politicians what the public wanted. All Brexit legislation relies on government and MPs to interpret and act based on the result of the referendum… it enacted not a single thing directly.
This is the first thing I have ever written down on this and I’m planning on it being the last.
I was and am a remainer, even though I know the EU has its problems I believe we are stronger in that out and I was very pissed when we lost, but I came to the conclusion that even though some people seemed to based their leave vote on lies and half truths, we still lost and therefor we do have to leave.
The list of people I blame for the result is very long and there are many ifs and buts, but the vote was democratic and that’s that. That said, I will say say I said to everyone who would listen, that Northern Ireland was going to be the sticking point in any negotiations. I’m old enough to remember the “troubles” and have no wish to see them return and just for that reason alone I believe we should have never voted to leave.
We have negotiated poorly, it should have been a cross party team, with agreed goals. This would have given us some sort of strength at the table. But everyone, on all sides has only been interested in petty politics and point scoring and doesn’t give a shite about the rest of the country. The EU can clearly see the devisions and it would seem they have always know we couldn’t get any deal or a no deal through parliament, so they have held all the cards from day one, well played by them I say.
If I’m being honest my hope was we could get a good deal, although I never for a minute believed it would be “the easiest deal in history”. I secretly hoped a case could be made where we could have a vote on it, but even that feels a bit of cheat.
I’m forever an optimist so I’m going to try and look on the bright side. Although not remotely a fan of Bj, I think what he’s done is pure genius (im not sure if it’s by design or he has just stumbled on it), he has scared the hell out of everyone and I mean everyone that a no deal can now happen and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it... other than work together and find that solution before we leave. I’m hoping it focuses the hell out of some minds.
If (and it a big if) we do leave with no deal it will be a bumpy ride (a really bumpy one), but do we really think there will be civil unrest, mass food and medicine shortages. Please note I have a very poorly son who has 4 medicines that he relies on to control his seizure, so as they say “I have skin in the game”, I can’t see it. His mum works in pharmaceuticals and she’s not worried either.
I am worried about some things that could happen, yes, but as in life the stuff you worry about very long rarely happens, it’s the stuff you never saw coming that hits you full in the face at 3am. So it’s not worth worrying about.
If it goes south and the politicians really screw it up, there are millions of real people with jobs and businesses who will be looking for real solutions on day one and in them I have complete confidence in.
It shows what a sorry state of affairs we have when we’re clinging onto some utopian belief that Scotland would become the poster child of the EU and prosper. Have you read the GERS detailed analysis and actually ignored the spout of bo-lax from the SNP who have run the country down ? See if you live here, you can see the split between rich and poor even more evidently than ever.
So much toss in one post. It's difficult to know where to start.
Not so hopeful of a miracle deal from BoJo here.
It won't be a miracle deal, it'll be the one already agreed, and it will be passed with support from Labour. No doubt there'll be an tsunami of Corbyn-the-brexiteer hysteria on here afterwards, even despite the fact everyone's been calling for him to do whatever it takes to prevent no deal.
Why would Johnson, Raab, Mogg etc push through the existing Withdrawl Deal now?
do we really think there will be civil unrest, mass food and medicine shortages.
"do we really think" there will be medicine shortages?
There already are.
Why would Johnson, Raab, Mogg etc push through the existing Withdrawl Deal now?
Raab and Mogg won't, but Johnson will. At this point in time he relies on the ERG for support, that will not be required if he can pass the WA and claim to have done his job in taking us out as promised. He'll cast himself as the sensible one who did what was necessary to get it done, he'll have broad popular support in both his party and the country, and he'll be able to go into an election against the defeated remainers, safe in the knowledge that the ERG will support him over the prospect of a Corbyn govt.
It won’t be a miracle deal, it’ll be the one already agreed, and it will be passed with support from Labour.
Oh Christ! I agree with Daz on something again. I'll be going veggie next! 😉
I suspect (and hope) that this is all a ploy for Johnson to bring Mays deal at the eleventh hour, with some flowery words from the EU about the backstop and it'll sail through.
Where we disagree is that I can still see Grandad trying to whip his MPs to vote against it, as he really is that stupid, and ... you know... red unicorns when he's PM and all that.
But I can also see enough of his MPs telling him to stick it and vote with the government to overcome the Lexiteer/ERG alliance
This is what I'm hoping anyway, as this looks infinitely preferable to any of the other options out there. And surely even Boris must know that a no deal Brexit will see the Torys out of power for a generation
EDIT: John McDonnel has just stated that the Labour party will not support any Tory Brexit deal. Not just that they won't support 'No Deal'. They won't support ANY tory deal.
