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I was wondering whether they are centre centre right or right centre left.
What is the point of that McDuff beer article? It takes a logo being rejected for using a hashtag (small bit of boring news even to political anoraks) and then goes off on an empty headed tirad against the new party. I'm not planing on voting for them, and they may not be around for long… but that journalist is an utter waste of column inches.
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I was wondering whether they are centre centre right or right centre left.
So are they.
It is just an opinion piece. Although quite why daz thinks this would alter anyone's attitude to voting for them is a question only he can answer.
This may have already been posted, and I am sure it just confirms what many already know. But strange that this is still being ignored by both main parties leadership, even when it is clearly known about.
Looks like the less Brexity members of the labour party are getting pretty exasperated with Jezza's nonchalant Brexit-enabling.
Tom Watson - Labour can’t defeat Nigel Farage by sitting on the fence
My feelings have been that a lot of people voted to leave, they didn't know how they were leaving but their vote should be respected.
That video above shows that no respect whatsoever is due to the referendum result. Respecting the result is an assault on democracy.
Tear up article 50 and tell the leave puppet masters to **** off.
My Remain resolve is strengthened even more.
Tom Watson looks like the man for the job. I don't care about his dodgy past. We can worry about that at our leisure once we are back in the E.U.
Waht Toxic Grandaa was actually saying in that photo was
" Look , if you want to have a meeting with 14 people round a table, can we please be provided with a table that seats 14 , not 10."
Although quite why daz thinks this would alter anyone’s attitude to voting for them
Because deapite it’s ranty style it speaks a simple truth that despite their name, they plan to change very little, have no original ideas and lack the competence which they claim is absent from the two main parties they seek to defeat. It beggars belief that people might be taken in by this vacuous rubbish.
Well, the replacement logo is even worse. I know we're not looking to elect designers… but they must have someone who understands messaging. It doesn't fill you with confidence, does it… but then, look at past logo fun… a red rose that turned off non-English voters… a green tree that morphed into a Union Jack when green issues were dumped with great haste… a child on board window hanger… a vague bird… can anyone point us to a good (UK) one?
Boris Johnson's sister is standing for the Tiggers. With Rees Moggs sister standing for Farages Brexit lot, all it really does is stress even more - like we needed reminding - that politics in this country is pretty much a closed shop, which is the exclusive domain of the 'born to rule' entitled elite
Did Johnson's dad get on the list for the Tories? He said he was putting himself forward.
I have to agree on the remain vote splitting that is going on with the EU elections. It's seems real lack of understanding of basic arithmetic.
eu elections are list PR elections. splitting of the vote does not occur in the same way as with FPTP. one party with 40% of the vote will get the same seats as two parties with 20% each.
Yes its a bit more complex than that but with the voting system in place for euyro elections then thisa effect does not happen. IIRC thresholds for representaton in euro elections is under 10% of the vote
So long as you remember to put the tories in last place!
Did Johnson’s dad get on the list for the Tories?
I think he failed. One Johnson was enough. Maybe he should have gone for Labour or the Lib Dems instead. Let them benefit from this great family.
One Johnson was enough.
Well...
THEGUARDIAN.COM And Boris & Jo's sister Rachel is also campaigning:
all it really does is stress even more – like we needed reminding – that politics in this country is pretty much a closed shop
Don't be silly.
Go and live in Saudi Arabia for a bit, you might learn what a closed shop really is all about.
There us a massive amount of nepotism in UK politics, whether the oxbridge eating clubs on one side, or having worked for the same law firms on the other. But if you want to pretend otherwise and shout "look a Saudi squirrel" go ahead and ignore the problem.
COMPARE THE NUMBER OF ETON AND OXBRIDGE mpS TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. GOING TO THE RIGHT SCHOOLS AND BEING IN THE RIGHT UNI SOCIETIES PLAYS A HUGE PART IN BECOMING AND mp - ESPECIALLY FOR THE TORIES AND LIB DEMS
effing capslock -sorry
Go and live in Saudi Arabia for a bit, you might learn what a closed shop really is all about.
Rarely post here but just feel the need to say this post is particularly stupid.
Beautifully formatted text and a lump hammer name in one ill-conceived logo.
Think they've got an identity crisis too.
At least UKIP had a pound sign even if it was two of the most awful colours ever put together.
Terrible logo, black and white.
Also looks like a non functioning bar code.
Polarising with no substance, much like thier members I suppose, so not entirely inaccurate.
I wonder how much they payed some trendy design company to come up with that.
Graphics might be rubbish but at least they're pro-EU rather than the labour party.
I guess they're Black Flag fans.
