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Bojo might even include the Scots and the Irish (Remoaners, the lot o’them) in order to ‘strengthen the union’ through removal of devolved powers and a dash of good old fashioned oppression (i strongly hope this is as far fetched as it appears btw).
Populists need enemies they can blame for their country's problems. If Scotland decides to become independent, partly due to the current mess, a vindictive populist like Johnson is guaranteed to paint it as The Enemy That Is Undermining Glorious Britannia. While Scotland and the rUK would already be reeling from the shocks caused by Brexit, Johnson would do his damnedest to ensure that independence is as damaging to Scotland as possible. His supporters would love him for this, despite hating the EU for having in their eyes been so cruel and unfair to the UK during the Brexit talks.
I'm not trying to paint this as a reason not for Scotland to become independent, more to point out that it would not be a way to quickly escape the current insanity.
Already scotched by John McDonnel earlier today.
God I'm confused. You and almost everyone else on here have been moaning for months that Corbyn hasn't been remain enough, now you want him to support leaving with a shit deal? Make your bloody minds up! 🙂
We're crashing out with no deal Daz. Grandad is continuing to do all he can to support the Boris/ERG position, while making the odd vague, half-arsed comment to some other effect to try and make us think that not whats he's doing
We're really not that stupid though
We’re really not that stupid though
Of course not. A genius like yourself sees through all these cunning plans and immediately responds with childish insults and hilarious screenshots.
I was wondering when you would resume normal service as a useful idiot for the hard right by spewing your hatred of Corbyn everywhere whilst the brexiteer elite get on with their pillaging.
In an ideal world he'd have some sort of plan to actually get this extension and a second referendum, or something like that.
Seeing as that seems to have zero chance of happening, I think I'd take 'going for the WA' as a completely crap second best. It's more remainy than no deal.
But, no, it's red unicorns or bust, apparently.
Ergo, bust.
But, no, it’s red unicorns or bust, apparently.
A cursory check shows it isnt but hey ho why let the facts get in the way of things.
I was wondering when you would resume normal service as a useful idiot for the hard right
You've actually just perfectly described your hero
Only there would be no 'resumption needed. When it comes to the EU he's been very consistent and perfectly fulfilled that role for about 40 years.
And he's no sign of stopping now.
Dominic must be absolutely delighted with his little beardy ally
We’re crashing out with no deal Daz.
I don't think we will. Maybe it's blind optimism but I seriously think it won't happen, either because the opposition parties will stop it, or because May's deal will be passed with some minor alterations to the backstop.
Boris can't go with the wa. If he does he is finished.
It is going to be no deal or new extension if opposition can work together.
Grandad is continuing to do all he can to support the Boris/ERG position
When will the penny drop about Corbyn’s strong dislike for the E.U.?
Every single vote since 1975 that’s counted he’s voted AGAINST the E.U...& enforced TWO 3 line whips (since the ref - A50 & WA)...both of which it can only be said has only helped us to where we are now.
Whose really the useful idiot for the right....?
It is going to be no deal or new extension if opposition can work together.
It's going to be no deal or no Brexit. Unfortunately the former is written in law.
So, when this no-confidence vote coming then? Shouldn't the grownups all be having a nice chat, setting aside their usual differences and asking Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman to take over as PM and Deputy?
The slowest car-crash continues. The actual drivers are untouchable
the drivers have ripped off the steering wheel
https://unherd.com/2019/08/dominic-cummings-is-no-chicken/
the method to their madness
enforced TWO 3 line whips (since the ref – A50 & WA)…both of which it can only be said has only helped us to where we are now.
You're assuming that whipping the other way would have made a difference! If you head back to your simulator and try again I think you'll probably find that whatever he did we'd still have been screwed the same way.
The only good thing to come out of any of the is that the papers have started referring to those trying to stop prorogation as 'the rebel alliance'.
I don’t think we will. Maybe it’s blind optimism but I seriously think it won’t happen, either because the opposition parties will stop it, or because May’s deal will be passed with some minor alterations to the backstop.
Well you've been wrong about everything 100 percent of the time so far.
So no deal it is then.
You’re assuming that whipping the other way would have made a difference! If you head back to your simulator and try again I think you’ll probably find that whatever he did we’d still have been screwed the same way.
We will never know for sure will we? But if he was such an ardent Remainer & the ONLY choice (as some claim....) available for reversing Brexit.....why the F did he do it??
They don’t strike me as the actions of a man whose pro-Europe.....rather the opposite in fact.
That guy writing about Cummings.
A genuinely interesting read for those that skipped it. Frankly,a bit scary too.
You’re assuming that whipping the other way would have made a difference!
What would have made a difference is not instructing his MPs to abstain on the the two amendments brought by Joanna Cherry to effectively take no-deal off the table.
They didn’t even do that, they just sought to give Parliament the final say in the final hour to reject no deal if the Government sought to force it on the country. Why Labour didn’t vote to remove such power from a Tory PM, and give it to MPs as a whole, is utterly beyond me.
Anti-government activists
What? You mean "people"?