So much toss in one post. It’s difficult to know where to start.
Go on, indulge yourself.
If Johnson now accepts the Withdrawl Agreement, and gets it through Parliament… and we then have a General Election during the transition period… the Brexit Party are here to stay, and Johnson’s premiership is over.
Where we disagree is that I can still see Grandad trying to whip his MPs to vote against it
I don't think he'll whip, it'll be a free vote, and he himself will probably abstain in order to hold together the two sides of the party.
the Brexit Party are here to stay, and Johnson’s premiership is over.
Doubt it. They'll say it's done and dusted, the majority will breathe a sigh of relief and the brexit party will be sidelined just like UKIP were with their fringe no deal obsession.
the vote was democratic and that’s that
I disagree. Democracy is not a guarantee of the best outcomes.
there are millions of real people with jobs and businesses who will be looking for real solutions on day one and in them I have complete confidence in.
Most small businesses are run by people who are just good at the thing they do (e.g. raising sheep). Most big ones can just move out. If it goes south the government will have to step in in a huge way, but that will take shit loads of money (that we will be less and less able to find), a will to take control of things (which Tories don't want to do), and competence (which is in severe shortage currently).
I don't see it going well.
but do we really think there will be civil unrest, mass food and medicine shortages
The government's own assessments say there will be.
there are millions of real people with jobs and businesses who will be looking for real solutions on day one and in them I have complete confidence in.
Lovely sentiment. However real people and real jobs have to comply with the laws and regulations of the country or countries they deal with. This is a good example:
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1164870815764140032
EDIT: John McDonnel has just stated that the Labour party will not support any Tory Brexit deal. Not just that they won’t support ‘No Deal’. They won’t support ANY tory deal.
Source? I can't find anything on the google.
Source: it was on the radio… World at One… Radio4… not on iPlayer yet.
I’m pretty sure the Withdrawl Agreement would get 50% +1 votes in Parliament now… with Labour MPs supporting it… even without the Labour front bench supporting it (some would though) but it’s not in Johnson’s interest to try that now. No Deal unites the Conservative & Brexit Party voter base and gives him five years to try and make Brexit ancient history before his second general election as PM.
Source? I can’t find anything on the google.
Just interviewed on the World at One on Radio 4. Stated repeatedly that they will not support ANY Tory deal, then went into the usual red unicorn bollocks, and demanding a general election
Like yesterday never happened
****ing cloud cuckoo-land, the lot of them squatting in their bunker. As self-serving as the Tory's.
So much for the thin hope that some reality might have entered proceedings and , god forbid, some cross-party co-operation going on?
Hopefully, despite their myopic leadership, a few labour MPs might be a bit more pragmatic
Dear sweet Mary mother of God.
Quick, move them deckchairs around a bit more.
If our economy really does tank post-no-deal-Brexit and the Brexit supporters lose their jobs etc. they’ll easily be ‘persuaded’ that the EU is where they should be directing their anger and not at BoJo.
Maybe I’m wrong
You’re not wrong. Except that they won’t require ‘persuading’. They already were persuaded. Furthermore - tanking economy and disastrous unemployment levels won’t just be blamed on the EU, but yet again on immigrants, descendants of immigrants, ‘lefties’, the sick, those with disabilities, benefit-claimants, etc. History is repeating.
I can't see the existing WA agreement getting passed now, even with some rewording. BoJo has stated many times publicly recently the backstop had to go, if he'd just wanted to get the EU to accept some fudged language over it but fundamentally accepting it needed to remain in the WA he wouldn't have painted himself into a corner in public.
He knows he's finished as PM if he accepts the WA with the Irish backstop and he only cares about himself so there's no chance he will.
Given there's no plan B that allows the backstop to be removed from the WA and if they couldn't figure one out in 3 years with some semi-competent people looking at it our current bunch of idiots have no chance.
I'm guessing BoJo actually sees no deal as the only way he survives, if he can blame it all on the EU an gain populist/Nationalist support as a result (taking it away from the Brexit Party) then it might be enough to actually get re-elected. I can't see what other chance he has apart from surviving a VONC and carrying on with in government with no majority.
won’t just be blamed on the EU, but yet again on immigrants, descendants of immigrants, ‘lefties’, the sick, those with disabilities, benefit-claimants, etc.
