I have no doubt that labour will campaign to "respect the result of the referendum", say they would negotiate a "jobs first brexit" and imply support of a 2 referendum without explicitly committing to it, and probably even send out a few juniors to suggest revoke is possible.
They have certainly learned from Trump, promise everything commit to nothing, let the supporters pick n mix from the contradictions to create their own narratives. Once the voters have made their choice, they will entrench themselves in the belief that they are right despite evidence, all they have to do is keep repeating the contradictions so their supporters can grasp onto the ones that they agree with, despite the evidence of actions.
They have certainly learned from Trump, promise everything commit to nothing, let the supporters pick n mix from the contradictions to create their own narratives.
Yep, and good on them as that is the best strategy these days. Little point in pushing manifestos and more in depth stuff as majority of people will not be looking at it. Even a lot of the politically enlightened on this thread clearly don't read them.
Doesn't make it right but we are past that.
scotroutes
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Anything to be learnt from last night’s by-elections? Leith had 30% turnout which is sort of disappointing given what’s going on. Strong showing by the Greens and pro-EU parties picking up 70% of the vote.
Thats a council by election in an area that is one of the strongest remain constituencies in the UK. I don't think we can read much into that. Labour party issues are different in scotland and ALL significant parties bar greens and tories are complicit in the gawdawful Edinburgh council corruption, incompetence and hubris. I think its more about the performance of the council and edinburgh and Scotland issues than anything that can be extrapolated UK wide
Does anybody have a link to a simple description on what WTO terms would mean for the UK? It’s a term so freely thrown around, I’d like to be able to debunk it.
At least no money was spent or wasted there then...
Just an update from Planet Lexit. I've mentioned before on this thread about the two older blokes who drink in my local who are old school lefties and as radbidly anti-EU as John Redwood. Theirs is truly a strange world
Their take on the last week is that Corbyn has let them down because he should have used the cross-party talks of the last week to demand that we leave with no deal
Like I said... a very wierd old world.
Thanks Mike
and another fantasy job of travelling the UK trolling Farage pops up on my twitter feed
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1116643896933666817
Chris is getting a bit wound up too, given they can't even register their website do you want Farage Sleeping in your bin?
https://twitter.com/mrchrisaddison/status/1116648234678738946
Further to my replay to scotroutes about the votng in the leith walk councl byelection - maybe there are lessons nationally to learn. Trouble is we are now used to preference voting so people are more willing to vote for ther greens . Also therre is no equivalent of the SNP uk wide of course but frm this graphic the changes are quite obvious in this strongly remain area. Pro remain / pro independence parties up and everyone else down
Heavy student population there too, so the demographics are going to be a bit different to a lot of places
Also therre is no equivalent of the SNP uk wide
Eh, there are two. UKIP and The Brexit Party. Four if you count Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein.
Not really.
SNP are nothing like UKIP or the brexit party top trolling or comprehension fail?
Lest see. SNP - remain at all costs. NO hint of anything else.. Higher taxes on top earners, lower on low earners, anti nuclear, Inclusive and outward looking. compulsory purchase of land from large landowners to put it back in the hands of the people who live on the land. Raise the minimum wage dramatically.
all very clearly policies followed by UKIP
There is not a heavy student population in the leith walk constituency.
So it doesn't include all the student accommodation down that way?
SNP are nothing like UKIP or the brexit party top trolling or comprehension fail?Lest see. SNP – remain at all costs
Funny I thought Scotland wanted to leave the UK. At all costs.
Just like UKIP and Brexit want to leave the EU.
Anyway, I think the BNP is ripe for a takeover if you want to take the SNP national with it's own brand of petty nationalism.
Also therre is no equivalent of the SNP uk wide
I think he's referring to being centrist. Aren't they like the LDs?
Mike there isn't much - more is planned but it will be a small % of the population at the moment.
Are you thinking of the big student flats block on picardy place? thats not a part of it. Its a mix of levels of housing from posh to not posh at all with a small block of student flats. Its not like southside
Molgrips - he is just trolling. SNP are well to the left of the lib dems in many ways - left of labour even
Anyone who doesn't understand the difference of the nationalism of the SNP and the BNP really is not worth listening to.
