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like more seats on trains for instance?
Well Mogg isn't happy, so this is automatically a good turn of events.
ERG chairman and leading Tory Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg has has described Theresa May's statement as "deeply unsatisfactory" and claimed her new approach "lacks democratic legitimacy".
He said: "People did not vote for a Corbyn-May coalition government - they voted for a Conservative government, which became a confidence and supply with the DUP.
"This is a deeply unsatisfactory approach.
"It's not in the interests of the country, it fails to deliver on the referendum result and history doesn't bode well for it."
ah the Moggster and his quaint view of what democracy means, people voted for not enough MP's from his party who then had to beg and bribe their way into power and are falling apart is a better description.
I agree with most of what Cougar has said, except for the notion that there’s an opportunity to kick the can even further down the road,
I said that I thought we'd likely request one. I made no comments as to whether or not I thought such a thing would be granted. (-:
I think I said on about page 200 and again on 1000 (and others probably did too elsewhere).Even Cougar actually agreed and TJ has just said similar now as well.The best we can aim for is a customs type union BUT not the customs union(May's red line!!!) but with the flexibility to negotiate our own trade deals.The current paralysis is largely due to the lack of a majority in the HoC and our FPP system makes our politicians seemingly unable to negotiate across the floor for the common good.IIRC the UK is the only country in the EU that doesn't have a PR type electoral system and that's why the EU think we're bonkers because it's something they manage to do all the time.
A long extention works, cause tbh, the last referendum becomes less legitimate as time goes. so even there's a 2 year extention. It's not really democracy to get held to a vote you had 5 years ago. So there will need to be a revote regardless.
I'm pretty certain this is the road they are taking us down. None of them want the wrath of the brexiters coming back to bit them on the arse. So they'll ultimately put it back. But they need time to legitimise handing it back.
Utter careerists and shitebags, if the truth be told.
Cougar actually agreed and TJ has just said similar now as well.The best we can aim for is a customs type union BUT not the customs union(May’s red line!!!) but with the flexibility to negotiate our own trade deals.
I think for a majority of the population remain would be the best we could hope for actually 😉
As for Customs "Type" Union is that another unicorn?
Yeh. Let a bit of entropy take effect, another 6 months should be adequate to table a retraction.
It's just convincing the EU to extend the deadline... A pointless GE might well buy that time.
As for Customs “Type” Union is that another unicorn?
Time will tell but the HoC came close to supporting the custom's union intheir indicative vote thingy.
I think for a majority of the population remain would be the best we could hope for actually 😉
IIRC their was a big vote about this awhile back wasn't there? 😉
I said that I thought we’d likely request one. I made no comments as to whether or not I thought such a thing would be granted. (-:
I stand corrected!
I suspect that you’re right.
If we don't pass legislation to take part in EU elections by next Friday, we're out on 22 May with no deal unless May's deal is approved
Time will tell but the HoC came close to supporting the custom’s union intheir indicative vote thingy.
That would be the difference between The Customs Union and A Customs union then.
As for the vote it makes no difference how the referendum to kick off the process went, it's how the question would be answered now that really matters - the question everyone is too scared to ask.
On the trap thing that is kind of why it needs to be sorted to pass it with amendments or to send if off properly with legislation.
Of course it's now up to the super sharp Labour A team to deal with this.....
If we don’t pass legislation to take part in EU elections by next Friday, we’re out on 22 May with no deal unless May’s deal is approved
I don't see why that's a big issue from a UK perspective.. Am I missing something? Get extension, vote in EU elections (how very undemocratic lol!).
If our intention is to leave, then voting in EU elections is just a rubber stamping exercise, going through the motions as it were.
Revoke.
Read the link!
It's safe to say the Gammon is nearly done
https://twitter.com/ConorBurnsUK/status/1113136702766411777
https://twitter.com/CharlieElphicke/status/1113135713212563464
https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/1113161192439152641
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1113146069175734273
https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1113143305993420804
From Nicola Sturgeon: if MPs allow 12 April to pass with no commitment to fight Euro elections, May 22 becomes the inescapable exit day...and PM would then be able to say it’s my deal or no deal. Parliament needs to be very wary about a potential trap.