Bojo might even include the Scots and the Irish (Remoaners, the lot o'them) in order to 'strengthen the union' through removal of devolved powers and a dash of good old fashioned oppression (i strongly hope this is as far fetched as it appears btw).
Just received a travel Warning from work.
Looks like it's going to kick off from tomorrow.
This alert affects United Kingdom
This alert began 30 Aug 2019 13:35 GMT and is scheduled to expire 31 Aug 2019 23:59 GMT.
Event: Anti-government protests
Location: City centers (map)
Date: Aug. 31
Impact: Heightened security, localized transport disruptions; scuffles possible
Summary
Anti-government activists plan to protest in urban centers across the UK, Aug. 31 against the government's plan to suspend Parliament in the run-up to the Brexit deadline day Oct. 31. Participants will gather in city centers. The following protests are confirmed and likely to cause significant disruption:
Glasgow: George Square, 1400
Leeds: Leeds Town Hall, 1100
Liverpool: St George's Hall, 1200
London: Downing Street, 1200
Manchester: Cathedral Gardens, 1200
Newcastle: Grey's Monument, 1200
Nottingham: Brian Clough Statue, 1100
Sheffield: Sheffield Town Hall, 1100
Additional protests will take place in other cities throughout the country with varying levels of participation. Police will deploy to monitor and facilitate the protests. Large numbers of people and associated crowd-control measures, including road closures and movement restrictions, may lead to localized transport disruptions. Public transport near protest venues are likely to experience heavier than usual congestion, and certain routes may be canceled or delayed. The protests are likely to be peaceful, though isolated scuffles are possible should pro-Brexit counterdemonstrators attend the events.
Background and Analysis
The UK is scheduled to leave the European Union, Oct. 31. The UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, has stated his intention to comply with this date whether or not a deal has been reached regarding the future relationship between the UK and the EU. Opponents argue that the government's decision to suspend Parliament Sept. 9-Oct. 14 is undemocratic as it limits Parliament's ability to influence the Brexit process. Further demonstrations are likely in both the run-up to the suspension of Parliament and the scheduled Brexit date.
Advice
Avoid the demonstrations as a routine security precaution and to mitigate associated disruptions. Leave the area at the first sign of a confrontation. Allow extra time for travel in the vicinity of city centers hosting protests Aug. 31. Check public transport schedules for disruptions.
Bojo might even include the Scots and the Irish (Remoaners, the lot o’them) in order to ‘strengthen the union’ through removal of devolved powers and a dash of good old fashioned oppression (i strongly hope this is as far fetched as it appears btw).
Oh I don't know.
I think one thing thats pretty apparent is that Dave was right about one thing - Dominic Cummings really is a psychopath.
Given that after 3 years of what had already felt relatively bad anyway, suddenly everything's changed and is now potentially apocalyptic, and things previously unthinkable are now just par for the course.
So with that lunatic pulling the strings and Boris as his sock puppet and nominally PM, being cheered on by the ERG headbangers, christ only knows where we'll end up
scuffles possible
superb
Anyway, I predict May’s deal with be resurrected and passed at the last minute, and then an election will be held with Boris claiming the middle ground and victory over both remainers and the ERG. The threat of no deal has never been to get the EU to change their minds, but to change the minds of MPs, and it’ll probably work.
Rather reliant on Corbyn not imposing a THIRD 3 line whip....
So, I’ll give that option the square root of FA possibility of coming to pass!
‘Anti-Brexit remoaners resort to rioting after Johnson’s masterstroke’
(In before the headlines)
The slowest car-crash continues. The actual drivers are untouchable, remote, smiling. This crash shall assure their gilded dream-retirement package, another on top of the ones that they already had.
Rather reliant on Corbyn not imposing a THIRD 3 line whip….
So, I’ll give that option the square root of FA possibility of coming to pass!
Already scotched by John McDonnel earlier today. And not just that, ANY Tory deal will be 3 line whipped against.
Its Magic Grandads Fantasy Red Unicorns Brexit or nothing. Even if that means crashing out with no deal (which we all know is what Corbyn really wants anyway)
Anti-government activists plan to protest in urban centers across the UK,
I dont really get this obseesion with city centres- if you actually wnated to cause disruption, clearly the thing to do would be to blockade the motorways... turning Kent into a car park as sugested will happen in case of no-deal would be particularly effective
Basically, The Big Boris Fan Club says they think its a spiffing idea to stick it to the hun smash the opponents of democracy stop the competition from talking about your plan (and possibly, horror, deciding it is a bad one).