I am sure I read somewhere that students tend to be registered to vote in their home electorate, if they are registered at all. This is due to their age - they become eligible at a time when their living arrangements are short term and transient. It would take an organised and committed student to get on the electoral role at Uni if they study away from home.
Top trolling 5thelefant, not heard you utter shite for a while.....did someone disturb your stone?
It's not top trolling though, is it? Davidtaylforth is a top troll. 5thelefant comes nowhere near that standard. He's actually rather pathetic.
I am sure I read somewhere that students tend to be registered to vote in their home electorate, if they are registered at all. This is due to their age
It will depend on a number of factors, if their parents enroll them etc. when in the elction cycle they turn 18, for these kids they would probably have missed the last GE, if there has been a push to get registrations - good proactive candidates do that they are a good bunch to get enrolled. Seen lots of register to vote things around different uni's recently when I've been passing through
5thelefant may be trolling but the whole "our nationalism is different to their nationalism" thing does make me a bit wary*. After all, politicians have been known to tell the odd fib.
*I live in Catalunya, so have some exposure to left-leaning independence movements.
I'm so confused about how to vote in these local elections. Choice of green, blue and red in Brighton and I know it's not all about brexit and I want anything but tory but if voting for Labour is going to be used as evidence of wanting brexit I don't want to add to that so erring towards green.
Oh **** there's more of them.
Let's join Annunziata Rees Mogg in the fight against the elite.
She speeks for the werking man.
I think Brexit trumps everything at the moment, as its effects will last for generations and its such an irrevercible proposition, which damages us in so many ways
The fact that both major parties seem hell bent on delivering this disaster at any cost, despite the majority of both their MPs knowing it'll be exactly that is absolutely ridiculous.
Half the population have effectively had no political representation for the last 3 years, and given the nature of our FPTP system, little prospect of getting any at any upcoming elections
Oh look - Boris is a liar.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47913555
Wonder how big the 'correction' will be. No doubt it'll be on the front page 🙂 Not.
Annunziata?.........that’s not a ****ing name......it’s a ****ing tropical variant of CJD disease to be treated with fire..... burn it till it’s charred and unrecognisable, then line a 10ft deep pit with quicklime and bury It.
She says she is speaking for the forgotten minority?, anyone who believes that can join her in the pit
Let’s hope the brexit vote gets properly split.
Makes you think...
So the South West has 6 MEPs.
2 UKIP (both heading to Brexit Party). The Party of the common man and one is an Earl.
1 leave Tory.
1 remain Tory now Independent.
1 Labour.
1 Green.
To me the single most important issue is to retain my right to free movement. I'm not going to vote for an ex-tory so Green it is..
I’m so confused about how to vote in these local elections. Choice of green, blue and red in Brighton and I know it’s not all about brexit and I want anything but tory but if voting for Labour is going to be used as evidence of wanting brexit I don’t want to add to that so erring towards green.
Green is a good bet in Brighton isn't it?
Important thoughts on how to vote in the (hopefully) forthcoming EP elections to keep brexity/fargarista parties out. It's not as straightforward as you may think and depends where you live.
I think that confirms that picking Lid Dem in the NW is a good call for me, happy to tick one of the few Pro EU choices out there
I'm in Scotland so the choice is pretty straightforward for me.
If Labour see the chink of light and shift to a PV position maybe choices will becoming easier.
I think that confirms that picking Lid Dem in the NW is a good call for me
Certainly the best bet in my constituency, but then I always vote that way.
So if you vote for a pro EU candidate or a pro Brexit candidate for that matter and they get elected what difference does it make to our daily lives whether we leave the EU or remain??
Maggie would have campaigned for leave if she was there for it. Classic drawbridge puller to protect her own wealth, and the idea that someone else puts the brake on her selfish ambition , nah she'd be against that.
Nick1962. One option keeps me in a job , the other possibly won't.
