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What trade relationship would we have developed (could be similar to what we have in EU), what immigration policies would we have (again could be similar to what we have in the EU) etc,.
Alternatively, we could all be speaking German by now.
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could be similar to what we have in EU
A timely reminder that we shaped the EU, especially as regards the creation and extension of the Single Market, and the expansion of our trade area to the East. We are not passive hangers on (yet)… so what we have in the EU now simply wouldn't exist if we hadn't been central to its creation.
Also, this smacks of…
" all the benefits of, but not a member of " nonsense that Conservatives and Labour alike have either utterly misunderstood, or used to mislead us, over the last few years.
damn turks coming over ‘ere stealing our building jobs
I'm actually working on a site in Central London run by a Turkish main contractor right now and all the staff there seem to be Turkish.
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Well it looks like the TIGgers have got their shit together and are now an official political party who remainers can vote for in the upcoming EU elections, should they fancy
I can only see one result of this: The Tory's and Labour will now ensure a stitch-up to get Mays deal through as the leadership of both parties would much rather this than no Brexit at all, and they both know they will be decimated in any EU elections. So I reckon they'll both whip their MP's (or at least try to) to get this through in time to make sure that we're not participating in them, possibly with a couple of token amendments chucked in
Nah, Labour will expect to do very well in these elections… and I suspect they are right… most voters, understandably, won't have a clear view of their Brexit policy… but feel it can't be as bad as May's or those in her party that seek to replace her. There are people who post here that still think Corbyn wants a Soft Brexit, or supports a referendum if he becomes PM… and they are probably far more in touch with what has actually been said by key politicians and their staff than the average voter.
The Conservative party on the other hand…
good thing about the elections is that the parties will have to write something on paper that is pro-EU which will come back to haunt them.
although if either/both get a drubbing there may not be that much impact as the general election is a long way off yet and the papers will just ignore the EU elections when the GE comes round.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/16/how-may-miscalculated-the-brexit-numbers-game
Good summary of the misreading of the situations all the way
That would prove a point if the US did not have cheap labour available to them
Not necessarily, the US is not homogeneous. Immigrants will go to places with lots of work. This particular place was a dull quiet place with low immigration and a static workforce. They can't get people in from New Mexico just to look after the park.
You've never seen a stump grinder in use in the UK? Most people can't be bothered to remove them I suppose, and they are pretty lively bits of kit.
Not necessarily, the US is not homogeneous.
The US doen not need immigration for cheap labour, it has its own citizens for that, working 53 weeks a year and paying their own healthcare. It might be good for the ones in nice jobs it's fairly shit for the others.
Worth a watch, Carole Cadwalladr (pullitzer prize finalist along with the NY times OR mad cat lady according to "not a sexist" A.F. Neil) at TED. HERE
Also worth a watch, Channel 4 news last night. HERE
Jon Snow says theres more to come from Channel 4 this evening.
If only there were some talking points or themes that the official opposition in the UK could use to highlight why Brexit might not be our best interests.
Ho Hum.
Has everyone been enjoying the brief re-emergence of normal pre-Brexit life?
Where you can actually turn the news on and you're not immediately greeted with Farage or Rees Mogg looking disgruntled, or Theresa Mays rictus grin as she placates them? Or open a news website and read a story that doesn't involve any reference to the customs union or the backstop?
It's coming to something when watching an iconic cathedral burn down is infinitely preferable to the alternative?
eat_the_pudding.... those are interesting videos.
seriously thinking of removing myself from facebook....
Unfortunately Lazy Nigel is being anything but lazy with his campaigning to get re-elected to the European Parliament. So I'm still catching a lot of glimpses of a campaign going on that doesn't appear to have a counter campaign. Where are the pro-EU parties campaigning? Why is Farridge holding rallies when the rest of the political class are taking a holiday, whilst partially distracted by impending local elections?
I fear he may be getting the run-up to the EU Elections that he craves, and there's going to be another "mandate for Brexit" that will be hard to counter.
It turns out that Scotland are polling very well for SNP in the Euro Elections, why did they let themselves down so badly in the 2017 General Election?
The US doen not need immigration for cheap labour, it has its own citizens for that, working 53 weeks a year and paying their own healthcare. It might be good for the ones in nice jobs it’s fairly shit for the others.
Well aware of that, but why does the city pay tens of thousands for a machine instead of paying labourers peanuts?
Well aware of that, but why does the city pay tens of thousands for a machine instead of paying labourers peanuts?
Many reasons, reliability and repeat ability, no need to worry about alchol and drug issues, better long term performance, ROI calcs to show at what point you hit profit etc. deploying the good staff you have somewhere useful
Very true about no counter argument. There's no big backer or newsworthy politicos with a vested interest in the remain side of the argument, Leave is an easier sell as it's something new and the grass is always greener. Even when we've looked over the fence and it's not.
alcolepone,
Yup me too.
I've not been on facebook for long, or for much, but it would still be inconvenient to leave as it just sucks you back in.
But is that any excuse after what they've done?
I just hope that there is some sort of reckoning for political advertising. At this stage a ban on political advertising on social networks would be the best easiest and most effective option.
Theres no real point in getting uptight about the possible implications of the european elections. The parties _can't_ practically work together enough to have a single "remain" vote. But even if Nige wins more MEPs (which he might) its the numbers of voters that matter more.