Just received a travel Warning from work.
Looks like it’s going to kick off from tomorrow.
Woohoo! I have an "excuse to work" from home but more like going to the pub early. 😅
Me anarchist friend will be protesting as he told me in advance and asked me to join, told him no free pints no join.
I need pints on Friday. 😀
Can't help but admire your principles chewy.
There seems to be an awful lot of frothing on here about something that was entirely predictable. All the outrage about subverting democracy rings a little hollow when the remain side of the argument has been trying for 3 years to overturn the result of a referendum which hasn’t yet been enacted.
More stinking bullshit.
We never voted for a type of brexit, that debate was to come after. Instead May and Corbyn enacted A50 and we are to get either Mays or Bojos brexit.
There has been no real democratic debate or accountability since the start of this. It has not been remainers stifling debate, it has been Mays government, the ERG and Corbyn stifling the debate.
You are disingenuous to the point that I suspect you are a brexiteer troll.
Can’t help but admire your principles chewy.
They are me friends but politically we are far apart 😂
I would join them if they pay me in pints but they wouldn't 🤣
As far as I know either way PM BoJo will come out smelling like a rose.
If he got a deal "all" the remainers will support him.
If he got a No Deal then "all" the leavers will support him.
It looks like PM BoJo got us all! 🤪
You are disingenuous to the point that I suspect you are a brexiteer troll.
+1
It has been a good run, though. We have gone from ‘working class lad done good who still has the ear of the common people’ through ‘pragmatic socialist’ and most recently ‘constructive-destructive eco warrior’. The chameleon-like changes have been gradual enough not to attract attention easily. Between threads of argument rather than within them.
We’ve had the occasional provocation too, usually when a reaction hasn’t been forthcoming immediately. Comparing the EU to a dictatorship at one point, claiming the EU won’t actually allow anyone to leave the most recent casting of the hook.
A bit of deflection too (this will all seem like a storm in a teacup compared to climate change). Despite it being bleeding obvious that MORE international cooperation is the only way effective climate change action will come about.
Admirable in some ways.
You are disingenuous to the point that I suspect you are a brexiteer troll.
+1..
Stand back everyone. Jeremy has written a strongly worded statement.
I do love a good statement
Ken Clarke / sky
The former chancellor, who is the longest-serving male MP in the Commons, said he would be prepared to support the Labour leader if it meant stopping Britain leaving the EU without an agreement in place at the end of October
Cue: Magic Grandad, gardening, useless unicorns, blah, blah, Monty Python, waffle, impossible, never going to happen, no deal, mushrooms, blah, hysterics, Rory Stewart, sailing towards no deal again, disaster capitalism, Marxists, Corbyn, Brexit lover..
Ken Clarke’s interviews today have been great… the Channel 4 one had so many cheeky knowing smiles…
What was the rest of your post about?
Oh, I especially appreciated him openly calling the Conservatives now running the government “English Nationalists” again and again… sums up exactly what the wider political battle is now about. And he’s right.
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Oh, I especially appreciated him openly calling the Conservatives now running the government “English Nationalists” again and again… sums up exactly what the wider political battle is now about. And he’s right.
Absolutely. Since Brexit became a fully fledged religion it's been pretty clear that Scotland and NI...hell the Union in general, is inconsequential to many Leavers. Particularly Tory Leavers.
I think they are indifferent to Wales particularly as we might need to reopen all the coal mines for the new steam powered HS2.
Absolutely. Since Brexit became a fully fledged religion it’s been pretty clear that Scotland and NI…hell the Union in general, is inconsequential to many Leavers. Particularly Tory Leavers.
I think they are indifferent to Wales particularly as we might need to reopen all the coal mines for the new steam powered HS2.
Won’t we need the engineers from Scotland, you know, like in Star Trek?
^^ Possibly but Scotland as a whole doesn't seem to be docile enough these days. Might allow them in on a strict points based system and pledge of allegiance to the Blond Wizard of London.
I suspect you are a brexiteer troll.
i can genuinely guarantee that I’m the very opposite. I’m still as pro-remain now as I was in 2016, Even more so given everything that’s happened.
But of course anyone who refuses to join in with the hysteria and snobbery must be on the other side right?
But of course anyone who refuses to join in with the hysteria and snobbery must be on the other side right?
This is right from the alt-right/far-right playbook, anyone who takes issue with the derangement of democracy is an elitist snob - at the same time anyone who disagrees with you is anti-democratic and opposed to the will of the people.
So you either out of ignorance or naivety, believe in your frankly dangerous world view or you are an alt-right troll.
He's deleted this tweet now from June.
how many people have already re-teeted it?
If nothing else, the guys in charge are red-hot, nothing gets past them.
https://twitter.com/SteveBarclay/status/1166765868891725825
Given that some of that industry have ensured the flow continues by placing both ends of it within the EU, that's quite some genius on display there.
how many people have already re-teeted it?
where do you look, Titter ?
how many people have already re-teeted it?
where do you look, Titter ?
Bra-vo