Based on the latest BBC news today you are left with two choices below.
1. Extension (with a smokescreen to revoke A50).
or
2. No deal.
Eventually No Deal will have to be tabled whether the politicians like it or not.
🤔
I have and I'm non the wiser, it sounds like an opinion piece.
I'm no fan of corbyn but I have enough respect for him that I trust he won't be dragged into failure by cross party committee.
If I were corbyn I do what he has said today and be open to 'talk' with May. That's only decent and proper.
Then he can drop her like a hot potato and tell her to own her own problem.
the question everyone is too scared to ask.
I'm not scared to ask ,STW is on the whole a welcoming place for most things.
ah a joker....
So the question they are afraid to ask is do you want this brexit or not?
Based on the latest BBC news today you are left with two choices below.
1. Extension (with a smokescreen to revoke A50).
or
2. No deal.
I'm genuinely supprised (not really) it's taken a BBC article and this long for you to figure this out, lol!
I’m genuinely supprised (not really) it’s taken a BBC article and this long for you to figure this out, lol!
Is it too much to hope to see some gammons crying?
Still too much to go wrong though to be comfortable.
It’ll be a no deal Brexit. There are too many Conservatives that want it and won’t vote for anything else, and too few committed people willing to stop it.
It’ll be a no deal Brexit. There are too many Conservatives that want it and won’t vote for anything else, and too few committed people willing to stop it.
170 Tory MP's signed up for No deal, 191 voted for parliament to be able to bin no deal, so that means a lot of tories need to sign up for no deal. How may will? Some might want to get elected again.
mike I thought you might be transitioning 😉
I didn't want Brexit.
I didn't want a Tory government in 2017,2015,2010 ,1992,1987,1983 or 1979.
I wanted Scottish independence.
My life has been mainly one of defeat and disappointment hence my contrary nature.
Even Cougar actually agreed and TJ has just said similar now as well.The best we can aim for is a customs type union BUT not the customs union(May’s red line!!!) but with the flexibility to negotiate our own trade deals.
I very much doubt indeed that I ever said such a thing. If you think I did then you've either misread, misunderstood or misremembered.
Aside from the fact that I don't believe that that's the best we can aim for (least worst maybe), I don't believe I've ever commented on the notion of "a" union vs "the" union because I think that's of a similar degree of fictional wishful thinking to the 'magic technology' Ireland border.
Have we done this yet?
Two "malicious" devices were left on railway tracks in a pro-Brexit sabotage attempt, police have said.
The items were left on lines near Netherfield, Nottinghamshire, and Yaxley, Cambridgeshire, in March.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47790939
"Yaxley?" SRSLY? 😂
This story popped up on Facebook earlier. Apparently the devices would have disrupted signalling technology that hasn't been in use now for about a decade.
Have we done this yet?
Well they did promise carnage - does this mean we can do a few on incitement?
the one at Eurostar was actually effective, I hope they send him the bill
I have and I’m non the wiser, it sounds like an opinion piece.
The point is that it doesn't matter whether or not May and Corbyn talk, or what they agree unless our parliament passes legislation by end of next week for us to take part in EU elections. If that doesn't happen, May 22nd is the longest extension possible...at which point we leave, with or without a deal. So she has a chat to Corbyn, runs down the clock and comes back to Parliament on May 21 and says "unless you vote for my deal, we leave tomorrow with no deal"...and there's nothing anyone (our parliament or EU) can do to stop it because we can't elect MEPs.
unless our parliament passes legislation by end of next week for us to take part in EU elections. If that doesn’t happen, May 22nd is the longest extension possible
It was said before that arrangements can be made such as extending the terms of the incumbents for a bit.
If that doesn’t happen, May 22nd is the longest extension possible…at which point we leave, with or without a deal.
Deals can be agreed for longer with exceptions etc.
Again if there is a will it can work and we can remain.