VOTE!
Point was, for better or worse we’ve spent years slowly integrating more and more with the rest of the EU
Absolutely, we've expanded the docks at places like Felixstowe and closed them in Liverpool, built the Tunnel, etc. Infrastructure changes like that are not cheap to do.
why does the city pay tens of thousands for a machine
Quicker, for one thing, minimises the disruption to the area.
the TIGgers have got their shit together and are now an official political party who remainers can vote for in the upcoming EU elections, should they fancy
They've stated that they will treat the European elections as a proxy referendum.
My mum bought my daughter this lovely cuddly toy in Austria this week. I think it’s the perfect Brexit emoji
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A presentation drawn up by the Home Secretary's Policy Unit and sent to HMRC and the Treasury implies that they think a technological solution - which would aim to keep the Irish border entirely open and without physical checkpoints - is a distant (and likely very expensive) prospect.
Of course the brexiters will, rather than admit that they have again been bullshitted by the likes of the ERG, will take that as justification for not being "trapped" in the backstop.
All the technological border options are limited to managing compliant traffic. They can't stop smugglers or illegal immigrants. Consider that we still have a hard border at Dover with both sides in the EU.
All the technological border options are limited to managing compliant traffic. They can’t stop smugglers or illegal immigrants.
You just killed a Unicorn.
Brexit Unicorn in the wild
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1117516865331396609
Bwhahahah - Corbyns still a brexiteer deep down isn't he judging by the pic! The 6th former just got told!
Is that Corbyn realising that the Demos don't like him and nor do any of the lefty European parties? Who are going to be his mates if he becomes PM, Cuba?
PA: Here is a handy list of Brexit supporting business in the UK.
Feel free to boycott (or support) depending upon your disposition.
List 1
https://www.reddit.com/r/brexit/comments/be60wb/lets_make_a_list_of_brexit_funding_businesses_to/
List 2
https://www.reddit.com/r/brexit/comments/bejsxp/more_brexit_backers_to_boycott/
Mmmm Stonehenge
http://blog.english-heritage.org.uk/excavation-restoration-stonehenge-1950s-60s
May have had a makeover 🙂
Corbyn's body language says it all in that picture. He wants to be our leader? He's going to have to learn to talk to people who don't share his view...
Not that I like Nancy Pelosi that much, her world view has more logical inconsistencies than May. She strikes me as a fairly nasty American exceptionalist....whilst I agree with Israel's right to exist, she has been putting pressure on Ireland for some of their pro-palestinian legislation and at the same time lecturing us about the GFA. She's a careerist and not a nice one to boot, who is trying to please both the democratic Irish and Israeli lobby. Hopefully the Irish and the British realise that the yanks are no friends of either of us, despite their incessant harking on about being of Irish/Scottish/English/Italian stock etc.
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Corbyn’s body language says it all in that picture.
Is there any chance we could stop trying to read body language from a single picture? It's Ed Miliband's sandwich all over again. Except in this case, he just seems to be... sitting?
Here's another picture in which Pelosi looks like she's being told off in the headteacher's office.
Is there any chance we could stop trying to read body language from a single picture? It’s Ed Miliband’s sandwich all over again. Except in this case, he just seems to be… listening.
Very good point actually...
There's the also the case of the Muslim woman who was photographed 'notulantly' walking past the wounded on the Westminster bridge van attack on her phone.
Turned out she was actively helping the emergency services, but it's surprising how the right wing press can take and publish a picture that looks bad when you have a digital camera taking hundreds of burst shots and you can chose one that suits your narrative.
A picture no longer says a hundred words it just says one.
Agreed about that. The whole "look at what this carefully chosen photo says" is always a bum steer.
Interesting how a discussion about "anti-semitism and Islamophobia" alway gets turned into a more vague agreement about "racism" more generally. Even when that discussion is with a Jewish politician being quite specific.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1117535823346524162?s=21
Interesting how a direct challenge about “anti-semitism” alway gets turned into Agreement about “racism” more generally. Even when that challenge is from a Jewish politician.
Yeah, it's one of those blah blah blah DONT YOU KNOW WHAT CORBYN STANDS FOR! moments
Hey some of us are pro peace in the middle east which involves not being a complete dick to other people.
I edited my post to replace "challenge" with "discussion" … but then you quoted my pre-edit words … so I'm now fully expecting to be "challenged" by true believers on my original choice of words, and that's too much effort right now.
Sorry Kelvin just getting in too early, it is like some people are just keeping it ready to bring in at any moment...
Just listening in a ’I'm listening to the words but could not give 2 ****s sort of way?
At least Pelosi meet with the erg and gave that **** Francois a good shoeing over the gfa anyway, according to reports.
Has everyone just given up on this now and we're pretending it never happened?
Hollibobs for em innit, and the cans been kicked further up the road.
We left. On the 12th. Remember? It was on the news. Keep telling the brexiteers that. They'll believe it and we can get on with our lives.
Seriously though, hopefully having a bit of a break from it dominating the news will mean there is less of a push to just get on with it whatever the consequence
A good idea of what a UK - US trade deal would look;
Anyone thinking of voting for Mike Gapes and co should probably have a read of this first 😀