They may be pro EU, along with the greens and LD's
But by failing to join forces, for a unified position in the EU elections, they are basically guaranteeing the EDL/UKIP/brexit will gain more MEPS and they'll only get a scatter of votes each.
Same old crap. Same old 'party before best interest'.
Anyone heard how the Tories and Labour "joining forces" has progressed today? Talks were supposed to resume, but I've heard nothing.
Farage's Brexit Party is strategically miles ahead of any of the remain groups, candidates a major break from his UKIP past.
Anyone heard how the Tories and Labour “joining forces” has progressed today? Talks were supposed to resume, but I’ve heard nothing.
I read an article that was basically ground hog day.
Tories saying Labour being difficult whilst not budging.. Same shit different day.
Credit where it's due, UKIP always had the best colour branding. Vote purple.
Black is a shit choice for Change but really, what else was left? The Austin Allegro's Russet Brown?
Maybe Change should have just called themselves EUkip , stole the logo and hoovered up all the ****wits who can’t read.
Farage’s Brexit Party is strategically miles ahead
Given the criminal behaviour of Leave.EU last time around, lets hope it's being carefully watched.
To be fair to them, they know their target demographic
They may be pro EU, along with the greens and LD’s
But by failing to join forces, for a unified position in the EU elections, they are basically guaranteeing the EDL/UKIP/brexit will gain more MEPS and they’ll only get a scatter of votes each.
This is not true unless they get below the representation threshold which I very much doubt. all that will happen is you get the same number of MPS pro and anti but they are split between different parties.
Euro elections are PR. You get representation according to the number of votes. Its not FPTP take all
Euro elections are PR. You get representation according to the number of votes.
It's not that simple in the D'Hondt system. If the minority party voting is split, and comes in under a certain percentage, they get nothing.
INFACTS.ORG I see Trump will be in town to sign the Trump Treaty. Mike Ashley has been secretly funded by the CIA to buy up all the businesses that are going bust so that they can be turned into gun shops. Have you seen how knife crime has suddenly spiralled out of control? All perpetrated by the CIA so that us proud patriots will want to buy US guns to protect ourselves.Farage and Mogg have already bought massive shares in Colt.
Buckingham Palace is going to be renamed Trumpington Palace ,the queen kicked out and it turned into a casino.
South of the M25 will become the 51st state, above that to Scotland is Islamshire where all the U.S undesireables will be housed and tortured . Scotland will become trump's personal estate .
UK soccer will have the offside rule removed as none of god's patriots can understand it.
The BBC will have to have 30 minutes of adverts every hour.
Unemployed people will be shipped to the US to be butler's for republican voters.
Please share these facts on Facebook.
yes Torso - there is a theshold but its fairly low. IIRC about 6%
One important consequence of the d’Hondt system is that any party with too few votes goes away empty handed, winning no MEPs in that region. The minimum number of votes to get an MEP in a region depends largely on how many are up for election. In the last elections in 2014, 8% secured an MEP in the South East where 10 MEPs were chosen, but 18% was needed to get one in the North East where only three were elected.
Higher theshold than I remember
Of course this splitting of the vote is also on the leave side with 3 leave parties ( ukip. brexit, tory)
Of course this splitting of the vote is also on the leave side with 3 leave parties ( ukip. brexit, tory)
And Labour.
And Labour.
I still think we're hearing nowt out of the Tory's or Labour on Brexit as they're presently engineering getting a barely altered 'Mays Deal' through so that the EU elections never happen. Which is the one thing that unites them both, for pretty obvious reasons
The leaders of both parties want Brexit and when push comes to shove they'll deliver it. Maybe there will be a nod to some kind of customs union, but I think Magic Grandad will ultimately go along with anything that will enable Brexit and whip his MPs to do the same. Or attempt to, at least. He's done so at every critical stage so far
If you're in any doubt about labours commitment to Brexit, the labour housing spokesman is presently on Five Live re-stating, in no uncertain terms, labours determination to end freedom of movement. Apparently, all the present EU construction workers are immediately going to be replaced by young locally-recruited apprentices
Give it a rest chaps. Labour is NOT a brexit party. Its a badly split party but the weight is on remain as you well know.
Mays Deal - again as you well know is only the withdrawal agreement not the final shape of our relationship with the EU - and Labour have very cleverly positioned themselves so that the talks with the tories will collapse and the tories can be blamed.
Labour is NOT a brexit party. Its a badly split party but the weight is on remain as you well know.
A vote for Labour was/is/will be a vote for "respecting the result of the referendum" - Brexit.
The leadership, such as they are, are all life-long committed Brexiteers. We've been over this countless times, but at every single critical vote Corbyn has whipped his MPs to facilitate Brexit
"We are NOT a remain party"
Barry Gardiner