I don't know why some people on here don't seem to understand that we won't end up in a no deal situation. There is only minority support for it, and it's completely irrelevant that it's the default option. It's analogous to driving a car towards a cliff then saying it's inevitable that we're going to drive off it; it's not, because the driver still has control of the brakes and steering, and, regardless of how you feel about the competence of the driver, suicide is not a real option.
JP
Guardian has a nice take on today's antics.
ven Cougar actually agreed and TJ has just said similar now as well.The best we can aim for is a customs type union BUT not the customs union(May’s red line!!!) but with the flexibility to negotiate our own trade deals.
Not what I intended to say for sure
Corbyn should IMO stick to the position that labour offered a week or two ago. Support Mays WA ( possibly with alterations to the political declaration for a softer brexit) in Exchange for a second referendum that is between that deal and remain.
the best we can hope for is remain and now there is a very clear path
with both leaderships backing that I am sure it would get thru parliament and of course I believe a second ref would than be strongly remain
when maybot says national unity does she effectively mean half of you need to shut up and get on board...I just read her speech after 7 whole hours ( nearly a full day's work ) she says national unity
Corbyn should IMO stick to the position that labour offered a week or two ago. Support Mays WA ( possibly with alterations to the political declaration for a softer brexit) in Exchange for a second referendum that is between that deal and remain.
Yeah but the feeling of real power might just get to him, I mean his brexit is so close, his unicorns feel so real, he can almost touch their massive horn 😉
It’s analogous to driving a car towards a cliff then saying it’s inevitable that we’re going to drive off it; it’s not, because the driver still has control of the brakes and steering, and, regardless of how you feel about the competence of the driver, suicide is not a real option.
JP
Does that depend upon whether the driver is of sane mind and doesn’t believe that there’s some form of utopia at the bottom of the clif that they’re driving toward?
I don’t know why some people on here don’t seem to understand that we won’t end up in a no deal situation. There is only minority support for it, and it’s completely irrelevant that it’s the default option. It’s analogous to driving a car towards a cliff then saying it’s inevitable that we’re going to drive off it; it’s not, because the driver still has control of the brakes and steering, and, regardless of how you feel about the competence of the driver, suicide is not a real option.
Thats irrelevant when the driver and passengers are fighting over the steering wheel whilst doing donuts on the grass above the cliffs in the the car they got from the showroom with no brakes, because they always really wanted a car with no brakes, and the elderly bearded mechanic that could help you out by fitting brakes is of the long standing opinion that brakes are also not required
She's been banging on about "bringing the country together" ever since she became PM. It can't be done. Parliament has to do what is best for the country as a whole, which basically means what's best for the economy and to hell with what people voted for.
“Yaxley?” SRSLY? 😂
I know.. PMSL.. Terrorism isn't funny.. But this.. It's pretty ****ing funny, if this is the extent of the Brexiteer coup. I'm not sure why politicians are so afraid of civil unrest.
It's almost like they are in it for thier own personal financial gain, and pretending there will be civil unrest as a smoke screen. That would make more sense.
Corbyn spells out the Labour position again. Perhaps I fell asleep before he got around to mentioning a referendum…
As for "the driver" applying the brakes… May is on a Thelma&Louise kick, and most of her MPs, members, and yes, probably most voters likely to vote Tory at the next election, will love her for it.
As for “the driver” applying the brakes. May is on a Thelma&Louise kick, and most of her MPs, members, and yes, probably most voters likely to vote Tory at the next election, will love her for it.
Last poll had no deal as 25% Supported 75% opposed, even with the stacked FPTP set up in the UK that is not enough to survive, replace her with a Brexie evangelist and they will get even less.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/explosive-no-deal-brexit-leaked-16062876
A 10% price rise and that means little posh brat might not make it to the right school and the Range Rover sales will fall...
Couple of percent the middle classes can live with, 4-5 maybe not, 10?
Perhaps this is the point the tories split? Labour need to
PS...
and I know we all know that most MP's couldn't GAF about NI but some great leaking going on here
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1113185072037941249
Last poll had no deal as 25% Supported
If it comes down to no deal or no Brexit, what proportion of likely Tory voters, Tory members and Tory MPs would back no Brexit?
Oh. Emm. Eff. Gee.
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